Dark of the Moon OFFICIAL Dark of the Moon REVIEW THREAD

[CEREBRAL....]

ok let's see here. if you are asking me why are there no websites with TF 2007 quotes, I'd say the answer is simple, you not looking for them. Give it a shot.

I dont think i'm asking you, I'm simpling pointing out the cartoon movie had better lines...but i'm sure your reply will be that of "Its personal choice" so i'll just go with that for you.

Secondly, the more time a movie has to fester in society the higher it's chances are of being considered a classic. A movie of 4 years isn't going to have the nostalgic following of a film of 30plus. Heres a question, do you think there is more websites and literature about the LOTR movies of 10 years or the Books for 50?

again i was not questioning the amount of website for the film, i was basically saying the quotes are more memorable from the cartoon MOVIE then the live action movies plan and simple. If you feel different then that is obviously you.

to answer your question yes.
to throw it back in your face:

ahhh i dont think you're throwing anything in my face, but ok. *shrugs shoulders*

guess which movie those "memorable lines are from?

and correct me if i'm wrong, but once shall stand and one shall fall is originally from the cartoon movie-not created from a writer of these movies

and the 2nd quote is good, but is that original? I thought it was at one point, but then i thought i heard that quote some place else?? I'm just asking.

 

[bell110]

This is just something I noticed. I don't really mean to go on a rant here but it's just something I wanted to get off my chest. Now Avatar got a free pass from critics, general audiences, and fanboys solely because it had great 3D and visual effects and it was made by James Camron. The plot was a predictable borefest. Take away the 3D and visual effect and it was a pretty meh movie. (don't get me wrong I liked it but still feel it wasn't the greatest story wise).

Now I am not saying Micheal Bay is on the same level as James Camron as a filmmaker (he is not) but I think Avatar was James Camron's weakest movie. Dark of the moon may not have the greatest story, acting, or humor but the action and visuals effects are top notch. It seems the critics and fanboy trash it because its Micheal Bay and they all seem to hate him. That kinda seems unfair in my book. Not sticking up for Bay because I have seen him in some interviews and commentary being very arrogant and *****ebaggy.


I know Avatars plot didn't have plot holes or weak acting but it was boring and predictable. The story is flawed in this movie but in my opinion Sentinel's betrayal was more of a shocker than anything in Avatar's story.

Again not knocking Avatar or saying Bay is a better filmmaker than James.Just voicing my observations.

Are you Dennis Miller?

I'm kidding. I think Cameron gets a pass on a mediocre because Avatar's effects make the movie look magical and wonderous. Bay just makes explosions and has potty humor. Plus Cameron has proven himself as a film maker. Bay has only proven he's good at explostions and potty humor.

 

[CEREBRAL....]

Blasphemy.



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ha ha dont get me wrong, i enjoy the cartoon film, and because of these movies, it makes me appreciate the cartoon film more!

 

[Marvin]

I dont think i'm asking you, I'm simpling pointing out the cartoon movie had better lines...but i'm sure your reply will be that of "Its personal choice" so i'll just go with that for you.

again i was not questioning the amount of website for the film, i was basically saying the quotes are more memorable from the cartoon MOVIE then the live action movies plan and simple. If you feel different then that is obviously you.

Well, so I answered you question about the websites, so what are we left with now? "...it's a personal choice"

no kidding

ahhh i dont think you're throwing anything in my face, but ok. *shrugs shoulders*

and correct me if i'm wrong, but once shall stand and one shall fall is originally from the cartoon movie-not created from a writer of these movies

and the 2nd quote is good, but is that original? I thought it was at one point, but then i thought i heard that quote some place else?? I'm just asking.

like I said from the start

why are these lines so amazing and memorable when they are in the cartoon but all of a sudden you say the newer film has no memorable lines?
It has the very same bloody lines as the old films you love so much! This is the crux of the fan boy error. You love it in your memory of the 80's but when it's thrown back in your face in the 2007 movie, you say the movie had none of it.

now if you're asking about new original lines?
then yes that's a personal thing and yes you will also find them on new websites.

 

[bell110]

Maybe the concepts are just as silly, but the actual material is much more serious. Call me when you find the scene where Megatron paralyzes Sam's daughter and forces him to look at her pictures of her naked body in the G1 series.

Oh, is that the issue where Batman is fighting the Joker in a museum of giant musical instruments?

Ok, so find me a Golden Age Batman comic where characters are dropped into molten metal alive, or a character is fed to the sharks.

One could argue tim burton did

The point all of these filmmakers used the conceiving material.
Secondly Nolan used the "original comics"
Bay/Berg used the "original tv series" (with designs from the original japanese material)

transformers comics weren't the original anything, so to harken to them now is missing the point.

Burton brought the darker version of Batman to the mainstream.

I'm not talking about the Transformers comics.

Yes and no on the "conceiving material". Originally, Batman used a gun. Originally, Spiderman was bit by a radioactive spider and had webshoters. Also originally, the Transformers came here on ships, crash landed millions of years ago, and stayed in stasis lock until 85. Each film maker took the original concept, but didn't follow them exactly. My point is that comics of the 30's and 60's aren't any less silly than cartoons of the 80's. After all, they were all designed for kids.

 

[CEREBRAL....]

Well, so I answered you question about the websites, so what are we left with now? "...it's a personal choice"

no kidding

Look all you had to do was go on any of these sites and pick from your personnal perference if you will; quotes that you like, or feel will be memorable, plan n simple. If you did not want to do it, all you had to do is say so, and say you feel the live-action film had more...you never did that, all you did was go on about the 30 year old film will have more sites, blah blah when that was not what i was getting at or asking you to do. again plain n simple.

like I said from the start

why are these lines so amazing and memorable when they are in the cartoon but all of a sudden you say the newer film has no memorable lines?
It has the very same bloody lines as the old films you love so much! This is the crux of the fan boy error. You love it in your memory of the 80's but when it's thrown back in your face in the 2007 movie, you say the movie had none of it.

now if you're asking about new original lines?
then yes that's a personal thing and yes you will also find them on new websites.

The film had 2 lines that were from the orig. cartoon movie-that does not make the film's quotes memorable or as enjoyable, or more or less better or worse. It took a couple lines from another film, Deeming the movie in itself lacking (writer wise) in creativity because it could not or didnt create it's own "memorable" quotes. My point!



good/enjoyable movies you remember quotes from them right off the bat, over the test of time just confirms that.....

 

[rkv0006]

So I saw this lastnight. I don't even know why since I though the 2nd one was one of the worst movies I've ever seen. So imagine my surprised that I came out of this movie saying "Meh, not bad" and probably the best out of the 3. Action was good, the drama was good. There was a slow build to the action scenes, which I kinda dug because the last half of the movie was good.

Now here's my problem, even though I enjoyed it, THE STORY MAKES ZERO SENSE! And I mean in the context of the trilogy. What was the catalyst? What forced the Decepticons to go "Hey, we planned this space program bs 40 years ago, but lets take advantage now!". It's like this movie wasn't even related to the other 2.

I bet Michael Bay has to be kicking himself, well probably not because he's made a bajillion dollars off these movies, but the way this movie should have went, this should have been the 2nd movie, No Megatron, more Shockwave and have Sentinel Prime as the main villain. I don't even know why Megatron was even in this movie. He was rusted, busted, and was Killed off so easily by a one armed Prime.

And also the regular problems I have, the design of the robots. I mean he did a nice job with the Autobots this time cause he actually gave them colors, but the Decepticons another terrible job. And why the hell was Soundwave and car? Also, the other movies usually have a pretty good close. This movie just kinda ended. What a weird way to end a trilogy.

Anyway, In conclusion, Optimus Prime proved he was one of the biggest Badasses on the planet.

 

[Marvin]

Look all you had to do was go on any of these sites and pick from your personnal perference if you will; quotes that you like, or feel will be memorable, plan n simple. If you did not want to do it, all you had to do is say so, and say you feel the live-action film had more...you never did that, all you did was go on about the 30 year old film will have more sites, blah blah when that was not what i was getting at or asking you to do. again plain n simple.

I seem to recall you saying, you couldn't find any sites on google with quotes from 2007? I told you that one, you probably weren't looking, and two older stuff has more fan fare.

I didn't know you were asking for a homework assignment

The film had 2 lines that were from the orig. cartoon movie-that does not make the film's quotes memorable or as enjoyable, or more or less better or worse. It took a couple lines from another film, Deem he movie in itself lacking (writer wise) in creative because it could not or didnt create it's own "memorable" quotes. My point!

I ask you to give me memorable quotes, you give me two, and one for sure being from the orig cartoon-movie which makes my point more then yours.

You said Bay formers had no memorable lines period. I said it it had the same ones from the original that you seem to love so much apparently I find I was right.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

You said Bay formers had no memorable lines period. I said it it had the same ones from the original that you seem to love so much apparently I find I was right.

well then it's safe to say Bayformers has no memorable lines except for the one line they took from G1.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Spider-man is pretty silly, look at his rogue gallery if you don't think so. Ditto for Batman.

If you can make respectable movies from those comics you could do the same with Trasnformers. Just add some space opera and cyber-punk and you're good to go.

 

[bell110]

well then it's safe to say Bayformers has no memorable lines except for the one line they took from G1.

I can think of plenty of memorable lines from Bayformers.

"Nooo no no nononono"

"I'm under his... scrotum"

"Were you... *********ing?"

"It's an ass whooping, it's supposed to hurt"

 

[Marvin]

well then it's safe to say Bayformers has no memorable lines except for the one line they took from G1.

progress...
not every can live in complete ignorance forever

 

[CEREBRAL....]

well then it's safe to say Bayformers has no memorable lines except for the one line they took from G1.

ha ha thats one way of looking at it......

"marvin" it was pretty simple, if the movie was that much enjoyable to you, then you would be able to do what i ask. Just as you ask others to explain why they didnt like the film.


again taken bits n pieces from the orig, or one before doesnt not make the film enjoyable. Or even to be look at, as a mirror to the source material. come on, to anyone with 1/2 a brain can understand that. You champion these films so much that you fight to not get the point of somethings posters say.

that's how i see it, when dealing with you.

 

[CEREBRAL....]

"It's an ass whooping, it's supposed to hurt"

that line was good, had me laughing ha ha.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

The only thing that was memorable, for me, in this trilogy was Optimus Prime. His asskickings were Grade A stuff.

The Decepticons were represented pathetically. I mean, come on. Megatron, Soundwave, Shockwave, The Fallen, Starscream, Barricade, etc were some of the baddest mofos in the galaxy, and they were either killed off too easily and/or in the most asinine way possible.

 

[joypride]

the only thing bayformers got right is ...... butt and clevage shots of ross and fox, bumblee and sam bond.... i wish there delved more into their bonding .....

 

[Rowsdower!]

A few things that left me scratching my head. I usually don't care about plot holes in a movie like this, but these seemed so blatant that I think maybe I must have missed something amid all the yelling and explosions.

1. If Sentinel was working with the Decepticons when he left Cybertron, why did they try to shoot him down?

2. If the Cybertron War only took place in the 1960s as this movie seems to suggest, why was Megatron frozen in ice on earth since the year 1920 or whenever Sam's great, great grandfather found him?

3. Why did they need to humans to climb up to the top of a collapsing building to fire once shot at the central pillar when Optimus could have just flown up there in a couple seconds and blew it to hell?

4. On that note... there are SO many tall buildings in Chicago... and our idiot heroes pick the one that's already practically ripped in half. Come on.

 

[chaseter]

1. Obviously not everyone knew Sentinel's plan and that he had teamed up with Megatron.

2. You think that ship floated to the moon within minutes? It could have been floating in space for years and years.

3. Optimus would have been stopped by idk the dozens of ships and hundreds of bots around the city.

4. They needed to get close and at the same height so that if they shot off the rocket it wouldn't get intercepted.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

The answer to all of your questions is... Michael Bay.

 

[Marvin]

ha ha thats one way of looking at it......

"marvin" it was pretty simple, if the movie was that much enjoyable to you, then you would be able to do what i ask. Just as you ask others to explain why they didnt like the film.


again taken bits n pieces from the orig, or one before doesnt not make the film enjoyable. Or even to be look at, as a mirror to the source material. come on, to anyone with 1/2 a brain can understand that. You champion these films so much that you fight to not get the point of somethings posters say.

that's how i see it, when dealing with you.

sigh, you always do this you know.
"why can't people just..."

ok so I never said that
"taken bits n pieces from the orig, or one before doesnt not make the film enjoyable." I simply took your silly point, if you can even remember it, and threw it back in your face.
You said, and in not so many words, that bayformers had nothing memorable. You said it had no memorable lines. You said it had no memorable lines like the original did!
the precious ilk from the 80s.

what did I do was simply show you have oh so ironically wrong you were.
I never said jack all about if they took things from the original that it would make the film enjoyable(that would be more your line of thinking actually, and yes, that too is silly, I'm glad we agree)

Now if I start posting lines I found "memorable" from the first film, we could just argue in circles about if or not they are worthy of your standards. I'm not going to go that path, we've gone in circles over the topic of opinion have we not?

I'll just "deal with you" by way of objective deconstruction.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

1. Obviously not everyone knew Sentinel's plan and that he had teamed up with Megatron.

2. You think that ship floated to the moon within minutes? It could have been floating in space for years and years.

3. Optimus would have been stopped by idk the dozens of ships and hundreds of bots around the city.

4. They needed to get close and at the same height so that if they shot off the rocket it wouldn't get intercepted.

I'm starting to think Michael Bay has a SHH account

 

[bell110]

A few things that left me scratching my head. I usually don't care about plot holes in a movie like this, but these seemed so blatant that I think maybe I must have missed something amid all the yelling and explosions.

1. If Sentinel was working with the Decepticons when he left Cybertron, why did they try to shoot him down?

2. If the Cybertron War only took place in the 1960s as this movie seems to suggest, why was Megatron frozen in ice on earth since the year 1920 or whenever Sam's great, great grandfather found him?

3. Why did they need to humans to climb up to the top of a collapsing building to fire once shot at the central pillar when Optimus could have just flown up there in a couple seconds and blew it to hell?

4. On that note... there are SO many tall buildings in Chicago... and our idiot heroes pick the one that's already practically ripped in half. Come on.

1. They never say. I assume either the gunner was just shooting at an Autobot ship, or the shot was only supposed to graze him but accidently did more damage then was intended.

2. The Cybertronian war has been taking place for thousand of years.

3. Everything was being shot out of the sky. The humans had a better chance of sneaking around.

4. I believe they said that was the only place with a clear shot.

 

[Marvin]

1. Obviously not everyone knew Sentinel's plan and that he had teamed up with Megatron.

2. You think that ship floated to the moon within minutes? It could have been floating in space for years and years.

3. Optimus would have been stopped by idk the dozens of ships and hundreds of bots around the city.

4. They needed to get close and at the same height so that if they shot off the rocket it wouldn't get intercepted.

why bother
they tried their best to not understand it when it was shown to them visually, I'm sure they'll try just as hard here.
You'd have a better chance of explaining inception to them.

 

[chaseter]

The problem is they go hand in hand. The movies have writing problems, and one of the biggest problems is lack of screen time for the Transformers.

They obviously have script issues. But that has nothing to do with how people think the characters should have acted or what their roles should have been. People will forever whine that Joker wasn't perma white in TDK and people will forever whine that Optimus didn't have his face plate on more. Those people don't deserve to watch movies. Those aren't legitimate complaints.

 

[chaseter]

I'm starting to think Michael Bay has a SHH account

I am Michael Bay and you are Armond White.