Official Cyclops/marsden Thread

[the a1ant]

Very nicely written, GreatWhiteWhale

 

[fazeforce]

First off - Marsden is a comic/mimic genius. This guy deserves to be a big star.

I would surmise that since Ralph Winters said last week on Xverse that Marsden had finished most of his photography for X3, that it was done over the past month and a half, and it was probably mostly studio stuff - things we haven't gotten any reports on thus far. Superan Returns has just come off of its 5 week break, so that would have given Marsden and Fox a decent amount of time to get through his stuff.

I hope. And so long as it didn't include a death scene, we cool...

 

[Ions]

So much vague unconfirmed info, I wouldn't bank it as proof of much. We really don't know what will occur. Time on set doesn't equal time on screen. As X-2 proved. James being there for 6 months didn't summon equal screen time as he got in the previous film. Since that isn't a golden rule, the reverse isn't necessarily untrue. I think Scott won't be involved in any of the action, which would greatly reduce the time needed on set. There's still plenty of time for both projects to get more screen time out of him. They can do some pick up shots later on if they wanna give him more screen time(hugely doubtful).

 

[the a1ant]

Ian Mckellen said he only filmed his scenes for X2 in a matter of a couple weeks (or something like that), so I'm sure they can get Cyke a good role (better than biting the dust at the beginning). X3's scheduling seems to be great, so hopefully they worked it out. And like someone said above, we have no clue what's been filming in studio. James could've taken a couple weeks when Superman had a break to film his role. Famke's still really a quiet bit of the film, that we don't know much about.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I agree with GreatWhiteWhale, and I also agree that most of his scenes have probably been in studio.

And it would make sense that he's not Xavier's aid, as, from what it sounds like, part of his role at least is going to be with Phoenix's rising at Alkali Lake.

So, if Cyclops is away from the team to deal with the Phoenix stuff, why would he be with the X-Men to deal with the Brotherhood and all of that?

I have a feeling that Cyclops has a decent role, and even when the script review said he ate it, I never believed he died, and I still don't. I just have a feeling most of his filming was in studio work, dealing with the Phoenix plotline, not with the Brotherhood, and the Cure, and all of that.

However, as GreatWhiteWhale said, there will probably be some kind of final battle at the end that Cyclops is a part of. After all, Winter said "most" of his filming is done, not all. So James still has work to do on this movie.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

This is a little confusing for me, it does seem that Marsden will play a decent sized part in Superman Returns, and be sort of a human counterpoint to Superman, but when were the blogs filmed? Do we know for sure?

Also, the alleged fan sighting saying that Jimmy and Famke are hanging out could mean he really is balancing his schedule between the two, or he could just be goofing with his friends Famke and Bryan on a day where he doesn't have to work.

We know that most of his stuff has been wrapped up, this leads me to believe that most of his scenes will be with Jean as we have heard hardly a peep from her aswell.

I'm speculating that , 'most' of his stuff being done means that he may still have to film for some ensemble action at the films climax, having the emotional and minor action scenes with the other characters already wrapped up.

I suspect that Storm and Wolverine will be elevated to Xavier's aides in this film (judging by the HNR pic) which means Cyclops doesn't necessarily have to fulful that role, I suspect he will be 'key' to a few scenes involving Phoenix and the X-Men, but not necessarily Magneto, Worthington, Bill Duke, Moira, Kavita, the Brotherhood.

You have to take into account that ALOT is going into this movie, there are ALOT of characters and plotlines being interwoven into a narrative, this does not mean that Cyclops won't get alot of screentime, it just means that, given the production schedule of the film, time economy is essential. So they will try and wrap up all the scenes where certain characters are involved in certain places and certain times.

Maybe Ratner wanted to wrap up all the Cyclops, phoenix, etc etc heavy stuff early on as there was a lot of SFX and editing to go with those scenes, not because they were killing the character.

We really don't have enough information at this point, there could be a number of things going on. Early script drafts, rumours and conjecture about inter-studio politics and schedulings can give you a speculative information to work with, but when it comes down to it, it is incredibly flimsly information to base an assertion on.

(I know it's your opinion, but it is always best to try and see a rounded perspective first)

I appreciate your objectivity. Well done with this post.

As far as Storm and Logan being Xavier's chief aides now, that doesn't discount Scott's involvement. He may be simply too emotionally distraught to lead the team at this time, and is taking somewhat of a sabbatical to get his mind back together. This is totally understandable and believable.

 

[CapBeerCino]

I said it before but I really wish they find an excuse ANY excuse to show cyclops visorless in this movie (a dream, a picture, Mystique, AU, ANYTHING)

Im also curious about him and Logan getting along now that Jean is gone and how the rest of the team is taking her 'death'. (That is if they find the time to show that - which i doubt with all the new characters to introduce...)

 

[Minisinoo]

Yes, I think Singer was trying to immitate Jimmy in the video. Not nearly as well, but then, he's not an actor.

And yes, Jimmy is an excellent mimic and has bang-up comic timing -- something that's actually pretty hard to pull off.

 

[x-alias]

I'm going to be optimistic and agree that, seeing as Famke HAS been filiming and we haven't heard anything about it, James has probably been working mostly with her. This would be good because we need some intense Jimmy-Famke scenes!

 

[heck13r]

if cyclops bites it he better be goin down saving the world, eyeblasts a blazing..taking like 20 guys with him.. or im walkin out lol

you know cap wouldnt get the shaft in an avengers movie. i however have heard a lot of rumors that i thought would come to fact that didnt ..so im not goin to write this movie off yet.. i do however kinda hate Arad and think that he dosent know his elbow from his butthole.. so in cases of Marvel comic movies i hold alot of thier fate in the hands of the director.. Raimi knew how he wanted to take spiderman and was able to shake the influence of the producers who wanted like 15 million characters in the story.. from what i hear of the sheer numbers of the x3 characters i dont think ratner was able to do that. so we'll see

 

[GreatWhiteWhale]

I said it before but I really wish they find an excuse ANY excuse to show cyclops visorless in this movie (a dream, a picture, Mystique, AU, ANYTHING)

Im also curious about him and Logan getting along now that Jean is gone and how the rest of the team is taking her 'death'. (That is if they find the time to show that - which i doubt with all the new characters to introduce...)

There is actually a very famous scene from the phoenix saga where Jean demonstrates her power by having Cyclops take off his visor and the Optic Beams don't hurt her.

It was mimicked in Endsong by Emma (If i remember right) and both times it was shown from the POV of the Phoenix, where you could see Cyclops's full facial features but everything was in red wash.

(There was a similar scene in the phenomenally early script draft, where Jean takes off his visor and shows her power, except uhh... it ends different than it does in the comics ).

Ironically, the more I read these threads about Cyclops and peoples concerns about character portrayal and death, the more I am confident that he will have a pivotal and memorable role in this film.

If you want a little taste at what may be to come, re-read the original phoenix saga (If you have it) I believe that this and Whedon's Astonishing is being used for inspiration of the material and character scenes. In the OPS, there are some great and shocking moments for Wolverine, Cyclops and Phoenix, aswell as Xavier and Rogue.

In case that anyone missed this there are also hints by Neil Gaiman, a famous author who toured the studios a couple of months back that one of the climax's will involve a fight between Wolverine and Magneto, in the classic vein of their conflicts.

Course that is all speculation but it is quite possible that a lot of comic book scenes will be used for reference, as Avi Arad has said, they are the greatest storyboards in the medium, and both Spider-Man (especially the sequel), X-Men, Hulk and Daredevil films used alot of the famous scenes and covers from the respective series's for 'emotive' sequences.

 

[TNC9852002]

And yes, Jimmy is an excellent mimic and has bang-up comic timing -- something that's actually pretty hard to pull off.

Yeah,...he's done quite a few impressions..

Didn't he do McKellen once?

-TNC

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

Didn't he do McKellen once?

Hmm. That question could be taken in a number of ways.

 

[TNC9852002]

Hmm. That question could be taken in a number of ways.

Yes. It will vary depending on the mental state of the reader.

-TNC

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Hmm. That question could be taken in a number of ways.

lol

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Course that is all speculation but it is quite possible that a lot of comic book scenes will be used for reference, as Avi Arad has said, they are the greatest storyboards in the medium, and both Spider-Man (especially the sequel), X-Men, Hulk and Daredevil films used alot of the famous scenes and covers from the respective series's for 'emotive' sequences.

This brings about a couple questions I've had, but this really makes me think of them.

As someone who's X-Men comic collection spans only about 80 issues (ranging from 151 to recent, and I also did buy issue #23), I know general histories and such, but not specifics.

What issues in particular were inspiration for X-Men and X2 respectively?

I heard somewhere that X-Men did have a lot of inspiration from the first issue of X-Men, but never having read it, I wouldn't know.

And I've heard X2 is inspired greatly by God Loves, Man Kills, but all I have of that is an issue of God Loves, Man Kills II.

But what issue #'s would you say were specifically used as inspiration for each movie individually? As I'd like to try to track those down and compare those issues to the movies.

And also, are there any scenes in the movies we have thus far that are pretty much taken straight from the comics? Like you said about the Phoenix scene where Scott takes off his visor and she controls his optic blasts and such.

 

[GreatWhiteWhale]

Well X-Men was based on the very early issues of Uncanny where the conflict was basically between X-Men and The BrotherHood of Evil Mutants (Strictly Superheroics, very little social commentary here), the Rogue/Wolverine storyline was an appropriation of Wolverine protector/teacher role in regards to Jubilee and Shadowcat (from early issues of X-Men, Wolverine and several mini-series, strict claremont stuff I think), and was also a little bit inspired by early episodes of TAS.
The Weapon X and Wolverines history is also from 200ish Uncanny comics, but he was never introduced to the X-Men this way, thats all Hayter's idea (I think).
As for references, the X-Men being chained and captured by Magneto (I Believe) is a reference to Wolverine #115 (I think) which was part of the Zero Tolerance issue. And some of the shots of Magneto may be references to X-Men 1 (not positive though).

Alot of the scenes from the school (Classroom and Teaching scenes) are appropriations from New Mutants, which is where the 'school' idea was expanded, although I could be wrong here, any die-hard fanboys know the specifics?

I think when Rogue steals Wolverines power after he stabs her is from an issue of Uncanny (355 i think?)

Gyrich and Senator Kelly are comic characters from the late 200's to early 300's.

X2 is not God Loves, Man Kills. It takes the villain from that series and appropriates him from Reverend to Colonel. It is not really based on any story, although connections can be seen to Zero Tolerance, which feaured an anti-mutant type gaining influence over the government and enforcing his own agenda. Similar ideas were done with Creed and Lang, in the early to Mid 200 issues of Uncanny.

The best example of a direct conflict between Magneto and Xavier (that I can think of) similar to what is seen in this film, is Fatal attractions, where X-Men 25 and Wolverine 25 where the climax. However, Xavier is much more aggressive in the comics than in the film.

Jason i believe is a reference to Mastermind from the Hellfire Club etc, but that whole final sequence at Alkali lake, with Cerebro and Magneto/Xavier etc i'm pretty sure is a complete invention of the film-makers (as with a lot of stuff in these stories)

Likewise, I can' really think of any Major comic references in this film, the battle at bobby's House seems familar but I can't pick it.
I'm sure there is a suburban battle in the comics somewhere, with trashed police cars and Magneto. Although I really might just be constructing it in my head.

Yeah, alot of X2 and X1 are 'inspired by' (funny that) the comics but I honestly can't give you a list of direct intepretations, although I'm sure there are a couple.

It does seem that X3 will be using the comics for more of a reference but I guess we don't really know do we?

 

[CapBeerCino]

i do however kinda hate Arad and think that he dosent know his elbow from his butthole..

Why? if it weren't for him you would still be watching the 90's cartoon for your x-men thrills.
Reminds me of how people are dishing Bryan Singer forgetting that those are his movies they're so fanatic about.

 

[conan69]

"Gyrich and Senator Kelly are comic characters from the late 200's to early 300's."

Gyrich plagued the Avengers for years in the late 70s and early 80s (When I was reading X-Men and Avengers). He was in charge of the team and making sure they followed govt protocol. There were some great scene of him pushing team members buttons and once the Vision became so angry with him, he picked Gyrich up off his feet and was about to beat him within a inch of his life before Capt A stopped him.

Sen Kelly,from memory first appeared in X-Men135 - though he and some other may have been showed in silhoutte earlier. Im not sure.

 

[GreatWhiteWhale]

Thanks Conan
It's always helpful to get the specifics of Comic Book lore.

 

[conan69]

The run on Avengers from about 160-200(its hard to remember exact issue #s) are highly recommended, this includes J Bryne and Goerge Perez runs on the book. Avengers had some rough spots in there after 100, but on the whole was a very solid book the first 200 issues. FOr me the book changed forever after the trial of Yellowjacket and I stopped reading it.


Of course the Bryne/Claremont X-Men come with the highest recommendation.
This is prob why I was so hard on the book after that run ended. It was so good that everything afterwards was a let down.

Both runs shows John Byrnes art at its absolute pinnacle. Simply IMHO the greatest example of comic book art, ever.


I gave up on X-Men after Paul Smith left the book, which was around 1985 I believe.


I saw 2 episodes of the early 90s cartoon,thought it was terrible, and never watched it again.

I saw one episode of Evolution.

 

[vanillacyke]

No offense but . . . CYCLOPS people!

 

[fazeforce]

Hmm. That question could be taken in a number of ways.

Dude, I know this was posted like hours ago, but just had to say - I am typing LOL and actually meaning it!!

 

[CapBeerCino]

I just finished watching x2 with the commentary on (This is what happens in no x3 updates periods) And when lady deathstrike takes cyclops down Bryan is saying "Its too bad Jimmy got so little to do in this film (he is soo great, etc...)"

Duh! and who wrote the script that way? (hint: B---n S----r)
And Bryan did cast Jimmy for SR so you can tell he loves his work...
Dont get it.

 

[PikaZeroX]

He was used enough in X1, X2 he got shafted hard. X3 ain't looking good.