Official Batman Titles thread 2.0 - - - Part 12

[Llama_Shepherd]

Maybe she can be a new Oracle, but all extreeeeeme and edgy because she is a street level information broker.

 

[ShaDynasty]

And what? Is Bruce going to be her Mikael Blomkvist?

Can you honestly say that you'd like the character if her brother wasn't gay?

Exactly. Batman 12 was the worst comic that's been released in the New 52. And that's really saying something. All exposition. Garbage.

Harper seems like another angsty teenager, and her character seems stereotyped to the extreme. If she becomes the new Robin I'm dropping the title.

 

[El Bastardo]

Oh look, hyperbole.

 

[HighFivingMF]

Exactly. Batman 12 was the worst comic that's been released in the New 52. And that's really saying something. All exposition. Garbage.

Yeaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh. No. Rob Liefeld was involved in 4 of these books.

 

[El Bastardo]

lol

 

[Saint]

Yeaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh. No. Rob Liefeld was involved in 4 of these books.

Indeed. there seems to be confusion about things that aren't good versus things that are actually bad.

Things that fall into the actually bad category of the New 52?
-Rob Liefeld
-Scott Lobdell
-Starfire
-Scott Lobdell
-Confused continuity
-Scott Lobdell
-Not Batman #12

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

Scott Lobdell may be awful, but his Red Hood book is seven shades of kickass. For the past couple of months, I have felt Batman has been the weakest of the bat titles, maybe second to Detective.


Here's hoping it picks up again for Joker's arc and Batman's new origin.


EDIT- and confused continuity ftl . How can you have four Batman titles where two contradict another two? Especially when three came out in two weeks?

 

[Mystirious]

Batwoman issue zero looks like its going to be so good this week but really sad as well

Can't wait to buy it this week it looks like its going to be really neat and thankfully it looks like they're not going to be changing Kate's origin from Rucka's run

 

[El Bastardo]

Indeed. there seems to be confusion about things that aren't good versus things that are actually bad.

Things that fall into the actually bad category of the New 52?
-Rob Liefeld
-Scott Lobdell
-Starfire
-Scott Lobdell
-Confused continuity
-Scott Lobdell
-Not Batman #12

You forgot Paul Cornell. He deserves a few listings.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Paul Cornell doesn't deserve to be on the list. His run on Stormwatch was plagued with editorial interference (why he quit the title) and his Demon Knights is ****ing amazing.

 

[El Bastardo]

His run on Stormwatch was terrible, regardless of excuses. Demon Knights is amazing ****, rather than ****ing amazing. Add to that track record some other amazing stinkers like, off the top of my head, Dark X-Men, Soldier Zero, and his Batman & Robin fill-in from before the relaunch? The man has some glaring problems.

Corp and I had the discussion about Demon Knights over in the JLA thread, I think it was. If I find it, I'll potentially port the post over here - but it boiled down to Cornell's handling of his characters to be tentative at best, with no, ahem, time a'wasting to such silly and needless things as character development or elaboration or voice, for the most part. A few notable exceptions occur, which should be common place for any writer worth his or her name in the credits.

I'm not saying the man hasn't written anything good ever. I've not read Captain Britain or Action Comics, which I've gathered are the titles he's gotten the most praise for. (I'm in no hurry to read them, either.) I'm saying any of the work he's done on anything I've mentioned would get ripped apart in an undergraduate creative writing course, much less be something that should be fine for being published.

 

[ShaDynasty]

I honestly think Batman 12 belongs in the "bad" group. There isn't even anything about that book that's redemptive enough to keep it out of that category.

I kept waiting to be impressed by something within the story but I got angst. Lots and lots of angst. The "badass teenage girl" has been overdone and is quite sadly become cliché.

 

[El Bastardo]

Everything's a cliche. There is no new idea under the sun.

What separates cliches is the flavor injected into them, and how the writer employs them.

Batman #12 was more about letting us see who the heck the character that had popped up in - what, was it #6? - was, while also tying her into the Gotham that Bruce had been talking about wanting to save and bring up, and giving the character the impetus to be there in #6. It's narrative completion. There was no need to make the Owls storyline an unnecessary issue longer. There was also no point in moving onward, only to get interrupted by Zero Month.

The issue works whether we see her again or not. Also, the issue wins for Snyder bringing back Tiger Shark.

 

[Mystirious]

And you can never have too many bad ass ladies

So I liked the addition of Harper to the Batman universe

Paul Cornell doesn't deserve to be on the list. His run on Stormwatch was plagued with editorial interference (why he quit the title) and his Demon Knights is ****ing amazing.

Demon Knights has been one of my favourite series of the new 52 its a close second right after Batwoman right now and I've loved how Cornell has written it personally. I loves the characters and the stories and I've been digging the current story arc so much

And it has talking flying horses and pirate sea serpents and Vandal Savage fighting dinosaurs and bad ass lesbian princesses and dragons

Its fab

It's in my top five dc comic books right now

 

[Anubis]

You should change your name to the Troll....what's Spanish for Troll?

 

[Spade]

Duende, or trasgo. Sometimes gnomo, though the English equivalent would be "gnome."

 

[El Bastardo]

I've never trolled.

And besides, it doesn't have quite the same ring to it.

 

[Mystirious]

Duende, or trasgo. Sometimes gnomo, though the English equivalent would be "gnome."

Gnomes are terrifying

 

[hippie_hunter]

And you can never have too many bad ass ladies

So I liked the addition of Harper to the Batman universe



Demon Knights has been one of my favourite series of the new 52 its a close second right after Batwoman right now and I've loved how Cornell has written it personally. I loves the characters and the stories and I've been digging the current story arc so much

And it has talking flying horses and pirate sea serpents and Vandal Savage fighting dinosaurs and bad ass lesbian princesses and dragons

Its fab

It's in my top five dc comic books right now

I wouldn't put it in the top 5 (that would go to Aquaman, Batman, Animal Man, Swamp Thing, and I, Vampire), but it's still pretty freaking great. Surprisingly I'm loving it for many of the reasons you mention. That and I like the whole Xanadu/Jason Blood/Etrigan love mystery.

 

[cryptic name]

Exactly. Batman 12 was the worst comic that's been released in the New 52. And that's really saying something. All exposition. Garbage.

Harper seems like another angsty teenager, and her character seems stereotyped to the extreme. If she becomes the new Robin I'm dropping the title.

Batman 12 was one of the most interesting mainstream comics I've read in some time. It expanded on Gotham (which has been something I've enjoyed in Snyder's work and he's been very good at), it gave us an interesting look at some of Batman's methods, and it delved into a fairly interesting character. Harper's relationship with her brother was great and very genuine, it was awesome character stuff. Very cool book especially the way it fit itself into the story line for being essentially a filler issue between arcs. It didn't have a lot of Batman in it, which I guess for some is a deal breaker. I just wish they hadn't switched artists at the end.

 

[Naked Shia]

I liked Snyder's work on Tec. It was good. Really good. The, I liked Batman until issue 6. Court of owl wasn't great, but it was good. Then it became painful with night of the owls.

It's definitely not on par with the awesomeness of Morrison, nor the great stories of Tomasi. Hurwitz The Dark Knight is fine so far. I'm waiting to see more of it though.

 

[Roose Bolton]

I'd love to see Hurwitz explore some more classic rogues, hopefully he can get a high quality artist onboard after Finch leaves.


Also DKR pt1 was utterly stunning. Probably my favorite of the animated features that Bruce Timm and co have put out.

 

[El Bastardo]

I wouldn't put it in the top 5 (that would go to Aquaman, Batman, Animal Man, Swamp Thing, and I, Vampire), but it's still pretty freaking great. Surprisingly I'm loving it for many of the reasons you mention. That and I like the whole Xanadu/Jason Blood/Etrigan love mystery.

For the record, I didn't say I disliked Demon Knights. I like quite a few of the pieces that compose it, else there'd be no sense in my having purchased the first year of it. All I said is it was horribly written.

Funnily enough, your Top Five I wholeheartedly agree with and I'd call the Top 5 of DC's first year, easily. I might hem and haw over Aquaman and see if anything else might fit, but that title certainly fits and has its place there. Good stuff.

 

[Naked Shia]

Batman 12 was awful imo. not because Batman wasn't in it, but it was boring as hell. Batman 0 was also quite dull imo. But I liked the second story.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

I thought #0 on the whole was okay. I liked that the story seemed to take an aspect of Year One and modernised it. Not a fan of Joker having a concrete origin, nor his ill fitting helmet.

But yeah, the backup story was great and something I'd love to see at the end of the next Batman film, provided Robin isn't already in it.