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First Avenger Non American Fans of Captain America

yea i am sure marvel is going to market the film just right over seas. they probably been thinking of all this stuff already.
 
Just to drop in my 2 cents...

I completely understand Ace and our other foreign friends' perspectives on this. We certainly don't want the film to come off as propoganda. However, I still think it's a mistake to water it down for overseas audiences.

GI Joe did that, and it was just straight awful. I guarantee more people would've seen that movie if they maintained the feel and characters of the show.

Cap may not be the most well known character ever, but he is pretty well known nonetheless. He's no more 'Pro-American' than Superman, and if it turns off foreign audiences that his name is Captain America, well then that is just awfully shallow on your part, Europe....lol

Bottom Line is, if the movie is good, foreign audiences will get behind it, in spite of the name.
If it's not, it'll bomb everywhere.

And if I'm completely wrong and international audiences boycott it just because they hate us.... well then f*** 'em, movies make plenty of money domestically

Why "Europe"?
 
:funny: Yea i agree with you BoredGuy.

I'm not saying Cap should be watered down at all. If they stay true to the character, it would be totally unnecessary anyway because he is a hero for all ages, all nations. It just so happens he is from America.

I mentioned the Invaders not just to make it more international, but because they are part of his mythos anyway.

He represents the great things of America, not the bad things. That's Ultimate Cap.
 
hahah agreed, damn *****ey ulty cap
 
Just teasin man, relax.

Can't relax! Uni EXAMS! But that's a seperate issue!

I was just wondering since Cap is pretty well known in Europe. I'd worry more about the Asian market.

I've always loved that Cap represents what America should be, the ideals set down in its constitution, and not necessarily what it is. I enjoy the dissalusioned feeling you get from him when his country is not acting like he thinks it should.

Also, I'd say Marvel should be happy that Obama is in power at the moment. "Captain America" would have seemed much more obnoxious or instantly :whatever: in the Bush era, or if McCain carried it on. That's the general view on the ol' American jingoism over here anyway.
 
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They should just have a Cap Corps! America, Britain, Canada, France, Italy, etc.:oldrazz:
 
It's not ********... at all.

You are saying that people who read comics are in the majority? ******** on a stick.

So what if Captain America has been published all over the world? People who don't read comics (the vast majority) won't know about the real character of Steve Rogers.

They'll see some guy called Captain AMERICA in some cheesy stars and stripes costume and roll their eyes.

And you ignored the point i was making. Transformers, big giant robots smashing the **** out of each other, can be a universally entertaining thing. Whether you are a fan of the source material or not. The concept of Transformers itself is not a exclusively America thing. People around the world can blot out Bay's jingoistic tendancies because it's got giant robots smashing the **** out of each other.

An America soldier draped in the stars and stripes in WWII won't be universally entertaining to people who don't know what he is really about. Seeing as most American war movies already lie about history to make America look better what would make people who don't know about Captain America think any different? In fact on first glance they'd think it is the worst example of it ever.

Be honest with yourself. If you was French or Chinese or British and you didn't have a clue about the character of Captain America... wouldn't you find him utterly ridiculous and eye roll worthy on first sight? Of course you ****ing would! So don't try to deny it.

The way to counter this is by having clever trailers. Maybe show Cap at the USO show being paraded around like a propaganda tool. Then show a scene with Steve being embarrassed by all the hoopla and ridiculousness of it or something. Show that Steve Rogers himself isn't some jingoistic *****e bag. Show that Steve Rogers is a hero for all the world... not just America.

Agreed 100% man,I was just thinking about that,it's a perfect hook to get non Captain America fans from other countries to like him. The trailers are going to need a hook like that to go along with showing a bit of cool action. And I hope they don't make him oblivious to the flaws that America has,it's very important that they don't make Cap come off like that imo.
 
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I don't think politics will be much of an issue.

The movie is (mostly) about World War II. Even France, Russia and China were fans of America in that time period.
 
Here's the difference: Captain American is supppsed to be about the IDEALIZED American spirit...all the things America is supposed to represent: Freedom, Equality, oppurtunity...a better world for all.

Propaganda is about pretending you are already at that ideal, even if your not.

When the country has lost her way, Cap should be the first one to stand up and say "No, we are BETTER than this" and fight the good fight.

Cap should be the embodiement of what the country SHOULD be. If you are applying modern politics and negative anti-american cynisim to Cap, you are basically missing the point of what Captain America is meant to be.
 
yea i hope they dont get political on cap and leave him he represents america's idealism and all that.
 
I'm a Filipino, and i friggin' love Cap! He is my favorite Marvel character actually.

Joining the army to be a soldier, to fight for and protect what you love the most is universally relatable whatever nation you belong to.

The 'America' factor isn't going to play a factor in my opinion. If it's a good film, people will see it. Differences in races, nationalities, beliefs, and even religion don't matter when a movie has a good story and plot, believable and likable characters, great visuals, and interesting villains.

I friggin' hate real life mobsters (and i suppose most people do) but many people including me love the Godfather and Goodfellas. I hate guns and I hate real life violence, but I love Martin Scorcese and Tarantino films. I am straight, yet I like Brokeback Mountain. See what I mean? A good movie unties people with different backgrounds emotionally, spiritually and mentally.

I actually see Cap being very popular in my country (Philippines) when it comes out, bigger than Iron Man definitely since the name Captain America is very recognizable in our country even without the movie yet.
 
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This is a very interesting thread that has many great posts that answer questions I had about how a Cap movie might play in other countries. :up:
 
I think that so long as they make a very conscious effort to tie it into the Avengers in the trailers and marketing material, and the action looks good... people will see it.
 
It's a tricky thing, this film can fail miserably worldwide, if they amp the america part too much. I can tell you a film called CAPTAIN AMERICA, won't go too well over here in the UK, alot of my friends already get annoyed when american films do the whole blatant flag wave thing in films. (like that shot of spidey in front of the american flag in spider-man 3) They will hafto be very careful in marketing this film.
 
I'm going to have to disagree with anyone who says Cap isn't well known. I think he's pretty damn well known outside of the United States; well liked is another isssue, but people definitely know who Captain America is.
 
i am sure they will find the right balance for things.
 
It's a tricky thing, this film can fail miserably worldwide, if they amp the america part too much. I can tell you a film called CAPTAIN AMERICA, won't go too well over here in the UK, alot of my friends already get annoyed when american films do the whole blatant flag wave thing in films. (like that shot of spidey in front of the american flag in spider-man 3) They will hafto be very careful in marketing this film.

I think that's pretty much hated by everyone :D
 
I'm going to have to disagree with anyone who says Cap isn't well known. I think he's pretty damn well known outside of the United States; well liked is another isssue, but people definitely know who Captain America is.

My experience in the U.K. is that it's generally only comicbook fans and gamers who know Cap.

Most people I've shared my excitement about the Cap movie with (work collegues, friends and relatives) just either go 'who?' or just nod and go 'ooooh, yeah. right........which one is he again?'. Some certainly recognise the name but actually show them Cap and they wouldnt have a clue who it was.
 
My experience in the U.K. is that it's generally only comicbook fans and gamers who know Cap.

Most people I've shared my excitement about the Cap movie with (work collegues, friends and relatives) just either go 'who?' or just nod and go 'ooooh, yeah. right........which one is he again?'. Some certainly recognise the name but actually show them Cap and they wouldnt have a clue who it was.

Same here in Ireland.
 
It's a tricky thing, this film can fail miserably worldwide, if they amp the america part too much. I can tell you a film called CAPTAIN AMERICA, won't go too well over here in the UK, alot of my friends already get annoyed when american films do the whole blatant flag wave thing in films. (like that shot of spidey in front of the american flag in spider-man 3) They will hafto be very careful in marketing this film.

I can't agree with that. The way you word it makes it sound like us in the UK will just turn our noses up at it based on the name.

As for being 'too American'. There's a big difference between patriotism and jingoism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jingoism). I seriously doubt that anyone would be stupid enough to portray Captain America as the ignorant xenophobic Ultimates version, who by the way was written by Mark Millar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Millar). Millar is one of ours in case you didn't know.

Plus if you go by the fact that the previous Marvel movies have largely been portrayed closer to their 616 selves, it would jar too much with the rest of the Marvel movieverse. And the fact that not just worldwide, but Americans themselves wouldn't pay good money to see that version.
 
Not a lot of guys here really dig captain america (In canada) I've always thought it wasn't going to do spectacular overseas. I should say SOME of the people here but I've never met a hardcore Captain America fan but I am sure there is tons here.
 

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