No other superhero movie could compare to Ang's Hulk

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I definately like both movies a lot and i see the comparisons between the two, but i dont think either copied anyone. SR continued what was started and i think it did it brilliantly. Hulk was the most original CB movie to come out for some time and still is.

 

[Cyrusbales]

Dude you seriously need to review the Hulk movie!
I think you do not understand a movie masterpiece and you just go for all the action in an 'action' movie. Well hate to disappoint you, but that's not all the Hulk film was, as Ang Lee has said it was gonna be a greek tragedy kind of plot and he did helm a great greek tragedy-like story.

I can see perfectly what Ang Lee was trying to do, I just think it was a bad way to do it, and also it came off badly. I didn't want an all out action movie, but if you're going to put action into a film, you should at least make an effort to make it look good. If you're going to have super-dogs, make them look non-farcicle and menacing, we shouldn't be laughing at this, if Ang Lee wants to make a tragic film, he shouldn't make it have comic and hillarious creatures. People saying 'you don't understand the movie' is not a valid argument, there is nothing difficult to understand in this film, if you think this film is a masterpiece, I would suggest you need to watch a lot more movies.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Hulk is definately deeper than most other CB movies out there. I like the Dog scene though, thought it was a great action scene.

 

[Cyrusbales]

Hulk is definately deeper than most other CB movies out there. I like the Dog scene though, thought it was a great action scene.

I didn't find Hulk very deep to be honest. It had a really bad script, but Ang Lee managed to bring some good character pieces into it, but there was no convincing enemy, and the whole film was disjointed, considering the slow pace I would have thought it would have more of a narrative.

As for the dog scene.......

 

[Sloth7d]

Meh, I think the original Punisher, Spiderman1 & 2, and batmanbegins were all better.
Actually, I don't like most any Hulk films because none have been made to the potential that they could be.

 

[Lt. Figgnuts]

^i think Singer copied Ang's style, he knew exactly what a masterpiece was.

Come now. It's TOTALLY cool if you enjoyed Hulk. There's nothing wrong with it - different strokes for different folks and all of that.

But I think looking at it from any angle and calling it a masterpiece is a bit much, IMO...

 

[GreenKToo]

I agree about the dog scene.I and alot of other people actually LOL in the theater when the poodle showed up..overall it was a decent movie,and I have high hopes for the sequel.

I can see perfectly what Ang Lee was trying to do, I just think it was a bad way to do it, and also it came off badly. I didn't want an all out action movie, but if you're going to put action into a film, you should at least make an effort to make it look good. If you're going to have super-dogs, make them look non-farcicle and menacing, we shouldn't be laughing at this, if Ang Lee wants to make a tragic film, he shouldn't make it have comic and hillarious creatures. People saying 'you don't understand the movie' is not a valid argument, there is nothing difficult to understand in this film, if you think this film is a masterpiece, I would suggest you need to watch a lot more movies.

 

[Cyrusbales]

Yeah, the new director did wel with unleashed, and the agression on screen will translate nicely into the hulk. I'm glad they're carrying it on, I think Ang Lee was in a little over his head, trying to make it arty and failing miserably.

 

[HULKSTER'04]

Originally Posted by Cyrusbales

I can see perfectly what Ang Lee was trying to do, I just think it was a bad way to do it, and also it came off badly. I didn't want an all out action movie, but if you're going to put action into a film, you should at least make an effort to make it look good. If you're going to have super-dogs, make them look non-farcicle and menacing, we shouldn't be laughing at this, if Ang Lee wants to make a tragic film, he shouldn't make it have comic and hillarious creatures. People saying 'you don't understand the movie' is not a valid argument, there is nothing difficult to understand in this film, if you think this film is a masterpiece, I would suggest you need to watch a lot more movies.

I've seen a lot of films of all genre's. I know the slow pacing of Ang's Hulk was a bit not so likeable for many people(especially if you're used to action movies w/a fast paced theme), but that's wasn't what i was pointing out. Even i myself laughed at the poodle(i thought it was supposed to be funny), i'm suprised you didn't find that funny? I'm saying that Ang's Hulk could be compared to high profile movies, however they failed to market it well or is it that they market it in the wrong way.

 

[Cyrusbales]

I've seen a lot of films of all genre's. I know the slow pacing of Ang's Hulk was a bit not so likeable for many people(especially if you're used to action movies w/a fast paced theme), but that's wasn't what i was pointing out. Even i myself laughed at the poodle(i thought it was supposed to be funny), i'm suprised you didn't find that funny? I'm saying that Ang's Hulk could be compared to high profile movies, however they failed to market it well or is it that they market it in the wrong way.

My major problem with HULK, is that it's very inconsistant, it tries to be emotional and serious, then throws in ridiculous moments that weaken any emotional response. It claims to be an impresssive character arc, yet only advances minimally for most of the film. The action sequences seem very out of place a lot of the time, and the narrative is tragically weak, and considering it's length, it covers hardly anything in terms of story or character

HOWEVER, I'm VERY MUCH looking forward to 'the incredible hulk' and believe it will be a superior film to HULK.

 

[brian]

im confused. at first everybody was mad as hell that they screwed the 1st hulk up. now everybodys ok with it. if anything was screwed up, it was the plot. i think the body of hulk was done very well with cg and all. it was jus the plot that was kinna bad, other than that a pretty good visual flick to watch.

 

[HULKSTER'04]

Originally Posted by Lt. Figgnuts

Come now. It's TOTALLY cool if you enjoyed Hulk. There's nothing wrong with it - different strokes for different folks and all of that.

But I think looking at it from any angle and calling it a masterpiece is a bit much, IMO...

Ummm.... Ang Lee recently bagged the BEST DIRECTOR award from the oscars for doing BROUKE BACK MOUNTAIN, he's a master and generally than not masters usually accomplishes a 'master's' stroke whether in film, plays, or books.

With that i say Ang's Hulk was a masterpiece.

 

[Cyrusbales]

Ummm.... Ang Lee recently bagged the BEST DIRECTOR award from the oscars for doing BROUKE BACK MOUNTAIN, he's a master and generally than not masters usually accomplishes a 'master's' stroke whether in film, plays, or books.

With that i say Ang's Hulk was a masterpiece.

Because the oscars are really well known for being accurate in their selections...

And to be a true master, one needs a consistant high quality, even within short films. Take Ang Lee's short film with Clive Owen 'Chosen'. In a word, it was poor, wheras taking Kar Wai Won's short 'follow', is brilliant(as is every film he's ever made). Consistancy is the key, and Brokeback was clearly overrated due to content, whilst being a good film, it didn't deserve an oscar, and history of violence picking up a nomination??? WTF?

 

[Lt. Figgnuts]

Ummm.... Ang Lee recently bagged the BEST DIRECTOR award from the oscars for doing BROUKE BACK MOUNTAIN, he's a master and generally than not masters usually accomplishes a 'master's' stroke whether in film, plays, or books.

With that i say Ang's Hulk was a masterpiece.

I think your username kind of gives away your bias a bit.

I'm not going to start a debate about Brokeback Mountain, but one could EASILY argue that the film only won because of the 'gay' thing. I can't comment one way or another, partially because I haven't seen the film, but as someone else said, you can't really rely on the Oscars.

You say Ang Lee is a master. Perhaps he is. Even so, with very few exceptions, being a master doesn't make one infallible. Just because Ang has made masterpieces in the past doesn't mean that all of his work is going to be up to par. Some stuff just doesn't work.

Take Frank Miller for example: Sin City is a work of art, but All-Star Batman and Robin sucks.

 

[HULKSTER'04]

^Oh come on? It took nearly 4 years to finish the film, for you to say that it wasn't that good in terms of the hard work that was poured into it!

 

[HULKSTER'04]

Originally Posted by Lt. Figgnuts

I think your username kind of gives away your bias a bit.

I'm not going to start a debate about Brokeback Mountain, but one could EASILY argue that the film only won because of the 'gay' thing. I can't comment one way or another, partially because I haven't seen the film, but as someone else said, you can't really rely on the Oscars.

You say Ang Lee is a master. Perhaps he is. Even so, with very few exceptions, being a master doesn't make one infallible. Just because Ang has made masterpieces in the past doesn't mean that all of his work is going to be up to par. Some stuff just doesn't work.

Take Frank Miller for example: Sin City is a work of art, but All-Star Batman and Robin sucks.

Ok fine, you're right about that.
But i will give much kudos to Ang for the hard work and yeah the all star batman and robin sucks so bad!lol

 

[Lt. Figgnuts]

I can't disagree with you there. I mean, every crew member of even the worst movie is to be commended simply for the hard work and commitment that goes into the project, good or bad.

I do have a desire to rewatch the film now, as I own it on DVD, and perhaps I will when I have time to spare. I doubt my opinion will change much, though...

 

[HULKSTER'04]

^go for it! And long live DEMOCRACY! i don't mind if your opinion doesn't change.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I can't disagree with you there. I mean, every crew member of even the worst movie is to be commended simply for the hard work and commitment that goes into the project, good or bad.

I do have a desire to rewatch the film now, as I own it on DVD, and perhaps I will when I have time to spare. I doubt my opinion will change much, though...

A lot of people who have re-watched it recently have found that they actually enjoyed it, so give it a go.

 

[Cyrusbales]

^Oh come on? It took nearly 4 years to finish the film, for you to say that it wasn't that good in terms of the hard work that was poured into it!

Hitler worked jhard to exterminate the jews, but you don't go "Well he did put in a lot of effort..."

Joel Schumacher could spend ten years making a film, but would it be any good? Time and effort doesn't necessarily make a great film. Someone with one leg, no matter how they practice hopping, will never outrun a world class sprinter, some people just don't have the ability to do some things. And you didn't say whether or not you'd seen Ang Lee's 'Chosen'?

 

[Hugebear]

I can see perfectly what Ang Lee was trying to do, I just think it was a bad way to do it, and also it came off badly. I didn't want an all out action movie, but if you're going to put action into a film, you should at least make an effort to make it look good. If you're going to have super-dogs, make them look non-farcicle and menacing, we shouldn't be laughing at this, if Ang Lee wants to make a tragic film, he shouldn't make it have comic and hillarious creatures. People saying 'you don't understand the movie' is not a valid argument, there is nothing difficult to understand in this film, if you think this film is a masterpiece, I would suggest you need to watch a lot more movies.

But saying "I would suggest you need to watch a lot more movies" isn't a valid argument either. I can also see what Ang Lee was trying to do, and think it was a good way to do it.
It was a good way to make a serious Hulk movie. It wasn't an all out action movie, but the action it had was good. The creatures were not comic or hillarious. It was a good Hulk movie.

 

[Cyrusbales]

But saying "I would suggest you need to watch a lot more movies" isn't a valid argument either. I can also see what Ang Lee was trying to do, and think it was a good way to do it.
It was a good way to make a serious Hulk movie. It wasn’t an all out action movie, but the action it had was good. The creatures were not comic or hillarious. It had flaws but so do other superhero movies.

The problem lies in the detachment from the character. And the creatures were clearly deemed silly, a monster poddle really came as a missmatched piece to the rest of the film. Whilst trying to be an expansive drama, it failed to really offer any level of value or character development. In comparison to other comic book moveis, there are at least five superior, maybe even 10. There is nothing special about this film, whilst it was an interesting direction, it was poorly scripted and executed.

 

[HULKSTER'04]

Originally Posted by Cyrusbales

The problem lies in the detachment from the character. And the creatures were clearly deemed silly, a monster poddle really came as a missmatched piece to the rest of the film. Whilst trying to be an expansive drama, it failed to really offer any level of value or character development. In comparison to other comic book moveis, there are at least five superior, maybe even 10. There is nothing special about this film, whilst it was an interesting direction, it was poorly scripted and executed.

I bet you don't have a slightest problem with batman begins do you? No of course not i can see why, you're a fan of bats and not of nolan's work. I'm a comic book hardcore fan, but i know when movies are done artistically and Ang's take on the Hulk was a dangerous attemp to par it with serious films like legends of the fall or shawshank redemption and the critics didn't accept it quite so pleasantly as other films which BTW was worse written than the Hulk. It became long and tideous to watch coz the story focuses on charcters and their interaction rather than on the action sequences like in the matrix, some people complained that it made them think too much, but if you were familiar with the science of biology you will absolutely enjoy the way that movie trickled you nerves and brain cells.

 

[Cyrusbales]

I bet you don't have a slightest problem with batman begins do you? No of course not i can see why, you're a fan of bats and not of nolan's work. I'm a comic book hardcore fan, but i know when movies are done artistically and Ang's take on the Hulk was a dangerous attemp to par it with serious films like legends of the fall or shawshank redemption and the critics didn't accept it quite so pleasantly as other films which BTW was worse written than the Hulk. It became long and tideous to watch coz the story focuses on charcters and their interaction rather than on the action sequences like in the matrix, some people complained that it made them think too much, but if you were familiar with the science of biology you will absolutely enjoy the way that movie trickled you nerves and brain cells.

First off, not a BB fan at all, or Nolan really, although his brother is a great wrter. Secondly, my problem is not with the action, or lack of or anything. It's the way in which the characters are presented and the lack of development. The choice of actor itself was questionable, altho it's always hard to cast such a well known and loved character. I think a Hulk movie SHOULD be about character, but that the character should be attached to the audience, I felt we were very much a third party and not a part of the events, I wanted to feel with Bruce, and become part of his turmoil, instead it was distant. In terms of directing, Ang Lee actually made fantastic use of split screen montage, however the writing was a let down, and a lot of the time, the whole film felt empty of feeling or spirit.

(Just for the record, I'm not a really a fan of action films)

 

[Mr Jide]

Ang Lee is considered to be as 1 of the greatest movie helmers of our time(i loved his work).
Although it did not made great in the box office for the current measure of success as most people believes, it took the character of the Hulk into a different level of reality and inspired the few who admires the greatness of the arts and literary works. The only thing that made people not like that film as much was because it wasn't the Hulk that we grew up with(not so closely related with the comics), but immagine if the Hulk was a legend like the warriors of Mu dhan in ancient China thousands of years ago? We would have viewed this film differently, i say put the comics aside for a while and see the movie for what it is and then you'll see a masterpiece that no other superhero films could be compared to it.

Unfortunately, I still see it as the piece of movie-making crap that it is. Bring on TIH.