Nolan introduction on Absolute The Long Halloween

[Cobblepot]

Because it's a comicbook?
Why doesn't Batman plummeth to his death everytime he jumps off a building?

 

[Two-Face]

Some things are just absurd in TLH, for example, when Bruce is arrested for... what? Because his father saved the Roman's life? Why doesn't Poison Ivy find out that Bruce Wayne is Batman when she controlled him for a long time? The villains are just thrown in without any sense. Why wasn't the Riddler killed? And why doesn't Batman do any real investigations? And so on...

I think you're reading things in too much detail, why can't you enjoy for what it is?

 

[David Rice]

Because it's a comicbook?
Why doesn't Batman plummeth to his death everytime he jumps off a building?

I think you're reading things in too much detail, why can't you enjoy for what it is?

YEP!

He's also just angry cuz he can't figure out who the killer(s) are.

 

[The Empire Ape]

I think you're reading things in too much detail, why can't you enjoy for what it is?

Because some people call it a "masterpiece". It's just average.

 

[David Rice]

Because some people call it a "masterpiece". It's just average.

AHHH, nope, sorry friend it's a masterpiece.

 

[souloffire]

AHHH, nope, sorry friend it's a masterpiece.

That's cool. I personally don't see it.

 

[The Leaguer]

No. Even the ending is just illogical.

How is it illogical?

REALLY? WOW! You must have been dead for the last five years.



REALLY? WOW!



If you don't know who Hush is by now than I would say you should hold your comments about others.

Wow, someone has no f***ing clue what he's talking about. First of all, at the end of Hush, we aren't given a definitive answer. Second, Hush Returns re-opened the question of who Hush is, strongly implying that Thomas Elliot IS NOT Hush.

 

[Mee]

Hush Returns just needs to be retconned.


But Hush was Elliot, a little Harvey, and maybe Clayface. Loeb likes to leave you guessing though. I remember reading that DC wanted he and Lee to do 6 more issues of Batman after Hush, but for whatever reason that didn't happen. Loeb might've cleared up a few things if they had done it.

 

[The Leaguer]

The difference between Hush and Long Halloween, as you indirectly pointed out, is that Hush was always meant to be followed up on.

Long Halloween was designed as a complete story, from start to end, and the ending was created with as much closure as you would get: with the revelation that there was more to Holiday than met the eye. Holiday was a character created exclusively for Long Halloween, and once he was done with him, we would never see Holiday again.

Hush, however, was designed to have long-reaching effects on the DC universe with the introduction of a new villain for Batman to fight. Loeb left doubt as to Hush's identity on purpose because it was his intention that the torch would be picked up soon after Hush-the-story ended, maybe even by he and Lee in the 6-issue Mee mentioned. The problem is that it never materialized and the identity-yet-to-be-revealed-for-certain character of Hush was forgotton about until Lieberman followed up in Gotham Knights. The problem is that, instead of clearing up once and for all who Hush was, he just added even more doubt. There was even one scene depicting Tommy Elliot and Hush in the same place at the same time. Before the story could come to a real head, Infinite Crisis happened and Gotham Knights was cancelled, dooming Hush to the obscurity to which he's returned.

 

[David Rice]

How is it illogical?



Wow, someone has no f***ing clue what he's talking about. First of all, at the end of Hush, we aren't given a definitive answer. Second, Hush Returns re-opened the question of who Hush is, strongly implying that Thomas Elliot IS NOT Hush.

WOW, I guess that must be you then. Did you bother to read the Gotham Knights books after Hush Returns? NO! I guess not. If you would have you would know that Tommy Elliot was Hush for most all of the Hush storyline. The only time he wasn't was when Harvey got The Joker out and when Clayface was Jason Todd.

 

[David Rice]

The difference between Hush and Long Halloween, as you indirectly pointed out, is that Hush was always meant to be followed up on.

Long Halloween was designed as a complete story, from start to end, and the ending was created with as much closure as you would get: with the revelation that there was more to Holiday than met the eye. Holiday was a character created exclusively for Long Halloween, and once he was done with him, we would never see Holiday again.

Hush, however, was designed to have long-reaching effects on the DC universe with the introduction of a new villain for Batman to fight. Loeb left doubt as to Hush's identity on purpose because it was his intention that the torch would be picked up soon after Hush-the-story ended, maybe even by he and Lee in the 6-issue Mee mentioned. The problem is that it never materialized and the identity-yet-to-be-revealed-for-certain character of Hush was forgotton about until Lieberman followed up in Gotham Knights. The problem is that, instead of clearing up once and for all who Hush was, he just added even more doubt. There was even one scene depicting Tommy Elliot and Hush in the same place at the same time. Before the story could come to a real head, Infinite Crisis happened and Gotham Knights was cancelled, dooming Hush to the obscurity to which he's returned.

GO BACK AND READ THEM AGAIN! You missed something! Tommy set that up.

 

[The Leaguer]

No s*** Hush set that up, the point is, DC wouldn't bother with all this "who is Hush?" crap if they intended for the reader to assume it's Hush. The entire point of Hush Returns was that maybe Hush wasn't Tommy, which was what the original story left us with. Until DC out and says Hush was Tommy (which they probably won't, since Hush was probably forgotton about through Infinite Crisis), Hush's true identity is still in doubt.

 

[itsthebatman]

Yeah, if you're mentally ******ed.

Oh, good comeback. Really advances your argument. So who was it then? You have a DEFINITIVE answer? Goddamnit, people here still argue about who it was, Alberto, Harvey, or Gilda, or some combination of two of them or all three. It's ceratinly not clear. Go to vacuumboy.com for arguments for and against Gilda and Alberto. Then come back and tell me I'm mentally ******ed again.

 

[The Leaguer]

You're mentally ******ed.

 

[itsthebatman]

That Golden Globe for Best Comedy Performance is in the bag.

 

[Mee]

So...

has anyone bought the book yet and can post a scan? (of the Nolan part)

 

[MaskedManJRK]

The problem with the ending, specifically the twist of Gilda's involvment, is that it is completely and utterly impossible.

She says that she killed from the first Halloween to Christmas. The problem with this idea is that for most of that time with the exception of the first Halloween, she was stuck in a hospital bed, most likely unable to escape. And as for that first Halloween...there is absolutely no sign at all that she was able to commit anything like that--for most, if not all, of the story, she was portrayed as very weak and whiny.

The only explaination that works in that is that Gilda found out what happened to Harvey, and snapped to the point where she put "memories" in her head of commiting the first murders, so that she could, in some sick sense, still be with him.

 

[itsthebatman]

Absolutely. There's no definitive answer that's 100% accepted. I reckon it was Alberto, faking his death on New Years Eve to throw the GCPD off his trail. I don't buy the Gilda explanation for the reasons outlined by MaskedMan.

 

[David Rice]

No s*** Hush set that up, the point is, DC wouldn't bother with all this "who is Hush?" crap if they intended for the reader to assume it's Hush. The entire point of Hush Returns was that maybe Hush wasn't Tommy, which was what the original story left us with. Until DC out and says Hush was Tommy (which they probably won't, since Hush was probably forgotton about through Infinite Crisis), Hush's true identity is still in doubt.

You reading WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY TOO MUCH into it dude. DC did thier with this guy, best mind **** yet!

Sorry, but Tommy Elliot Hush! Anyone who thinks other wise is just a jackass.

Maybe you should go back and read everything again.

 

[The Leaguer]

I read the comic, jackass, DC planted doubt on purpose because his identity was never supposed to be certain. Stop sucking the cock of the first possibility that comes along and open your eyes.

 

[David Rice]

I read the comic, jackass, DC planted doubt on purpose because his identity was never supposed to be certain. Stop sucking the cock of the first possibility that comes along and open your eyes.

WOW! I think someone needs to be booted off the hype for a bit!

 

[batman44]

WOW! I think someone needs to be booted off the hype for a bit!

He was talking about a chicken t:

 

[David Rice]

He was talking about a chicken t:

Riiiiiiight! Here's the re-play:

The Leaguer realized that he played the part of Alfred and DC played the part of Hush in Hush Returns story.

Lets reacap:

The Leaguer = Alfred
DC Comics = Hush
I = Batman

The Leaguer is now angry and feels like a fool for being bamboozled so he takes it out on Batman! t:

 

[The Leaguer]

WOW! I think someone needs to be booted off the hype for a bit!

Gasp! I used a word I'm allowed to use!

 

[The Joker]

The problem with the ending, specifically the twist of Gilda's involvment, is that it is completely and utterly impossible.

She says that she killed from the first Halloween to Christmas. The problem with this idea is that for most of that time with the exception of the first Halloween, she was stuck in a hospital bed, most likely unable to escape. And as for that first Halloween...there is absolutely no sign at all that she was able to commit anything like that--for most, if not all, of the story, she was portrayed as very weak and whiny.

The only explaination that works in that is that Gilda found out what happened to Harvey, and snapped to the point where she put "memories" in her head of commiting the first murders, so that she could, in some sick sense, still be with him.

Yeah, I didn't buy Gilda's involvement either. Especially when she said she snuck out of the hospital while Harvey was sleeping. Are we supposed to believe not one single person saw her leave the hospital?? The wife of Gotham City's district attorney??