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and if the Mets are even rumored I will puke. He should sign with the Giants. Its a good division... he'll be playing meaningful games there.

The Mets are rumored. I think they even said they were going to talk and discuss it during some executive meeting. It's not going to happen. They are likely doing it because they want to be on the back page (They haven't been since Oct. 1). Wilpons won't sign him. They tried it before, they won't try again. They already have a 3B and SS.
 
I said it back in the 2006 thread, I said it back in the 2007 thread, and I will say it again...THE PIRATES ARE GOING TO THE WORLD SERIES THIS YEAR! (or at least hopefully not tying the record for the most losing seasons in a row :csad:)
 
True. It still isn't gonna happen.

Always nay-saying :p


As for Dice-K, having been discussed a ways back...his problem ast he season went on is he can't pitch inside...when he does POW!

Once they spend the off-season teaching him to pitch inside to batters, it'll be like a whole new Dice-K
 
Very much digging this article (highlights some differences between the Yanks and Boston):

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=wojciechowski_gene&id=3084772&sportCat=mlb

Red Sox are masters of baseball's universe:

DENVER -- "The Red Sox can have their Nation. The Yankees have the universe."
-- Hank Steinbrenner, New York Yankees senior vice president

Not anymore, they don't.

WORLD SERIES

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For the second time in four seasons, the Boston Red Sox are World Series champions and the indisputable rulers of the baseball universe as we know it. They are the Roman Empire of the postseason, having won eight World Series games in a row. Hail, Tito.

That the Yankees' Steinbrenner says otherwise is one-third arrogance, one-third ignorance and one-third stupidity. Then again, that sort of self-infatuation helps explain why the Yankees haven't played in a World Series since 2003 and haven't hoisted the sterling silver Commissioner's Trophy above their heads since 2000.

Didn't anybody from the House of Steinbrenner (George and sons Hank and executive vice president Hal) see what the Red Sox just did to the Colorado Rockies? Four games, four wins. They could have played a best-of-17 series, and the Red Sox still would have swept.

This was the Europeans versus USA in the Ryder Cup, New England Patriots versus anybody, chocolate eclairs versus Britney. Less than two weeks ago, the Red Sox were a loss away from playoff elimination. Now, they reek of champagne again.

Sunday night, in the plastic-covered visitors clubhouse of Coors Field, the Red Sox popped open green bottles of Domaine Ste. Michelle and soaked themselves in victory. DH/first baseman David Ortiz, looking ridiculous with blue swim goggles covering his eyes, stood on a small stage and yelled playful obscenities at his teammates. Ballplayers.

Then a half-dozen Red Sox shook their bottles and aimed them at their beloved Big Papi. He danced in the champagne like a child dancing in the gushing water of a fire hydrant.

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AP Photo/Ed Andrieski

Let the good times roll. For the second time in four seasons, the Red Sox are on top of the world.

"When I first came here in '03, it was like the most impossible thing to get done," said Ortiz of Boston's winning a world championship.

But then the Red Sox swept the St. Louis Cardinals to claim the 2004 World Series. Now this.

The Nation keeps annexing territory that once belonged to the Yankees. And with each championship, the Red Sox are reversing the conventional financial wisdom of the sport. Fat payrolls -- and the Red Sox have the second-fattest in the majors at $143 million -- can work if the people operating the wallet know what they're doing.

The Red Sox know what they're doing. They are what the other big-money franchises -- New York Mets ($116 million payroll in 2007), Los Angeles Angels ($109 million), Chicago White Sox ($109 million), Los Angeles Dodgers ($108 million), Seattle Mariners ($106 million), Chicago Cubs ($99 million), Detroit Tigers ($95 million), Baltimore Orioles ($95 million) and, yes, even the Yankees ($195 million) -- want to be when they grow up.

"I think if you look at who the stars were of this Series, it's not all about payroll," said Red Sox owner John Henry. "It's never all about payroll. … But it takes 25 guys to win. The guys at the bottom of this pay scale were just as important to this team … [pause for Henry getting champagne-sprayed by shortstop Julio Lugo] … as the guys at the top."

Ortiz made a beeline toward Henry. There were hugs, then Ortiz announced, "The best owner in baseball." Henry beamed.

"I think we have a good, young team," Henry said. "I think we have a solid team that's going to be strong for some time. But the competition isn't getting any easier in the American League. It's a really tough league."

Money guarantees nothing in baseball except expectations. But what happened to the Red Sox this season, as well as in 2004, isn't an accident. They spent money, lots of it, but they mostly spent it wisely. They did a lot of things wisely.

This is the 103rd World Series. Only two teams have won successive championships by 4-0 sweeps: the Red Sox (2007, '04) and, before they began to self-destruct, the Yankees (1998-99). It is entirely possible, if not probable, that Boston could win it all next season too.

The Red Sox are the Warren Buffetts of baseball. They invest and trade well.

While the Yankees were committing $120 million to Jason Giambi in 2002, the Red Sox waited a year and took a $1.25 million flier on a DH discarded by the Minnesota Twins. Maybe you've heard of him … Ortiz.

When the Yankees signed starting pitcher Carl Pavano, the Red Sox would later trade for Pavano's Florida Marlins teammate, Josh Beckett. To be fair, Boston also pursued Pavano. Pavano's Yankees career is deader than a Barry Bonds-Bud Selig photo op. Meanwhile, Beckett is building a résumé that one day could include Cooperstown.

The Red Sox aren't nostalgic or sentimental. Pedro Martinez? Johnny Damon? Enjoy New York, fellas. General manager Theo Epstein and his staff designate a value to a player and rarely waver from that value. That's why Damon is in a Yankees uni and Pedro in a Mets uni. Epstein isn't afraid of selective personnel turnover. If he were, that '04 team might be intact still.

Did I mention the 2005 draft? Pedro's departure meant a supplemental choice used to select Clay Buchholz, whose second career start resulted in a no-hitter last month. Center fielder Jacoby Ellsbury, who apparently hits nothing but doubles, was taken with the Orlando Cabrera pick. He hit .438 for the Series. Pitcher Craig Hansen came with the Derek Lowe pick.

Depending on the situation, the Red Sox aren't afraid to ignore slotting and signability issues. They invest heavily in scouting the Caribbean and Asia. They understand baseball has no borders.

They aren't perfect. (Hello, Edgar Renteria. And until recently, hello, J.D. Drew.) But if Epstein wants someone, if he's absolutely convinced that player will be the difference between a duck boat parade or losing, the Red Sox will cowboy up.

They outbid and outsmarted the Yankees on Daisuke Matsuzaka. So the Yankees settled for Dice-K Really Lite, Kei Igawa. Igawa was a disaster, finishing 2-3 with a 6.25 ERA.

"We just know that we're blesssed to have great resources," Epstein said. "But that in and of itself doesn't get you anywhere, as other teams have shown."

Greed, as Gordon Gekko said, is good. Or it can be. The Red Sox want more. More playoff appearances (that's the starting point for Epstein) and, if possible, more moments like Sunday night, when commissioner Selig handed them another World Series trophy.

A payroll of $143 million, when used the way the Red Sox use those dollars, can result in more of everything, including another championship run next season.

"This team is built well," said veteran reliever Mike Timlin. "You can't predict what's going to happen, but this team is built extremely well."

The outfield of Manny Being Manny, Ellsbury and Drew returns. Third baseman, Series MVP and free agent-to-be Mike Lowell will be asked back at a nice raise. If he leaves, Kevin Youkilis might take his place. Or maybe, just maybe, the Red Sox will romance Alex Rodriguez again (his ego-driven agent, Scott Boras, chose Sunday night to make the announcement of A-Rod's opt-out). It isn't as if they can't afford him, although Red Sox fans chanted "Don't sign A-Rod" as the Boston players and management mingled on the field hours after the game.

Big Papi is signed through 2010, with a club option in 2011. Dustin Pedroia looks like a fixture at second. Lugo? Not sure. Catcher and captain Jason Varitek is here for at least another season.

The starting rotation is a half-light-year ahead of the Yankees'. Beckett, Jon Lester, Buchholz, Dice-K, Tim Wakefield, possibly Curt Schilling (doubt it) or a free agent (don't doubt it). And the bullpen is mostly state-of-the-art (with Jonathan Papelbon, Hideki Okajima, Manny Delcarmen as the centerpieces).

Manager Terry Francona will return, as will Epstein, who appears to have designated his gorilla suit (remember his walkout two years ago?) for assignment.

"We've got a lot of young guys, we've got a lot of talent, a lot of guys in their prime," said Lester, who won the Game 4 clincher. "It should be fun for years to come, hopefully. Put some runs together and be in the playoffs every year."

Henry had it right when he said Steinbrenner and the Yankees "can have Mars and Pluto. We'll take Red Sox Nation."

They'll take that. And more trophies.
 
Hank Steinbrenner is a complete idiot. Joe Torre needed to win the WS next year. But with the new manager, he preached patience. The most successful manager in franchise history has to produce next season but all of a sudden the new guy deserves patience from the front office?

"I don't want anybody who doesn't want to be a Yankee on my team"
He said this about A-Rod. What about Mattingly? He was the reason fans went to the games in the 80's and early-90's. He wants to be a Yankee but he's just throw in the gutter.

"We want to win the World Series every year, but we're not dumb enough to think we can."
You have been for a long, long time.

George Steinbrenner should fire his son. He is a complete idiot.
 
From the New York Post:


JOE TORRE AGREES TO MANAGE LOS ANGELES DODGERS
By GEORGE KING

October 30, 2007 -- With Grady Little out of the way, Joe Torre is the Dodgers' first choice to take over the club. According to sources, Torre has agreed in principle to a three-year deal worth $14.5 million and could be introduced Thursday, the same day the Yankees are holding a press conference to welcome Joe Girardi, Torre's successor, at Yankee Stadium. The Dodgers are denying a deal is complete.

Alex Rodriguez could be following Torre from The Bronx to Hollywood. One of the reasons Rodriguez opted out of the last three years on his Yankees' contract was he wasn't sure what Yankees life would be like without Torre's calming presence in the clubhouse and dugout. In the Dodgers, Rodriguez will find a club in dire need of a jolt at the plate and in the stands.

Third-base coach Larry Bowa and Don Mattingly are expected to join Torre in L.A. Hitting coach Kevin Long is staying with the Yankees and is close to signing a three-year deal worth nearly $1M. There are whispers Jose Cardenal, a coach under Torre in the early Yankees years, will be part of Torre’s staff. Current Dodgers pitching coach Rick Honeycutt is a candidate to remain.

The Dodgers first made contact with Torre's agent Maury Gostfriend before Torre flew to Tampa two weeks ago and rejected the Yankees' one-year offer of $5 million with a chance to make $3 million more in incentives. It's the first time Gostfriend, who usually does endorsement deals for Torre, got involved in baseball negotiations for Torre. Out of respect for Little, who managed the Dodgers for two years and fell victim to a fractured clubhouse and less than solid relationship with some of his coaches, Torre refused comment on the situation.

Little resigned yesterday with $1 million guaranteed for next season. The Dodgers recently picked up a 2009 option on Little for an undisclosed amount of money. The Dodgers started talking to Little about a buyout last week.

Torre, who spurned the Yankees' one-year, $5 million offer to return on Oct. 18, didn't return messages last night.

"(Dodgers GM) Ned (Colletti) and I have been in constant communication since the end of the season and decided mutually that this was the best move for the Dodgers to take," Little said yesterday in a conference call.

Little, who was sacked by the Red Sox following Aaron Boone's dramatic homer in Game 7 of the 2003 ALCS, said talk of Torre taking his job didn't play a part in stepping down.

"None whatsoever; I have personal reasons," Little said.

Though Colletti contradicted Little saying it was a mutual decision - Colletti said he wanted Little back - the hiring of Torre was believed to be orchestrated by owner Frank McCourt wanting to make a splash with his underachieving club.

"I wanted Grady Little back, I encouraged him to think it through," Colletti said.

Because Girardi turned down a three-year deal worth $7.5 million from the Dodgers to follow Torre in The Bronx, many believe Torre was the Dodgers' second choice. However, that hasn't been confirmed.

"We've talked to other people a little bit to gauge their level of interest because talking to Grady at the end of the season I wasn't sure he was coming back," Colletti said.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/10302007/sports/joe_torre_agrees_to_manage_los.htm
 
I hope the Dodgers win the World Series so I can laugh at the Yankees front office.
 
Yet another reason the Red Sox are nothing like the Yankees: The Sawx are not so uptight and all business, they can cut loose and have fun. I don't see Jeter dancing any jigs ;)

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3086685


Red Sox Celebrate Title with Parade

BOSTON -- When the Red Sox needed a closer -- even for their World Series championship parade -- Jonathan Papelbon was their man.

Papelbon donned a kilt and danced his trademark Irish jig to the roars of tens of thousands of fans Tuesday as the city celebrated Boston's second World Series title in four years with a three-mile-long rolling rally from Fenway Park to City Hall Plaza.

"The fans connect to Papelbon because he cuts loose, he's passionate," said Red Sox fan Ryan McCarty, who was carrying "Mobile Papelbon," a giant cardboard likeness with its legs on hinges.

Players and their families boarded 20 amphibious, World War II-era duck boats outside the stadium for a journey through the city. Manny Ramirez grabbed a microphone and yelled to fans along the route. "You guys are No. 1." "There's a party at my house tonight." "We did it for you guys." "We're gonna do it again next year." "You guys are the best fans in the whole world."

Fans showed their love back for the team, chanting "MVP" to Mike Lowell and waving signs with wedding proposals to rookie Jacoby Ellsbury.

The two-hour parade paused three times for Papelbon to dance on a flatbed truck, accompanied by the Dropkick Murphys, a Boston-based punk rock band with heavy Irish folk music influence.

Before the parade, the band presented Papelbon with his own kilt plus one for ace Josh Beckett and general manager Theo Epstein, who had promised to dance with him. They also made a kilt for slugger David Ortiz, whom they hoped to coax into the jig.

At the first two stops at Copley Plaza and Boston Common, Papelbon danced alone, wearing jeans, a red championship T-shirt and dark sunglasses and waving a large cigar in his hand. Along the route, he played air guitar on a broom -- a reference to Boston's sweep of the Colorado Rockies.

They're two flavors of ice cream -- they both taste good. You can't choose among them. I think the next one is going to taste good, too.

--Red Sox president Larry Lucchino on the team's recent titles

But he saved his best dancing -- and wardrobe change, putting the kilt over his jeans -- for the largest crowd which packed City Hall Plaza, the end of the parade. He was joined by relievers Hideki Okajima and Mike Timlin, who earlier had tied the bullpen mascot, a stuffed parrot, onto one of the speakers on the Dropkick Murphys' flatbed. On another boat, six members of Boston's bullpen recreated their postseason jam sessions.

Ortiz and Epstein never got the chance to don their kilts, as their duck boats continued on the route.

The caravan of duck boats followed a similar route to the rolling celebration staged after the Red Sox broke an 86-year World Series drought in 2004 by sweeping the St. Louis Cardinals. The Red Sox completed a sweep of the Rockies on Sunday with a 4-3 win in Denver.

Mark Rinaldi, a student at Harvard, said he attended the 2004 parade and "I never thought I'd be able to do it again in my lifetime. To do it twice is pretty incredible."

Most of the players and manager Terry Francona wore bright red hooded championship sweat shirts. Some, including first baseman Kevin Youkilis and Timlin, wore T-shirts that said "We did it AGAIN." Many of the players took photos or video recordings of the fans along the way.

Owner John Henry, wearing an argyle gray sweater, tapped his hand on his heart in thanks as he waved to fans from a lead boat, which also carried the new World Series trophy.

Fans decked out in Red Sox gear lined the route, holding signs and cheering for the team. Some couldn't resist a shot at the archrival New York Yankees and former Red Sox star Johnny Damon, who defected to New York after the 2004 championship.

"Johnny Damon is home changing diapers," read one sign. "This is better."

Along the way, fans yelled to team management "Re-sign Lowell."

Ramirez agreed, telling a City Hall crowd, "Forget about A-Rod, we've got Mike Lowell in the house."

One fan held a sign also referring to Alex Rodriguez, the Yankees third baseman who this week opted out of his contract with New York: "A-Rod: Mr. April, Miss October."

There were some indications Boston fans might even be getting picky about their championships, with 2004 and 2007 coming when the Sox were on the road.

Ortiz said a fan asked him when the team was going to win a World Series at Fenway.

"I told him, 'Dude, it doesn't matter where you win it, as long as you win it,"' Ortiz said.

Red Sox president Larry Lucchino said before the parade that he could not choose which Series win he liked better.

"They're two flavors of ice cream -- they both taste good," he said. "You can't choose among them. I think the next one is going to taste good, too."

Mayor Thomas Menino acknowledged having the celebration on a week day would inconvenience some businesses and keep school children away, but said players were eager to get home to their families and begin their vacation. This year's parade had one significant difference from the 2004 parade: it did not proceed into the Charles River. Menino said that decision was made by the team.

Before the parade, Menino stumbled on the stairs at Fenway while carrying the 2004 World Series trophy and injured his knee. A spokeswoman said he hyperextended his knee, but was fine.

Menino also said a "rolling rally" was easier for city officials to manage, because it spread out the crowds. He estimated security would cost $500,000.

Police refused to give a crowd estimate. People were lined up along the three-mile route, dozens deep at some points.
 
Sox win a World Series, and Red Sox fans still have to mention the Yankees? :p
 
Curt Schilling has a list of 13 teams he would sign with next year.

On that list: Tigers. :heart:
 
Riveria is negotiating with the Yankees. I hope he stays, he's always been a Yankee and I'd like to see him retire as one. While not in his prime, still better than most of the closers out there.
 
I want to vomit reading all these "Mets want A-Rod" rumors. They are supposedly considering it because they want to boost their channel ratings. They can do it by making the team good and dropping all the passive, "eh" players (ie Carlos Delgado). Put a winning team on the field, and I'll watch it. You don't need A-Rod to get a winning team.
 
man, i wish we'd get some hard proof that torre has actually signed on as the dodgers' manager already. i keep seeing articles claiming that they've come to an agreement, but still nothing definite. the season's only been over for three days and i'm already starved for baseball news. :(
 
F A-Rod, he's good i the regular season but sucks in the post season, the post season is when the Sox could use a guy like him,but since he chokes in October,he's useless...like Clemens was.
 
I want to vomit reading all these "Mets want A-Rod" rumors. They are supposedly considering it because they want to boost their channel ratings. They can do it by making the team good and dropping all the passive, "eh" players (ie Carlos Delgado). Put a winning team on the field, and I'll watch it. You don't need A-Rod to get a winning team.

And don't forget the David Wright/Derek Jeter connection if A-Rod went to the Mets, and moved Wright to 1st base as part of his team-player role.
 
Well is Wright a better 3rd basemen than A-Rod? I don't know, haven't really followed how well he has done fielding wise.
 
Well is Wright a better 3rd basemen than A-Rod? I don't know, haven't really followed how well he has done fielding wise.

I don't watch A-Rod. Going by RF9, Wright is 2.73 (lgRF9 is 2.68). A-Rod's is 2.42 (lgRF9 is 2.63). So Wright is the better fielder going by that. Wright would likely be the one to move since he's shown in the past he would move if the team acquired a good 3B.

The Mets won't get A-Rod.

BTW, The Mets told Wright to be quiet when he asked them what they were doing about A-Rod. They told him that because: A) There is an MLB policy about discussing free agents and B) The Mets don't want Boras to use them as leverage if he is negotiating a deal with another team. Hopefully they told him privately what they will do. He deserves to know since he'd be the one to move and Wright was the only guy who gave a damn about them choking.
 
I love Moises Alou.

“I’m angry at what happened last year and our fans deserved better. I’m coming back to help us win a championship. From the first day of spring training we have to show people that 2008 will be different.”
 
I want to vomit reading all these "Mets want A-Rod" rumors. They are supposedly considering it because they want to boost their channel ratings. They can do it by making the team good and dropping all the passive, "eh" players (ie Carlos Delgado). Put a winning team on the field, and I'll watch it. You don't need A-Rod to get a winning team.

I've been hearing those rumors too. They want to sign A-Rod and move Wright to 1st or 2nd.
 
It's not going to happen considering Omar Minaya just released this statement:

“I expect to talk to David, because I think it’s only right, because with a free-agent like that there’s going to be speculation and all those things - and usually I try to communicate with my players to tell them exactly what our thinking is…I will tell you that we are very happy with David Wright as our third baseman, I will tell you that Willie is very happy with David Wright as our third baseman…Put it this way, we think we have one of the greatest young players, and greatest young third basemen in the game today.”
 
I guess that puts that rumor to bed.

What about the Reyes for Santana deal? Would you like to see that happen?
 
I'm on the fence but am leaning towards "No" because I have a Reyes jersey and shirt. Reyes, despite a poor 2nd half, still has incredible potential and is an MVP candidate. I don't think I would want to give up on that, especially since he's not even 25. The only way I would do it is if Santana signed a life debt to the Mets.
 
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