Official Batman Titles thread 2.0 - - - Part 12

[Scarecrow_King]

because it is.

 

[Lord]

I thought fans didn't like her being a prostitute, but yeah, her new origin is quite bad

 

[Scarecrow_King]

B:TAS had the best version of her. Rich socialite that seemed to be doing it just for the hell of it. They never gave a full backstory for her, which I thought was great.

 

[El Bastardo]

A bit more extended than above: http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=user_review&id=5197

It's done by one of the newer (and worse) reviewers they have working for them, but the necessary details seem to be there. Way to make a mark on the title, new writer.

 

[Mystirious]

I thought fans didn't like her being a prostitute, but yeah, her new origin is quite bad

I dug it

It was nice to have a sex worker character who wasn't a victim that needed 'saving' from her life

At least we still have Jeanette

It legitimately felt like I was watching porn the entire time.

There is actually a porn version where Alex and his gang are all hawt ladies

Don't forget a clockwork orange.

That movie is nightmarishly bleak but also so good

There was no prostitution involved. Basically she was a street orphan that got recruited into some seemingly altruistic corporate program that gave street kids jobs, which turned out to be not so altruistic. She did something to piss them off (I think it was looking through their computer files? It wasn't very clear), which led them to chuck her off a roof. Then yeah, she was licked back to life by cats

Then yeah, she was licked back to life by cats.

....

 

[Cain]

I'm so glad I stopped caring about Tim a few years ago.

co-sign.

 

[Scarecrow_King]

Tim was the character that got me into comics in a big way. I can't help but care about him.

Good thing this new person isn't Tim.

 

[Lord]

From Kubrick i only saw 2 films, Shinning and 2001, i watched Shinning with a friend and we didn't find it scary at all, after watching the tree of life i expected to hate 2001 but i really loved it, one of my favourite movies.

 

[Motown Marvel]

wow, all that teen titans and catwoman crap sounds REALLY bad. im just rapidly losing interest in all DC books. i dont think i've had an exceptional reading experience since this new52 has launched. and im feeling the possibility of that is becoming less and less possible with what they're doing with their characters.

 

[Rexian]

Now that I know Tim's New 52 back story...

I've officially decided. It hasn't happened. None of it. All the Robin's have kept their pre-52 origins and timeline. It's the only way I can feel better. I know not everyone liked Jack Drake being killed off in Identity Crisis, but that was done a thousand times better than New 52.

 

[Anubis]

Unless or course they do a 3 year long character arc that ties into his origins heavily so you pretty much can't ignore it.

 

[Rexian]

Unless or course they do a 3 year long character arc that ties into his origins heavily so you pretty much can't ignore it.

...I could see them doing that. Just so people have to 'accept' the new origin.

Oh well. If that happens, I'll just stop following him completely and stay in my happy candy-coated universe.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

B:TAS had the best version of her. Rich socialite that seemed to be doing it just for the hell of it. They never gave a full backstory for her, which I thought was great.

I don't even remember that origin from the cartoon, but I agree, it sounds like the best one I've heard. I wasn't really a fan of her originally being a prostitute either, in part because it came from Frank Miller and every woman is a prostitute to him.

 

[RoughNTumble]

yeah TAS version is boss

wish nocenti had seen something with catwoman besides batman returns

 

[Robin91939]

So I just caught myself on Volume One of The Court of Owls.

- It was good. I liked it. A traditional Batman detective story. I'm glad that this title hasn't gone to **** like all of the other "New 52" books.

- Could have done without the "twist" of Haly's Circus being relatively sinister.... but I liked the effect of it -- so I'll go with it.

- Snyder contradicts the new Tim Drake origin, he cites Tim Drake as "Former Robin, Current Red Robin." So, was he ever Robin or wasn't he? Make up your mind, DC! This just reeks of unreadiness and lack of preparation for the overhaul. The timeline needed to be hammered out better.

To that end...I need to ask:

What events took place?

Was Dick ever Batman? (Snyder just cites him as "Former Robin, Current Nightwing," not "Former Batman). Is Grant Morrison's run of Dick as Batman negated? Professor Pyg shows up, so some of it is in, but was Pyg a villain while Dick was Batman in this new time line?

Is Prodigal negated?

Did Bane ever break Batman's back?

Was Gordon ever shot by Catwoman?

When was Damian even conceived/raised? He's what? 11-12 and Batman's only been active 5 years? Did Bruce meet Talia and Ra's before he was Batman? Perhaps in his years training, taking influence from Batman Begins?

Did The Long Halloween take place? This is basically "Year 5." So Two-Face will have been active for 3 years now, right? Or are they going to retell that origin?

Does Cassandra Caine even exist?

Barbara was still crippled for a time and was Oracle, right? (Still pissed that that was retconed)

Did Bruce Wayne die (or was he Omega Sanctioned...) in this timeline?

They really messed up with this continuity overhaul. There are certainly ways to simplify it better, without having to erase some of the best and most classic stories from continuity.

-R

 

[Mystirious]

Batwoman issue zero was definitely the best out of all the zero issues this month I think. Loved it and can't wait for the next issue in a few weeks with her and Wonder Woman teaming up

 

[Roose Bolton]

Batman Inc would be my favorite, followed by The Dark Knight.

 

[Lord]

Say whatever you want but i Prefered Batman 0#, finally seeing a Red Hood Story with pre-Joker that is not a flashback is something i've been wanting to see since i started reading Batman comics

It's just a shame it wasn't a complete story but that part of his career deserves in least a mini series or a longer story like Batman and the mad monk and Batman: The Man who Laughs.

 

[Cain]

I'm glad that this title hasn't gone to **** like all of the other "New 52" books.

What a hyperbolic statement.


I don't think any of the bat books came close to being the best releases this month. They were actually some of the weakest number 0's out of the bunch.

 

[El Bastardo]

So I just caught myself on Volume One of The Court of Owls.

- Could have done without the "twist" of Haly's Circus being relatively sinister.... but I liked the effect of it -- so I'll go with it.

The twist worked for something that's always had ties to Gotham, to take it back even deeper. The twist would have worked better had Kyle Higgins put any bit of foreshadowing into his Nightwing run for some title synergy, but considering Snyder still writes a better Grayson than Higgins could ever hope to achieve, maybe it's for the better.

To that end...I need to ask:

Was Dick ever Batman? (Snyder just cites him as "Former Robin, Current Nightwing," not "Former Batman). Is Grant Morrison's run of Dick as Batman negated? Professor Pyg shows up, so some of it is in, but was Pyg a villain while Dick was Batman in this new time line?

Barbara was still crippled for a time and was Oracle, right? (Still pissed that that was retconed)

Did Bruce Wayne die (or was he Omega Sanctioned...) in this timeline?

Yes, yes, and I believe yes. They're all pieces from the most recent years of storyline (see below) and so are included within the realm of the reboot. At the very least, as you identified, Pyg is there. Snyder also uses Tiger Shark in #12, who was a villain Dick fought as Batman in Snyder's Detective Comics run. I don't know if they've been stated outright - with the exception of Barbara's crippling, which has been, and is a point of her title - but I believe they've been intimated.

Did Bane ever break Batman's back?

Was Gordon ever shot by Catwoman?

Did The Long Halloween take place? This is basically "Year 5." So Two-Face will have been active for 3 years now, right? Or are they going to retell that origin?


Does Cassandra Caine even exist?

These I'm not sure about. For whatever reasons, I don't think any of them have been referenced. We've seen nor heard anything about Bane, or anything about Azrael in the new timeline - nothing about Gordon being shot by Catwoman - nothing about Two-Face or Calendar Man - nothing about Cassandra.

It might all be old enough it was deemed not necessary to include within the realm of reboot.

When was Damian even conceived/raised? He's what? 11-12 and Batman's only been active 5 years? Did Bruce meet Talia and Ra's before he was Batman? Perhaps in his years training, taking influence from Batman Begins?

I'm not sure here. I believe other posters spoke to an editing discrepancy between two of the zero issues

They really messed up with this continuity overhaul. There are certainly ways to simplify it better, without having to erase some of the best and most classic stories from continuity.

Except that was the point - that was the entire point of The New 52. They wanted a clean slate for the majority of their franchises. In the case of Batman and Green Lantern, I believe, the assumption was that the past few years of storytelling had been so strong - and, really, the obvious point is they didn't want to offend Grant Morrison or Geoff Johns (not to mention the latter's executive position now), and possibly Scott Snyder - they would still be included within the new timeline, but most other characters would be reset.

Not liking it or agreeing with it, sure - that's opinion. Claiming they should have done it a better way when they actually did do what they wanted to, however, is kind of silly.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

Didn't Dick appear as Batman in Batman Inc #0?

 

[Roose Bolton]

Yep. Him and Damian.


Also Bane did break Bruce's back in the new 52, he mentions it in TDK issue they fought.

 

[Cain]

Catwoman never shot Jim Gordon though. It was a red herring. Officer Down isn't important enough to really matter to continuity anymore anyway.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Such is the nature of this new continuity unfortunately.

 

[El Bastardo]

I don't see what's unfortunate.