The Dark Knight Nolan=Miller

[Catman]

What about the final showdown screams Miller to you?

what doesn't?

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[Nepenthes]

I always viewed TDK and Year One as much more 'realistic' than most Batman comics. Its the same kind of realism and grounding Nolan uses.

 

[Kakihara]

Originally, I believe BB was supposed to be Miller's Year One. Aranofsky was going to direct with Miller working closely with him. When that didn't pan out, Nolan used several core aspects of the Year One story for BB. So, yes, BB is very much inspired by Miller.

Also, IMO, I think Frank Miller is a genius. I've never read a Miller story I didn't like, but I can't say the same thing for all of Nolan's films. The Prestige in particular springs to mind as a lackluster product.

 

[Catman]

I always viewed TDK and Year One as much more 'realistic' than most Batman comics. Its the same kind of realism and grounding Nolan uses.

hahaha no. Maybe YO but not DKR.

 

[Kaizer]

meh, here I was looking forward to reading someone's thoughts about Miller actually maskerading as Nolan, but this crap I've heard too many times before.

 

[Catman]

Miller actually maskerading as Nolan

This is what we would get

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[Nepenthes]

hahaha no. Maybe YO but not DKR.

To me it is. Just because it features talking dolls and an American superman it doesn't mean the themes and characters in TDK aren't treated with more depth and seriousness than most Batman comics before or after.

 

[Kaizer]

This is what we would get

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This should go in the Batsuit-thread... Proof that Batman doesn´t wear armor!!! Bring back the spandex!!!

 

[66 Face]

I think that Nolan and the writers took some from Frank Miller (IMO the most over-rated writer in comics) but pretty much tried to take from everything that the fans liked about Batman. I also think they also put their own marks on Batman very nicely by filling in some holes and gaps.

To me it seems like they were mostly inspired by the animated series, right down to the Blade Runner look of the movie.

 

[Comic Book Boy]

Frank Miller's Batman is not Nolan's Batman. Can you picture Christian Bale turning into old fart alcoholic?

I didn't say it was. But it is a clear homage. This can't be contested, CLEARLY BATMAN BEGINS has taken numerous elements straight from YEAR ONE.

Also Bruce wasn't an alcoholic in THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS.

 

[Comic Book Boy]

what doesn't?

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What? Because Batman fights on an old tower suddenly Burton's BATMAN is right from Miller's THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS.
The scenes aren't very similar at all.

 

[Comic Book Boy]

THIS is Frank Miller's Batman. Go back and read the first few pages of DKR and you'll see what I mean

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I don't get it. Not similar to THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS at all.

 

[Juanigi]

don't listen to a word catman says, he's a supervillain

 

[Comic Book Boy]

*gasp!

 

[The Kid]

what doesn't?

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tee hee

 

[DOO BEE]

God. Nolan that unoriginal, British hack.

you know he is from Chicago right....

 

[chitownballer]

you know he is from Chicago right....

While he grew up at varying stages of his life in chicago, he was actually born in london and retains a stong british accent (FYI)

 

[DOO BEE]

While he grew up at varying stages of his life in chicago, he was actually born in london and retains a stong british accent (FYI)

FYI... i am very aware that nolan has a brittish accent, its just i also remember at the chicago press confrence they spoke of how he is a home town boy... his brother has an american accent, as seen on the Prestige SF, but i was completely sure if he was born in the US and moved to england in a later stage or what... thats all

sorry

 

[Catman]

tee hee

 

[dkamphaus43]

Read The Dark Knight Returns then watch Burton's movies. Nolan borrowed ideas from Year One but his Batman is more like Jeph Loeb's Batman.

I don't think so. Nolan's Batman wasn't a humorless, borderline psychotic assh*^e. I'd say he's more like Steve Englehart's Batman.

 

[chitownballer]

FYI... i am very aware that nolan has a brittish accent, its just i also remember at the chicago press confrence they spoke of how he is a home town boy... his brother has an american accent, as seen on the Prestige SF, but i was completely sure if he was born in the US and moved to england in a later stage or what... thats all

sorry

Hey no problems here just a common mistake (didn't mean to sound condecending with the FYI either, it may have come off that way)

 

[Kakihara]

I think that Nolan and the writers took some from Frank Miller (IMO the most over-rated writer in comics) but pretty much tried to take from everything that the fans liked about Batman. I also think they also put their own marks on Batman very nicely by filling in some holes and gaps.

To me it seems like they were mostly inspired by the animated series, right down to the Blade Runner look of the movie.

no. just...no.

 

[Capeless Hero]

Im pretty sure that by the end of TDK everyone will agree Nolan and Miller are on the same page. Mainyl because this is where Batman earns his stripes, he has the Joker, GCPD, National Guard, and mob bosses after him...THIS is where Batman earns his cowl. BB was amazin yes, but he fought nothing significant but his inner demons, now hes gotta fight the outter, which is where Miller really knows hows to right. Hence Nolan and miller are sharing.

 

[DOO BEE]

Hey no problems here just a common mistake (didn't mean to sound condecending with the FYI either, it may have come off that way)

just a tad, but its cool i saw your intentions were nice

 

[Riven]

BB was amazin yes, but he fought nothing significant but his inner demons

Yeah... and oh, that army of fundamentalist ninja's bent on driving an entire city insane as a first step to end western civilisation... not so significant?

Im pretty sure that by the end of TDK everyone will agree Nolan and Miller are on the same page. Mainyl because this is where Batman earns his stripes, he has the Joker, GCPD, National
Guard, and mob bosses after him...

But what is the truly important thing that makes "authors" like Miller and Nolan alike? Similarity in events or similarity in spirit, in feel? Sure, there are a bunch of factual similarities between what happens in Nolan's Batman and what happens in Miller's Batman. But the truth behind the character in what Nolan gave us, was much more akin to different authors than Miller.

I like Miller's Batman fine, but as a more extreme take to what I'd like Batman to be. Sort of "What if Batman went really wrong"?

Nolan's Batman, early in his career as he may be, is a positive character. Miller's is completely negative. He's a psychopath still haunted by the past, but no longer inspired by it. The Batman I prefer still believes in hope, in justice, even if that is naive. Miller's (even in Year One, not just DKR) is a cynical nutjob who just projects his immeasurable anger on everyone he meets, preferably criminals he can mortally wound.

So no, I really wouldn't say Nolan's Batman is like Miller's. Nolan used some of Miller's plot points, but that's it. Otherwise the character is completely different.

Check out Miller and Aronofski's script to the "Year One" movie. You'll see how radically different the approach is. You can't relate to that Batman. He's a joyless, selfish, needlessly aggressive machine. Not a thing like Nolan's take on the character.