Official Cyclops/marsden Thread

What Will Cyclops' Fate Be In X3?

  • Dies At Alkali Lake

  • Never Faces A Life-Threatening Situation

  • Supposedly Dies Early But Returns In The Final Battle

  • Dies In The Final Battle

  • Goes On Sabbatical (after Alkali Lake)


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Look lets just all admit we don't know whats gonna happen. We all get on here and go thats suggestive of this, thats suggestive of that. If you make a conculsion first its easy to twist information to justify it. You do not know, I do not know. AICN was not the script, we now know they have made major revisions to it (especially since the Sentinels and now several other unmentioned characters have shown up). So we at this point cannot trust the information from that "script". I swear if I here one more "I know who is gonna die" or "why Cyclops will die" I'm gonna die.
 
Uhm, Sentinels?
Are you under the impression that some of the so called "scoops" we've gotten here are legit?
 
shadow

the fact is unless your friend is right and he has seen Mardsen at Vancouver in a restaurant , and that we are unaware of some scene that have been shot , Mardsen has not yet shot anything ..(and even if we don't know all the details , since shoothing began we learnt who was shooting)

even more: some pivotal scene have been shot from what we know ( at Xavier mansion , at the Grey house this past few days) without him.

so again , hoping that we are unaware that they shot some scenes with him, for the moment thing are not looking good..
 
do you think cyclops will at least fight someone in this movie?
 
Who knows. Maybe they'll film a nice scene where we see Rothman come in to b|tchslap him inmediately followed by Phoenix incinerating him. That way Rothman gets his revenge... :rolleyes:
 
Endeavor said:
Uhm, Sentinels?
Are you under the impression that some of the so called "scoops" we've gotten here are legit?
well that scoop also mentioned omega red and guanlet and that Cyclops would not die. I have proof for only half of what I just mentioned
 
Endeavor said:
Who knows. Maybe they'll film a nice scene where we see Rothman come in to b|tchslap him inmediately followed by Phoenix incinerating him. That way Rothman gets his revenge... :rolleyes:

hes gotta have some fight scene.....i mean think about it...hes the leader. :O
 
xwolverine2 said:
hes gotta have some fight scene.....i mean think about it...hes the leader. :O
I doubt it. I think he has a few scenes with Jean from what I understand. I kind of gotten the impression that he will be behind the scenes. It will be something like, "Guard the mansion".
 
Though details about the plot for X-Men 3 are sketchy at best, due to the studio's policy of tightly guarding the material, the most recent synopsis involves a geneticist (Shohreh Aghdashloo) who finds a "cure" for the mutation found in mutants, spurring the mutant Hank McCoy, known as "The Beast" (Kelsey Grammer), to seek a reversal for his condition.

X-Men 3 is directed by Brett Ratner and stars Hugh Jackman, Patrick Stewart, Shawn Ashmore, Daniel Cudmore, Famke Janssen, James Marsden, Ian McKellen, Anna Paquin, Rebecca Romijn-Stamos, Kelsey Grammer, Vinnie Jones, Ben Foster, Ellen Page, Olivia Williams, Shohreh Aghdashloo, Bill Duke and Michael Murphy.

The film is produced by Lauren Schuler Donner and Avi Arad, from a screenplay by Simon Kinberg, Michael Dougherty, Dan Harris and David Hayter.

The film is scheduled for release May 26, 2006. HNR will keep you updated on the latest news as it is made available.


Its odd how in all these articles that James Marsden name is prominantly featured...

I have seen this multiple times. It odd since it implies they reporters know that he is in the film (also that they list him as number 7 next to Phoenix) but are implication is nobody has seen him.
 
ShadowBoxing said:
Though details about the plot for X-Men 3 are sketchy at best, due to the studio's policy of tightly guarding the material, the most recent synopsis involves a geneticist (Shohreh Aghdashloo) who finds a "cure" for the mutation found in mutants, spurring the mutant Hank McCoy, known as "The Beast" (Kelsey Grammer), to seek a reversal for his condition.

X-Men 3 is directed by Brett Ratner and stars Hugh Jackman, Patrick Stewart, Shawn Ashmore, Daniel Cudmore, Famke Janssen, James Marsden, Ian McKellen, Anna Paquin, Rebecca Romijn-Stamos, Kelsey Grammer, Vinnie Jones, Ben Foster, Ellen Page, Olivia Williams, Shohreh Aghdashloo, Bill Duke and Michael Murphy.

The film is produced by Lauren Schuler Donner and Avi Arad, from a screenplay by Simon Kinberg, Michael Dougherty, Dan Harris and David Hayter.

The film is scheduled for release May 26, 2006. HNR will keep you updated on the latest news as it is made available.


Its odd how in all these articles that James Marsden name is prominantly featured...

I have seen this multiple times. It odd since it implies they reporters know that he is in the film (also that they list him as number 7 next to Phoenix) but are implication is nobody has seen him.


Am i the only one who noticed halle berry wasnt mentioned...
 
LinHao said:
Am i the only one who noticed halle berry wasnt mentioned...

Is that supposed to mean that she isnt in it? Because I think that she is, seeing as she is in pics and crap, dude.
 
cookiva said:
Is that supposed to mean that she isnt in it? Because I think that she is, seeing as she is in pics and crap, dude.

For some reason I found that funny. lol.
 
From Shadowboxing ...
Look lets just all admit we don't know whats gonna happen. We all get on here and go thats suggestive of this, thats suggestive of that. If you make a conculsion first its easy to twist information to justify it. You do not know, I do not know. AICN was not the script, we now know they have made major revisions to it ... So we at this point cannot trust the information from that "script" ...

ShadowBoxing, with all due respect, putting together clues is what I do for a living ... literally. I'm a historian; I try to reconstruct "what happened" from (often very) limited evidence. So I get a lot of practice at hooking together disparate clues, reading between lines, looking at what isn't said, weighting conflicting evidence ... etc. Wading through movie gossip really isn't that different. ;) Most of the same skills (and tricks) apply.

What I see:

1) In reaction to the leaked AICN script, writers and others say, "That script is months old. There have been a lot of revisions since!"

But, let me point out something. "Revision" is not the same thing as "substantial changes to the fundamental plot arc." A manuscript can undergo revisions -- even major revisions -- without altering the basic plot. Or said revisions may alter SOME plot points ... but others remain as they were.

PLEASE, let's stop confusing "revision" with "throwing it out and starting from scratch," or "everything's going to be different!" That's what I see a lot of folks doing. On the contrary, it sounds as if large chunks of that script plot ARE being used, revised or not.

2) James Marsden has been back in the country since at least August, I believe, or perhaps the end of July. His wife had a baby girl in early August, and I think she was born here (whatever their hopes that she'd be born in Sydney).

Yet he hasn't apparently been spotted by ANYone, in ANY set report. Maybe he's spending all his time in his trailer, changing diapers, but I doubt it.

Also, no one at FOX is talking about Cyke specifically in interviews. His name is being listed in the credits, yes. That means nothing. No one is TALKING about his presence on sets, or his character. How curious, if he has any kind of role. And I know (personally) one individual who was on the set as an extra for a major scene in which -- if Cyke's character did live through the film -- one would EXPECT him to appear. Yet he wasn't there.

That is what we call an "argument from silence." Just not seeing someone doesn't mean much except one didn't see him. BUT, not seeing someone when you should EXPECT to see him is much more criticial. Now, there may be a reason he wasn't in that scene even if he lives to the end ... but the fact he wasn't is very telling.

3) IMDb has updated X3 cast and crew data and his name has been moved DOWN. Now, I give very little weight to the IMDb, in most cases. They're notoriously unreliable to the point that actors find the thing funny. But again, it's a little odd that his name was up higher in the list with the other returning actors, but now it's down under the "listed in alphabetical order." Maybe someone "edited" the cast who has a hate-on for Jimmy. But maybe not.

4) Then we have these persistent rumors from various gossip rags who often like to undercut each other, yet they all agreed on the point about Cyke's death. The only rumors I'm hearing that have him living are from individual Joe Blow types who claim to have read the script. Maybe one or more of them have, but even the gossip rags have been strangely silent recently about Cyclops, with a few exceptions such as the recent "scoop" on the trailer description, something receiving very mixed reactions. We will at least know when the trailer comes out whether it's accurate.

But if it turns out to be bogus, and we see little or nothing of him in the actual trailer, then yeah ... I'd say the AICN report was true, and whatever revisions they did, it didn't include removing Cyclops' neck from under the axe.

ALL that said, this is one critical analysis about which I'd be ECSTATIC to be proven wrong. I'm just cynical, at this point. And the longer it goes with no sighting of Marsden, or (official) word about Cyclops, the less hope I have. And it pisses me off.
 
It's pretty clear that Cyke will either have a very diminished role (in a series in which he's barely appeared thus far), or he's going to die in a stupid degrading manner.

Case closed for me. I won't be going to X-3. Maybe I'll use the money I save skipping it to take in another viewing of Superman Returns. In fact, you can forget the maybe and make it a definately.
 
I was wrong....PEOPLE STILL ARE BELIEVING IN CYCLOPS!

That's why I created this thread: To let Cyclops fans vent out their frustrations without let IT ALL OUT in the rest of the forums.

Trust me, if Cyclops bites the dust early on in the movie, people will complain. Not just the mainstream or critics, but everybody. It doesn't make sense from a narrative standpoint AT ALL.

I'm still surpointing this flick, but with the possiblity of neglecting an important character like Cyclops is plain awful.

When certain people were like "Screw Gambit, Beast and Angel deserve to be in" I was upset. When those same people were like "Cyclops' death is Marsden's fault...blah blah" it's a major contridiction.

So those people want Beast and Angel in because they were the original team...but when the POSSIBLITY OF an original member like Cyclops dying off like a bum, they're like "Oh well"?

What?
 
Octoberist said:
I was wrong....PEOPLE STILL ARE BELIEVING IN CYCLOPS!

That's why I created this thread: To let Cyclops fans vent out their frustrations without let IT ALL OUT in the rest of the forums.

Trust me, if Cyclops bites the dust early on in the movie, people will complain. Not just the mainstream or critics, but everybody. It doesn't make sense from a narrative standpoint AT ALL.

I'm still surpointing this flick, but with the possiblity of neglecting an important character like Cyclops is plain awful.

When certain people were like "Screw Gambit, Beast and Angel deserve to be in" I was upset. When those same people were like "Cyclops' death is Marsden's fault...blah blah" it's a major contridiction.

So those people want Beast and Angel in because they were the original team...but when the POSSIBLITY OF an original member like Cyclops dying off like a bum, they're like "Oh well"?

What?

Not only an original team member, but the FIRST team member.:up:
 
Octoberist said:
Trust me, if Cyclops bites the dust early on in the movie, people will complain. Not just the mainstream or critics, but everybody. It doesn't make sense from a narrative standpoint AT ALL.
Totally agree. It's stupid to tell a story around Jean Grey ignoring a huge part of her life like that (not to mention the stupid way he dies in the AICN script review).
I still don't think he is going to die, maybe thay break his neck or something to keep him away of the action. If they kill him, perhaps they are not realizing that the movie audience is not going to eat the "coming back to life" ***** that we comic readers eat every 6 months.
 
Darthkush said:
Not only an original team member, but the FIRST team member.:up:
Well technically speaking, that was never established. Nothing about Scott was. He's not an orphan, he wasn't the first X-man, nor does he necessarily have a brother(who he may or may not be aware of). There is no backstory to him, so nothing defining him. The only thing the movies has told us is he likes to be in control, and he loves Jean, because he's said so. We haven't actually seen much of it. Certainly seen more intimacy between Jean and Wolverine. But because a few lines of dialogue says they love each other. Clearly... it means....
Meh.

Is it me or over the last couple days it seems more and more likely Scott is gonna die with a few mins of scenes at most? As foretold in the AICN script review. I guess its the complete and utter lack of any spotting of James at all. :down :mad: He's not even been spotted in Vancouver at all for frick sake. This looks bad.
He's either gonna die permanently, or he'll die/be in a coma for 99% of the movie and appear/revived at the end to mourn whichever X-men dies. [Ions feels very negative about this] :mad:
 
Octoberist said:
I was wrong....PEOPLE STILL ARE BELIEVING IN CYCLOPS!

That's why I created this thread: To let Cyclops fans vent out their frustrations without let IT ALL OUT in the rest of the forums.

Trust me, if Cyclops bites the dust early on in the movie, people will complain. Not just the mainstream or critics, but everybody. It doesn't make sense from a narrative standpoint AT ALL.

I'm still surpointing this flick, but with the possiblity of neglecting an important character like Cyclops is plain awful.

When certain people were like "Screw Gambit, Beast and Angel deserve to be in" I was upset. When those same people were like "Cyclops' death is Marsden's fault...blah blah" it's a major contridiction.

So those people want Beast and Angel in because they were the original team...but when the POSSIBLITY OF an original member like Cyclops dying off like a bum, they're like "Oh well"?

What?

highly agree with everything you're saying. making really great points.
im not hyped about this movie at all anymore. though thats just me. i cant see why it's marsden's fault, cause he "defected" to a DC project. He's an actor, he gets offered a job he likes, then he'll take it. the character of Cyclops needs so much development, but looks like yet again he's gonna be stuck in the background. quite dissapointed. :(
 
To everyone who is upset about the Cyclops dying thing (By the way, I agree with the whole Cycops is better than Wolverine/ James is better than Hugh thing and I also believe that Cyclops should get way more screen time...) the script or the plot or almost anything has not been revealed yet so WHY ARE YOU ALL SO SURE HE DIES!!! I'm going to hold up hope until the movie itself and besides Cyclops is a main character in the comics, it would not be wise to kill off such a major character.

P.
 
Porochaz said:
To everyone who is upset about the Cyclops dying thing (By the way, I agree with the whole Cycops is better than Wolverine/ James is better than Hugh thing and I also believe that Cyclops should get way more screen time...) the script or the plot or almost anything has not been revealed yet so WHY ARE YOU ALL SO SURE HE DIES!!! I'm going to hold up hope until the movie itself and besides Cyclops is a main character in the comics, it would not be wise to kill off such a major character.

P.

Why? Minisinoo summarized it very well:

Minisinoo said:
From Shadowboxing ...
Look lets just all admit we don't know whats gonna happen. We all get on here and go thats suggestive of this, thats suggestive of that. If you make a conculsion first its easy to twist information to justify it. You do not know, I do not know. AICN was not the script, we now know they have made major revisions to it ... So we at this point cannot trust the information from that "script" ...

ShadowBoxing, with all due respect, putting together clues is what I do for a living ... literally. I'm a historian; I try to reconstruct "what happened" from (often very) limited evidence. So I get a lot of practice at hooking together disparate clues, reading between lines, looking at what isn't said, weighting conflicting evidence ... etc. Wading through movie gossip really isn't that different. ;) Most of the same skills (and tricks) apply.

What I see:

1) In reaction to the leaked AICN script, writers and others say, "That script is months old. There have been a lot of revisions since!"

But, let me point out something. "Revision" is not the same thing as "substantial changes to the fundamental plot arc." A manuscript can undergo revisions -- even major revisions -- without altering the basic plot. Or said revisions may alter SOME plot points ... but others remain as they were.

PLEASE, let's stop confusing "revision" with "throwing it out and starting from scratch," or "everything's going to be different!" That's what I see a lot of folks doing. On the contrary, it sounds as if large chunks of that script plot ARE being used, revised or not.

2) James Marsden has been back in the country since at least August, I believe, or perhaps the end of July. His wife had a baby girl in early August, and I think she was born here (whatever their hopes that she'd be born in Sydney).

Yet he hasn't apparently been spotted by ANYone, in ANY set report. Maybe he's spending all his time in his trailer, changing diapers, but I doubt it.

Also, no one at FOX is talking about Cyke specifically in interviews. His name is being listed in the credits, yes. That means nothing. No one is TALKING about his presence on sets, or his character. How curious, if he has any kind of role. And I know (personally) one individual who was on the set as an extra for a major scene in which -- if Cyke's character did live through the film -- one would EXPECT him to appear. Yet he wasn't there.

That is what we call an "argument from silence." Just not seeing someone doesn't mean much except one didn't see him. BUT, not seeing someone when you should EXPECT to see him is much more criticial. Now, there may be a reason he wasn't in that scene even if he lives to the end ... but the fact he wasn't is very telling.

3) IMDb has updated X3 cast and crew data and his name has been moved DOWN. Now, I give very little weight to the IMDb, in most cases. They're notoriously unreliable to the point that actors find the thing funny. But again, it's a little odd that his name was up higher in the list with the other returning actors, but now it's down under the "listed in alphabetical order." Maybe someone "edited" the cast who has a hate-on for Jimmy. But maybe not.

4) Then we have these persistent rumors from various gossip rags who often like to undercut each other, yet they all agreed on the point about Cyke's death. The only rumors I'm hearing that have him living are from individual Joe Blow types who claim to have read the script. Maybe one or more of them have, but even the gossip rags have been strangely silent recently about Cyclops, with a few exceptions such as the recent "scoop" on the trailer description, something receiving very mixed reactions. We will at least know when the trailer comes out whether it's accurate.

But if it turns out to be bogus, and we see little or nothing of him in the actual trailer, then yeah ... I'd say the AICN report was true, and whatever revisions they did, it didn't include removing Cyclops' neck from under the axe.

ALL that said, this is one critical analysis about which I'd be ECSTATIC to be proven wrong. I'm just cynical, at this point. And the longer it goes with no sighting of Marsden, or (official) word about Cyclops, the less hope I have. And it pisses me off.

and i love cyke too.

Welcome to the hype.. :)
 
Yeah, Porochaz, everything is well sumerized by Minisinoo.

remember when the Batman Begins script got leaked. Hell, I read it. And when the movie came out, there were some dialogue changes, but the overall story structure was exact same thing. Before the movie came out, the producers said that it was an dated draft, not the current one. Hmmmm....

If Cykes dies in X3, I don't want an X4....even if Gambit is the posterboy.
 
There's a consistant rumor I keep getting saying that
Jean kills Scott upon their first meeting, but then she brings him back to life within minutes,
lol...don't know if it's true though, so take it only as a big rumor. :confused:
 
my god.. :eek: :o :down Lol

and he is in a coma after that?]
that is really becoming ridiculous.. :mad: lol
 
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