Objectivity

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  1. Hunter Rider

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    Ive read Bosef long post about comic dogmatists and as usual it is very well written and yet one sided,I think the problem lies more often than not in the lack of objectivity in this place and the ridiculous and sad need for many to brand other ppl with labels to try and make there point.Most feel safe in there ways which ever side they are part of as they are hiding safely behind their keyboards and can hurl insults without fear of retribution.
    Here's the thing,there are these people who believe every change is evil and rant and rave about it as if it's the end of the world,they are branded "comic dogmatists" or more usually "fanboy purists",on the other hand you have those that just believe that every change is acceptable and that director is infalable,they carry such mantras as "in singer i trust",these people are branded "conformist studio drones".However what about those of us who have respect for the source material but also accept that the moive is a seperate entity ? I know im not happy about the suit and the same goes for others but it doesnt mean i am writing this movie,off,i see plenty of good things in the blogs and i know that singer is a good filmaker regardless of what changes he makes,At the end of the day we are getting a new superman movie and i am excited to see what it's like ,that doesn't make me a studio drone,i also will voice my views on changes and choices i think were a mistake but that doesnt make me a comic dogmatist,the bottom line ppl is that some need to take a more rounded view of these films in general,nothing is perfect but also there is no greater enemy to personal growth as stubborn hatred,Try to judge things as they are not how you wanted therm to be.
     
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    Post of the year :up: :up:.
     
  3. Still six months to go yet mate :)

    Great post hunter as usual..

    I agree!

    being saying that all along.
     
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    Another reason HUNTER RIDER is one of the best people on here :up:
     
  5. Bad Superman

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    The best post I've read in a long time. :up:
     
  6. Hunter Rider

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    I expected to get flamed for this thread,thanks for the replies guys,i just hope in the future as more news appears about this movie we can all step back and view it fairly and objectively no matter what our conclusions end up being
     
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    Good post! :up:
     
  8. Bad Superman

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    The ignore list does wonders against flamers and trolls. I strongly recommend it. ;)
     
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    Great post. But, I don't think my post is as onesided as one may think. I am too hestiant of many production notes on this film. I am simply pointing to a rampant phenomenon that is plauging these boards. I don't mean to draw sides, but I do mean to identify a problem and why it occurs and what happens when it does. I am in the middle-ground, despite what it may seem.
     
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    The problem is that the anonymity internet tends to bring out the worst in a lot of people. This goes for people on both sides. On one hand, you've got people posting about how the Singer suit is pissing all over an American icon and that this movie is sounding the death knell of the character. You've got people who can't see beyond their own selfish biases and already declare that this film is dead in the water. On the other side, you have the people who do blindly accept what Singer gives them, already declaring this film a victory in comic book storytelling. And that's the problem. Extremist fanboys deal with absolutes. There is no give and take. Objectivity is a nice thing to aspire for, however...reality shows that it is about as common as common sense.

    I think the main problem is that people cannot look beyond their own worldview. Just because one doesn't like something does not mean that the product is bad. Many a time it just means it's not your taste. Take the suit as an example. Many people don't like it and that's fine. However, one cannot assume that that feeling is universal, like many people in the Hate thread try to make it out to be. There ARE people who prefer different things from the costume, and those who actually see the good in it. Again, the extremist fanboys deal with absolutes. The suit must be horrible and it is definitive. It is blind hatred. On the flip side, you've got people explaining that the suit is incredible because "In Singer We Trust." Blind devotion. Is it not entirely possible to see both the good and bad in the Routh suit and the Reeve suit? I don't think either one is perfect, however I do prefer the Routh suit over the Reeve suit based on the suit design itself. Whether or not it works on screen or if Routh's performance matches my expectations is still up in the air.

    It's a case of "if you're not with us, you're against us" even when that isn't the case.
     
  11. The Kid

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    Can we talk about the film instead of the people talking about the film? :supes: This arguing for the sake of belittling the next user you don't like or group of users you don't like isn't fun...
     
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    Thats wasnt whatb i was doing,i was just making a point about how i think we shouldn't have "sides" and shouldn't be so damning so early on
     
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    I don't think we should have 'sides' either so we're really on the same page :hyper: literally. I like the 'discuss the film not fans' rule on some boards. It keeps people focused on what they should be focusing on if they want to be at a place like this.
     
  14. Hunter Rider

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    unfortunately a lot of disscussions turn to flames on here as no one respects the other side of the coin and to many don't look at whats actually happening just what they wanted to happen
     
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    Anyone who flames you for this thread can go feck themselves, Hunter. You've done something respectable and intelligent here, and anyone who would have you do otherwise is unworthy. :up:

    :wolverine
     
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    Great post my friend. Thou are far wiser than I...
     
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    what an absoultely usless post hunter tider, i can't beleive you made such crap.

    lol
    great post man, just kidding. Good stuff. I wish i could be that objective.
     
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    Great post hunter.....If only more people would listen....its a shame
     
  19. Hunter Rider

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    hehe;)
    I sincerely hope you sees omething in the trailer that get's you interested again
     
  20. Hunter Rider

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    thanks,actually you are one of the guys on here that when the suit came out were less verbal and after i thought about it i thought that your "wait and see some better shots" attitude was something i wished i'd done
     
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    i hope so, but for me its not the trailer, i need to see the script. i need to know where he i s going with his story. like i said i wish i am that objective but in my mind singer has started withthe wrong foot and it seems destined to finsinh this half a foot short. but the problemis that superman fans think about the characters movies liek the character himself. we want nothing less than stella and if it looks like we are not getting it, we ***** and moan about it. :D
     
  22. The Sage

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    :up:

    One of the reasons I haven't said much about the latest "kid" news is because I still believe the kid isn't Lois's, so I'm taking the "wait and see" approach on that issue. The costume, after seeing it in the possible right colors, looks good to me, plus it probably looks different from other angles (I noticed in the last blog from one of the storyboard pictures that the size of the emblem on one of the Superman drawings matches the size of the one on the suit). Plus, the story sounds exciting. A serious Lex Luthor. One of the three greatest villains in comicbook mythology, a genius, wreaking havoc for the Man of Steel, who has to redeem himself to the world that has possibly forgotten him? Sounds cool to me.

    Plus some classic shots:

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    the problem withthis story is i would have prefered it to be a sequel. sage you been reading the ifnitine crisis tie-ins with superman 240 and 241. seeing as how max has made the people of metroplois distrust superman and making him even doubt himself. i would have loved that to be the prelude of this movie and then this being a sequel. it will show lex in his most evil form and will show superman struggling to deal with this doubt he is getting from the people his loves to protect. as for the costume i am glad you like it. nothing in that attracts me to it. i go by feeling. reeve suit i said yeah great. cain suit i said mehh could have been better. routh suit. was first reaction yuck. i go by got reaction and my reactions don't change till changes are made. but thats me and you are you. i will still say yuck when i see it on screen. :D
     
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    what are the pics for sage,don't get it. or are you agree with me that the costume designers are blind and don't know what they are doing. :D
     
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    I haven't read the Infinite Crisis, just mainly the Superman and Batman books.
     

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