Superman Returns No Supervillians in Superman Returns; A very wise decision.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I dunno. The biggest question about all this is: Does the hero NEED a physical challenge?

With today's CGI.....the fight scenes in SPIDEY 2, between Spidey and Doc Ock, were incredible. So...will people feel cheated out if Superman doesn't have an all out brawl with someone of equal strength?

I dunno.....I think he can still have a successful flick all with Lex carrying the film villiany.....but with films like SPIDEY 2 and X3, which look damn action packed with fight scenes and showdowns...all with superpowered beings anteing up the CGI beef, I dunno....it could be an issue.

 

[Octoberist]

Singer decided to create a very oldschool movie. Very back to basics. When I first heard that it Luthor by himself, I initially thought Superman would be fighting a..robot or something.

I think people today are so saturated by modern comic book movies that they are expecting..more. It's not a bad thing. It's just that the standards now are different.

I think Singer has created a compelling enough Luthor that we don't mind so much that he doesn't have any powers. It's always been the brain vs. brawn analogy with lex...that's why it's great.

However, if Singer decides to include Zod or Luthor again in the sequel, I will cry because there's more to the mythos than those two rogues..

 

[raybia]

I dunno. The biggest question about all this is: Does the hero NEED a physical challenge?

With today's CGI.....the fight scenes in SPIDEY 2, between Spidey and Doc Ock, were incredible. So...will people feel cheated out if Superman doesn't have an all out brawl with someone of equal strength?

I dunno.....I think he can still have a successful flick all with Lex carrying the film villiany.....but with films like SPIDEY 2 and X3, which look damn action packed with fight scenes and showdowns...all with superpowered beings anteing up the CGI beef, I dunno....it could be an issue.

Both Doc Ock and Green Goblin were both intellectual and physical challenges for Spider-man.

Superman should have the same where Luthor in the brains and one of his pawns being the muscle.

If Spider-man has it there absolutely no reason why Supes shouldn't.

This is like owning a Lambrigini and refusing to drive it any higher than 65 mph.

 

[Octoberist]

It doesn't MEAN the movie won't be good. It's just that we won't be able to see certain feats that Superman can do a villian ala the 90s cartoon.

The sequel needs brainaic or metello or whomever. The public are not familiar with the Superman rogue gallery. I think that's why some people think Superman is boring because they think all he has is Luthor. Not true at all.

 

[raybia]

It doesn't the movie won't be good. It's just that we won't be able to see certain feats that Superman can do a villian ala the 90s cartoon.

The sequel needs brainaic or metello or whomever. The public are not familiar with the Superman rogue gallery. I think that's why some people think Superman is boring because they think all he has is Luthor. Not true at all.

Agree

 

[Octoberist]

forgive me for the typos. In a hurry to leave

 

[M.O.Steel]

Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, Spider-Man, Jurrassic Park, The Matrix. Five of the highest grossing movies of all time. None of which are grounded in reality. I'll take a sci-fi/comic approach over a soap opera approach any day.

umm...titanic? gone with the wind? the sound of music? Ten commandments?

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Singer decided to create a very oldschool movie. Very back to basics. When I first heard that it Luthor by himself, I initially thought Superman would be fighting a..robot or something.

I think people today are so saturated by modern comic book movies that they are expecting..more. It's not a bad thing. It's just that the standards now are different.

I think Singer has created a compelling enough Luthor that we don't mind so much that he doesn't have any powers. It's always been the brain vs. brawn analogy with lex...that's why it's great.

However, if Singer decides to include Zod or Luthor again in the sequel, I will cry because there's more to the mythos than those two rogues..

Agreed. I'm a little worried about how audiences will take a comic book movie where there's not exactly a conventional showdown. I do think it WILL work though.

Both Doc Ock and Green Goblin were both intellectual and physical challenges for Spider-man.

Superman should have the same where Luthor in the brains and one of his pawns being the muscle.

If Spider-man has it there absolutely no reason why Supes shouldn't.

This is like owning a Lambrigini and refusing to drive it any higher than 65 mph.

I see what you mean, and although I disagree....I do understand.

The sequel needs brainaic or metello or whomever. The public are not familiar with the Superman rogue gallery. I think that's why some people think Superman is boring because they think all he has is Luthor. Not true at all.

Yeah, most people do think it begins and ends with lex.....but your right, Superman's got a pretty nice rogue gallery. Not as good as Bats, but a pretty good group of villians. Metallo is one that would be incredible onscreen.

 

[Metropolis_Man]

Yeah, most people do think it begins and ends with lex.....but your right, Superman's got a pretty nice rogue gallery. Not as good as Bats, but a pretty good group of villians. Metallo is one that would be incredible onscreen.

I'd definately like to see Metallo and Superman battle it out in one of the sequels. It would be great to see them duking it out on the streets of metropolis.

 

[WormyT]

However, if Singer decides to include Zod or Luthor again in the sequel, I will cry because there's more to the mythos than those two rogues..

I will cry too.

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

I think the ones who are upset (like me) have the "been there done that" feeling. I mean we got this freaky hybrid I call a requel. Its not that I don't want Lex against Superman its that I want more than JUST lex. Superman has an interesting and extensive villain list and we need to see them brought to the screen. And please Singer...we better not get any ****ing "original" villains in the future.

 

[Metropolis_Man]

No more Zod please. Was great in the originals, but I don't want to see it now.

 

[The Guard]

I have no doubt we will see other villains. But you don't just START a Superman mythos telling with one. Luthor is his arch-enemy. It's only fitting that he stand (mostly alone) in SUPERMAN RETURNS.

 

[Metropolis_Man]

I have no doubt we will see other villains. But you don't just START a Superman mythos telling with one. Luthor is his arch-enemy. It's only fitting that he stand (mostly alone) in SUPERMAN RETURNS.

Well said. Its also in best intrest to have him because people are familiar with him as the villain. There will be a lot going on in this movie, and it probably would've taken away from the movie as a whole. As for sequels, bring on Metallo, Bizzaro, Braniac, Parasite, anyone.

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

Well you have to accept that this is a remake to a point. A reintroduction.

 

[dpm07]

I don't know why many people say we need a "reintroduction" or need to be reacquainted with Superman. He's one of the most iconic and mythic figures in popular culture and the 20th century on into the present.

Everyone knows who he is. I've given presentations on superheroes and symbols in culture, and the Superman symbol is one of the most recognizable symbols in the world.

I think when people say that there needs to be a reintroducing of the character to today's generation, it's a cop out. Anyone who has a Forrest Gump intellect would know who Superman is.

Singer chose this particular approach, and I really don't care for his direction based on what I have seen so far with regard to this film. Unfortunately, this is what we are getting. While we could have had more with today's technology or at least something different, we're getting a requel.

 

[NotFadeAway]

I still think New Krypton is better idea than supevillian.

The main question is how Superman will stop NK?

There is no answer. So that is why it looks like very intersting task for Superman.

why doesnt that suprise me....................

 

[CrypticOne]

I was watching Batman Begins again, and I realized how well it works when the villians are real and human. Even Ras, a very magical/mystical based character in the comics, was portrayed in a very real, human manner.

Superman may be an alien, but in this film...hes very human (possibly more real than any previous Superman portrayal)....meaning a non-geek audience of all ages would be able to enjoy the film without being alienated (no pun intended).

I think their approach was right...build up an audience first with a very human movie (bringing Supes back to the bigscreen for the first time in 30 years)....and then break into more sci-fi based comicbook stuff for the future films (supervillians like Brainiac, Metallo etc....)

If we can objectify this decision outside the realm of being hardcore comicbook fans, it does actually seem like a very reasonable and logical apporach for the mainstream audience, who likely arent major sci-fi fans. Everyone (comicbook fans or not) know that Superman's arch nemesis has always been Lex Luthor, and that familiarity will be a good draw for them to see this flick. The great thing is both writers confirmed (via Moviehole.com) that supervillians will appear in the sequels and alot of elements relating to the sequels will be set up in Superman Returns.

So I'm finally convinced this was a wise decision, what do you guys think?

Yeah, I agree with you. It makes more sense and it would be more "human," I think it will attract more audience. Well said.

 

[Eros]

all of superman other villians are nothing when compared to Lex luthor. Mettallo would break his arm if he punched pre-crisis supes[the one in returns], Toy-man [lol],Braniac is a geek in shorts with no motive, and Darkseid no longer serves as a threat to superman in the comics anymore. Luthor is the bread and butter of supes "villians", and he is a villain we all might root for now and then. The public wants to see luthor VS. superman, not superman vs some nobody.

 

[Milkman95]

I don't know why many people say we need a "reintroduction" or need to be reacquainted with Superman. He's one of the most iconic and mythic figures in popular culture and the 20th century on into the present.

Because he's been gone for 20 years? Heck, WB "reintroduced" Batman after only 7 years. Even though Superman is well known, he's not on movie screens.

Everyone knows who he is. I've given presentations on superheroes and symbols in culture, and the Superman symbol is one of the most recognizable symbols in the world.

Okay, so he's recognizable, so what?

I think when people say that there needs to be a reintroducing of the character to today's generation, it's a cop out. Anyone who has a Forrest Gump intellect would know who Superman is.

True, everybody knows OF HIM, but that really doesn't mean much. I know who Da Vinci is as well, but that doesn't mean I know him.

Singer chose this particular approach, and I really don't care for his direction based on what I have seen so far with regard to this film. Unfortunately, this is what we are getting. While we could have had more with today's technology or at least something different, we're getting a requel.

Well, I still believe this was the best way to go.

-Can't do another origin film, we've got it with SV and Donner nailed it the first time. We just had it with Batman anyway.

-Doing a stand alone different film not related to the others probably wouldn't have worked either - too different from what they've seen in the past.

-Having a supervillain doesn't solve anything either - it definitely doesn't guarantee a good film. They can be very corny and ridiculous. Luthor is familiar territory, it was a good move.

 

[Hunter Rider]

-Doing a stand alone different film not related to the others probably wouldn't have worked either - too different from what they've seen in the past.

But no one remembers the past from what you were saying before

-Having a supervillain doesn't solve anything either - it definitely doesn't guarantee a good film. They can be very corny and ridiculous. Luthor is familiar territory, it was a good move.

I agree that Lex should be there but i see no reason he couldn't have had Metallo as his weapon/bodyguard against Superman

 

[Milkman95]

But no one remembers the past from what you were saying before

Well, Luthor is on SV, he's familiar. He was also a central character in the Animated Series. I wasn't specifically talking about Hackman's Luthor........

I agree that Lex should be there but i see no reason he couldn't have had Metallo as his weapon/bodyguard against Superman

True, but that's too "Nuclear Man" for my taste. It's better off to save the corny supervillains for the sequel - here's hoping Kal-El brings something back to Earth from his travels..........

 

[raybia]

Because he's been gone for 20 years? Heck, WB "reintroduced" Batman after only 7 years. Even though Superman is well known, he's not on movie screens.



Okay, so he's recognizable, so what?



True, everybody knows OF HIM, but that really doesn't mean much. I know who Da Vinci is as well, but that doesn't mean I know him.



Well, I still believe this was the best way to go.

-Can't do another origin film, we've got it with SV and Donner nailed it the first time. We just had it with Batman anyway.

-Doing a stand alone different film not related to the others probably wouldn't have worked either - too different from what they've seen in the past.

-Having a supervillain doesn't solve anything either - it definitely doesn't guarantee a good film. They can be very corny and ridiculous. Luthor is familiar territory, it was a good move.

I have no proble with Luthor being the main villian I just think its mistake to not feature a supervillian as well as muscle so the audience can be given a fight sequence. That is what Superheroes do; They fight.

Except this Superhero. That is why this movie runs the risk of being a confirmation of the public's perception of Superman as a lame character.

 

[Eros]

well hunter, like i said before superman has limitiless strength in the movies, so Metallo would break his robotic hand if he tried to punch supes. Or supes could blast him away from space, or use super speed and etc [their are so many ways superman can beat metallo is funny]

 

[chi-boy]

The new Superman movie should have a villian. Come on, the general public have had their fair share of Superman dealing with everyday problems and thugs in Lois and Clark and now Smallville. We finally get a multimillion dollar movie and he's just fighting Lex again? Cheap.