First Avenger Non American Fans of Captain America

[TheVileOne]

No it's stupid to compare Transformers and Captain America.

Transformers was internationally loved by millions before they became films. It was about big robots smashing the **** out of each other.

So was Captain America.

Captain America is not internationally loved by millions. And he is an America soldier with a gaudy stars and stripes costume and his name is... Captain AMERICA.

******** on a stick. Character that's been around for and surived much longer than Transformers and been published all over the world and in multiple languages.

You really cannot compare the two... at all.

Transformers movies LITTERED AND FILLED UP WITH MICHAEL BAY FLAG WAVING MILITARY LOVING PATRIOTISM made tons of money overseas. Sony was so sensitive to anti-Americanism they literally edited the American flag out of overseas versions of Spider-man. Just goes to show that all the over-sensitivity is absolute ********.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

It's not ********... at all.

You are saying that people who read comics are in the majority? ******** on a stick.

So what if Captain America has been published all over the world? People who don't read comics (the vast majority) won't know about the real character of Steve Rogers.

They'll see some guy called Captain AMERICA in some cheesy stars and stripes costume and roll their eyes.

And you ignored the point i was making. Transformers, big giant robots smashing the **** out of each other, can be a universally entertaining thing. Whether you are a fan of the source material or not. The concept of Transformers itself is not a exclusively America thing. People around the world can blot out Bay's jingoistic tendancies because it's got giant robots smashing the **** out of each other.

An America soldier draped in the stars and stripes in WWII won't be universally entertaining to people who don't know what he is really about. Seeing as most American war movies already lie about history to make America look better what would make people who don't know about Captain America think any different? In fact on first glance they'd think it is the worst example of it ever.

Be honest with yourself. If you was French or Chinese or British and you didn't have a clue about the character of Captain America... wouldn't you find him utterly ridiculous and eye roll worthy on first sight? Of course you ****ing would! So don't try to deny it.

The way to counter this is by having clever trailers. Maybe show Cap at the USO show being paraded around like a propaganda tool. Then show a scene with Steve being embarrassed by all the hoopla and ridiculousness of it or something. Show that Steve Rogers himself isn't some jingoistic *****e bag. Show that Steve Rogers is a hero for all the world... not just America.

 

[Webhead2006]

i dont really see much of an issue here. as long as the play things right everything should be fine. plus the film will be showing 40s usa/us ideals and all that. Now present day usa and how the world treats the us or feels about the us.

 

[roach]

And you ignored the point i was making. Transformers, big giant robots smashing the **** out of each other, can be a universally entertaining thing. Whether you are a fan of the source material or not. The concept of Transformers itself is not a exclusively America thing. People around the world can blot out Bay's jingoistic tendancies because it's got giant robots smashing the **** out of each other.

it still was rah rah america and the wordlwide GA ate it up

An America soldier draped in the stars and stripes in WWII won't be universally entertaining to people who don't know what he is really about. Seeing as most American war movies already lie about history to make America look better what would make people who don't know about Captain America think any different? In fact on first glance they'd think it is the worst example of it ever.

Be honest with yourself. If you was French or Chinese or British and you didn't have a clue about the character of Captain America... wouldn't you find him utterly ridiculous and eye roll worthy on first sight? Of course you ****ing would! So don't try to deny it.

Nobody seems to have an issue with James Bond...If this movie was Captain Britain would we be trying to change the outfit or is it because its america that we have to be ashamed of it

The way to counter this is by having clever trailers. Maybe show Cap at the USO show being paraded around like a propaganda tool. Then show a scene with Steve being embarrassed by all the hoopla and ridiculousness of it or something. Show that Steve Rogers himself isn't some jingoistic *****e bag. Show that Steve Rogers is a hero for all the world... not just America.

I dont think the best way to get someone to come to a superhero movie is by showing him embarrassed by wearing the costume...you want to put butts in seats you show action and cool scenes. The character is called Captain America...now if we are too embarassed to show that character then it shouldnt be done

 

[Ace of Knaves]

People ate Transformers up because it had spectacular action scenes. End of.

James Bond isn't called James England and he doesn't run around wearing the St Georges Cross on his chest.

And I'm glad you brought Captain Britain up actually. Because that was one of the best comics Marvel had going a couple of years ago. But it got canned... mainly because it had the word BRITAIN on front of the book. Proving that ignorant people reign supreme.

Britain has a stigma of having bad teeth and drinking tea and eating crumpets.

America has a stigma of being obnoxious and "HOO RAA! WE ARE THE BESTEST IN TEH WORLDZZZ!!!1111"

Not saying those stigma's are fair or true, but people do associate those countries with them.

And a film called Captain America will only make people think of that even more.

 

[roach]

People ate Transformers up because it had spectacular action scenes. End of.
yup to the point that they didnt mind the "Rah rah america stuff". All Marvel has to do is fill it with spectacular action scenes and no one will complain that its about Captain America

And I'm glad you brought Captain Britain up actually. Because that was one of the best comics Marvel had going a couple of years ago. But it got canned... mainly because it had the word BRITAIN on front of the book.

Source????

Britain has a stigma of having bad teeth and drinking tea and eating crumpets.

America has a stigma of being obnoxious and "HOO RAA! WE ARE THE BESTEST IN TEH WORLDZZZ!!!1111"

Not saying those stigma's are fair or true, but people do associate those countries with them.

And a film called Captain America will only make people think of that even more.

I think you are letting your personal feelings cloud your judgement. The 007 films which are extremely popular overcame crumpets and tea and bad teeth....
.....Captain America will have an international cast so he could very well be fighting alongside Union Jack and heroes from other countries

 

[TheVileOne]

So if the action scenes are good enough than no one will care. So be quiet Ace of Knaves.

Stop enabling all of Hollywood's rampant anti-Americanism.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

No i won't be quiet. I'm making good points. And so far neither of you have successfully countered them. You will not understand because you are Americans yourselves. If you was French or British or any other nationality apart from American... you would have an entirely different viewpoint.

Yes the action scenes will win them over, i'm sure it would.

But why would they want to watch the movie in the first place if at first glance it just looks like another "YEEEEAAAAAA AMERICA RULES!!!!" movie?

It's not Anti Americanism, it's anti jingoism.

And going by how pretty much every American war movie lies about history to make America look better, i don't see how Hollywood is anti American to be honest.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

I think you are letting your personal feelings cloud your judgement. The 007 films which are extremely popular overcame crumpets and tea and bad teeth....
.....Captain America will have an international cast so he could very well be fighting alongside Union Jack and heroes from other countries

Yes the Invaders probably will be involved... but The Vile One has expressed before that he wouldn't want that. He would deem it making the movie more GI Joe like. I remember in his other thread he was ranting on about how they will bring in an international cast and make the movie less American. Basically he wanted the film to be jingoistic.

James Bond isn't blatantly English at first glance though is it? And James Bond has been going for decades and decades, when it first started out i'm sure people had a different mindset than what they do now.

As for why Captain Britain got canned? It didn't sell well... even though it was universally praised and pretty much everyone in the comic industry said it was one of the best books Marvel released. But it didn't sell well in America. I wonder why? It's because ignorant people thought it was a rip off of Captain America but with Britain in the title.

Like i've said before, there is nothing, absolutely nothing wrong with Patriotism. But there is soooooooooooo many things wrong with jingoism.

 

[Son of Coul]

Yeah I'm American but I think you guys may be blinded by loving the character and comics so much. Even as a superhero movie fan, when I heard they were doing a Cap movie I was like "ah ****, that sounds so incredibly lame." Then I started reading up on the character on the web and found out how good a character he is. The GA is not going to do that, American or not. Even the GA of America would think a movie called "Captain America" starring a guy dressed like an American flag is a dumb idea. "Captain America" is even used as a name to mock jingoistic, overly patriotic people with.

I don't think it will fail at all, I do think they'll feature the hell out of the Invaders in the international trailers, which isn't bad at all.

 

[roach]

I dont see the name Captain America any more sillier than Batman, Spider-man or Iron man.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Because you are American and an actual fan of the character maybe?

You, me, everyone on here knows the character. The GA? Non Americans? They don't.

 

[roach]

Yes the Invaders probably will be involved... but The Vile One has expressed before that he wouldn't want that. He would deem it making the movie more GI Joe like. I remember in his other thread he was ranting on about how they will bring in an international cast and make the movie less American. Basically he wanted the film to be jingoistic.

James Bond isn't blatantly English at first glance though is it? And James Bond has been going for decades and decades, when it first started out i'm sure people had a different mindset than what they do now.

to an american he is very british

As for why Captain Britain got canned? It didn't sell well... even though it was universally praised and pretty much everyone in the comic industry said it was one of the best books Marvel released. But it didn't sell well in America. I wonder why? It's because ignorant people thought it was a rip off of Captain America but with Britain in the title.

sometimes good books dont do well...had nothing to do with the nationality of the characters....sure didnt hurt him when he was leading Excalibur all them years

Like i've said before, there is nothing, absolutely nothing wrong with Patriotism. But there is soooooooooooo many things wrong with jingoism.

Th frustration that some people are having is that its almost a bad thing to be a patriotic hero in a movie nowadays....GI Joe gets made into an international group and it looks the dame is being done to Captain America...a hero known for his association with America.....Imagine if the were going to remake James Bond and made him an american

 

[roach]

Because you are American maybe?

or maybe you see it as silly because you are not

 

[Ace of Knaves]

or maybe you see it as silly because you are not

When did i say it was silly?

I know the character, i know what he truly represents.

People who don't know the character, do not know what he truly represents.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Th frustration that some people are having is that its almost a bad thing to be a patriotic hero in a movie nowadays....GI Joe gets made into an international group and it looks the dame is being done to Captain America...a hero known for his association with America.....Imagine if the were going to remake James Bond and made him an american

Excalibur was the name of the book. And it was heavily linked to X-Men. That's your answer.

And comparing James Bond being turned into an American to Captain America teaming up with the Invaders is ridiculous.

You're talking about changing one guys nationality, to not changing the other guys nationality.

If they were actually changing the nationality of Captain America that comparison might work. But they are not changing the nationality of Captain America.

 

[roach]

When did i say it was silly?

I know the character, i know what he truly represents.

People who don't know the character, do not know what he truly represents.

and will learn what he truly represents when the Captain America media press gets into full swing when it gets closer to release

 

[Son of Coul]

The GA doesn't pay as much attention as you may think. It all depends on the trailers/tv spots/marketing.

 

[TheVileOne]

Because you are American and an actual fan of the character maybe?

You, me, everyone on here knows the character. The GA? Non Americans? They don't.

What general audiences knew the bunches of fabricated characters in the Transformers movies that had more face time than the transformers?

 

[The Count]

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[The Count]

The way to look at this is like this, if you saw a poster for a film called Captain Iran showing a man in the countries flag, would your first thoughts be "i bet its a film about a man who represents all the good qualities of that country" or "I bet its a load of propaganda about how there country is better than mine". Sadly i think the majority would see it as the latter.
I think one of the problems the film will have is the GA hearing the title and thinking

"AMERICA!!! F**K YEAH!!!"

which would be a shame as Cap represents not just what America could be and should strive to be but what we ALL should be and strive to be.

I'm English and i wish i was like Cap

 

[jimbo 007]

I actually just posted on another thread that according to Wikipedia there has been over 210 million copies of Cap books sold in 75 different counties so there's definately a fan base outside of the U.S. As long as the movie is handled and promoted right I believe people outside the US will see it for what it is; a comic book movie where the good guys stomp the bad guys.

Don't get me wrong, with a name like "Captain America" it'll be a bit of a tough sell with non-american, non-comic book fans. But like I said before, as long as it's handled and promoted right I think it'll have a good chance.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Well yea that is what i'm saying. It just needs to be marketed right so it doesn't look like a non satirical version of Team America World Police.

 

[Rage]

I think that is why they put "The First Avenger" in the title and will be mentioning him by name in some upcoming Marvel movies... so the audiences of those movies will know who he is and that he is related to the Avengers.

 

[BoredGuy]

Just to drop in my 2 cents...

I completely understand Ace and our other foreign friends' perspectives on this. We certainly don't want the film to come off as propoganda. However, I still think it's a mistake to water it down for overseas audiences.

GI Joe did that, and it was just straight awful. I guarantee more people would've seen that movie if they maintained the feel and characters of the show.

Cap may not be the most well known character ever, but he is pretty well known nonetheless. He's no more 'Pro-American' than Superman, and if it turns off foreign audiences that his name is Captain America, well then that is just awfully shallow on your part, Europe....lol

Bottom Line is, if the movie is good, foreign audiences will get behind it, in spite of the name.
If it's not, it'll bomb everywhere.

And if I'm completely wrong and international audiences boycott it just because they hate us.... well then f*** 'em, movies make plenty of money domestically