Days of Future Past Official First Class News & Speculation Thread: Class Six

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I enjoy your different views on very similar situations. T3 is way better than X3 imo.

Not in mine. I think that X-Men: The Last Stand is leagues ahead of Terminator 3, both as a film, and even more importantly, as an important addition to an overall story being told that's bigger than just one movie.

Terminator 3 isn't an awful movie in it's own right. But I think it's a horrible Terminator movie. James Cameron did a superb job of wrapping up the story with Terminator 2, and leaving no loose ends. The story was brought to a full closure. Terminator 3 came in with an entirely different team, and forced it's way into the story, and served no actual purpose.

X-Men: The Last Stand may have been sub par compared to Singer's films in many levels, but at least it has the advantage of being needed, as the story from the first 2 movies wasn't finished. And even though it lacks in many areas, I still feel it exceeds Singer's films in many other areas, making it a very welcome (albeit frustrating) addition to the series.

 

[SuperSoldier985]

Wow, I'm totally reminded of the scene in X2 where Jason almost makes Xavier believe that he's regained the use of his legs.

 

[marvelrobbins]

I would be fine with DVD only having commantarys and Deleted scenes If we get all
Deleted scenes they are releasing.If Matthew Vaughn wants to discuss why he cut
them out I am fine with that.If Like on X2 we don't hear why they were cut I am fine with that.The Blu-Ray will get stuff the DVD won't.I just hope Fox doesn't screw DVD
buyers like Marvel did with Iron Man 2 where half the deleted scenes are just on the
Blu-Ray.

I hope we eather get a Commantary with Both Vaughn and Bryan Singer or a Directors commantary with Vaughn and Producers commantary with Singer alone or with lauren
Shuller Donner.Kinda strange we haven't heard anything from her on first Class.

With the terminator films I am one of few who thinks T2 Is a little overrated.

And It should be pointed out even James Cameron himself at one point considered doing another film back In the 1990's untill the Carolo producers got ahold of the rights back
In 1998.Last Stand Is much more inferior to X-Men and X2 that T3 was.Cameron himself once said he saw T3 and liked It,and felt he wouldn't have had the guts to do the ending where John COnnor and Kate Brewster are down In bomb shelter and the nuclear
holocaust exactly happens.

 

[marvelrobbins]

I would be fine with DVD only having commantarys and Deleted scenes If we get all
Deleted scenes they are releasing.If Matthew Vaughn wants to discuss why he cut
them out I am fine with that.If Like on X2 we don't hear why they were cut I am fine with that.The Blu-Ray will get stuff the DVD won't.I just hope Fox doesn't screw DVD
buyers like Marvel did with Iron Man 2 where half the deleted scenes are just on the
Blu-Ray.

I hope we eather get a Commantary with Both Vaughn and Bryan Singer or a Directors commantary with Vaughn and Producers commantary with Singer alone or with lauren
Shuller Donner.Kinda strange we haven't heard anything from her on first Class.

With the terminator films I am one of few who thinks T2 Is a little overrated.

And It should be pointed out even James Cameron himself at one point considered doing another film back In the 1990's untill the Carolo producers got ahold of the rights back
In 1998.Last Stand Is much more inferior to X-Men and X2 that T3 was.Cameron himself once said he saw T3 and liked It,and felt he wouldn't have had the guts to do the ending where John COnnor and Kate Brewster are down In bomb shelter and the nuclear
holocaust exactly happens.

 

[henzINNIT]

Not in mine. I think that X-Men: The Last Stand is leagues ahead of Terminator 3, both as a film, and even more importantly, as an important addition to an overall story being told that's bigger than just one movie.

Terminator 3 isn't an awful movie in it's own right. But I think it's a horrible Terminator movie. James Cameron did a superb job of wrapping up the story with Terminator 2, and leaving no loose ends. The story was brought to a full closure. Terminator 3 came in with an entirely different team, and forced it's way into the story, and served no actual purpose.

Every Terminator film acted as a conclusion to the story (until Slavation). I would rate T2 behind both the original and the third as a conclusion to the series. Every Terminator sequel is forced in also, as the first film was clearly a closed loop.

 

[psylockolussus]

I enjoyed Terminator 3.

Terminator: Salvation was the worst!

 

[henzINNIT]

Salvation is a cinematic abortion. I'd watch Wolverine on a loop before enduring two hours of McG molesting one of my childhood stories.

 

[akfj]

Cameron's short future scenes were better than anything McG could come up with for an entire movie. Pretty sad.

T3 is basically just guilty of being a retread of T2 and its use of goofy humor.

 

[Scarlettess]

So I thought I'd do an X-Men marathon the other night, and for some reason i couldn't find my X-Men Boxset with the first two, anyway i finally settled for having to watch X-Men 3 again, and it just made me wish that i'd gone to watch First Class again. The difference in quality and writing of FC is vastly superior in every way compared to X3. I don't hate X3 but First Class is definately up there with X2.

 

[Supermanreturns]

We've learned that the studio is "discussing sequels internally."

While there is not yet any formal announcement of a follow-up, it does show interest in continuing First Class rather than leaving it as a standalone origin tale.

Executives are said to be very pleased with what Matthew Vaughn achieved with the film. It scored an 87 per cent overall rating on the review aggregation site Rotten Tomatoes and has, to date, amassed $335million worldwide in just over four weeks on release. The budget is reported as $160million, reduced by tax concessions to about $135m, which has now been recouped from domestic (USA) earnings.

First Class has been the mutants' second highest earner (after X-Men: The Last Stand) in terms of overseas ticket sales.

Source: http://blogs.coventrytelegraph.net/thegeekfiles/

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

So I thought I'd do an X-Men marathon the other night, and for some reason i couldn't find my X-Men Boxset with the first two, anyway i finally settled for having to watch X-Men 3 again, and it just made me wish that i'd gone to watch First Class again. The difference in quality and writing of FC is vastly superior in every way compared to X3. I don't hate X3 but First Class is definately up there with X2.

I was watching a bunch of behind the scenes features on my X3 BR the other night... my like of that movie is no secret around here, but geez, I can't express how much I dislike Simon Kinberg and Zak Penn. I truly hold them most responsible for the outcome of that movie, and how far off the track it went in many places, including some rather cheeseball moments that they seemed to think was just this amazing humor.

I rate X-Men: The Last Stand so highly because I think it did do a lot of things right, and I do think it went in certain directions that perhaps should have been taken from the get go.

But it will always be the most frustrating of the series for me as well, because not only did it creatively go in the wrong direction in a lot of places (killing Cyclops, curing Rogue), but there are some moments where, as you said, the writing just is not as strong as the other movies.

It's one reason why I am surprised so many people hate X-Men Origins: Wolverine the way they do, because outside of a couple bad elements like adamantium bullets (which are fixed with the original mind erase sequence) and Stryker controlling Deadpool from a computer, I thought the movie was 100x better written and better paced than X-Men: The Last Stand. I just got the sense from Wolverine that it just allowed itself to breathe, and gave itself the time to develop itself.

That's not to say it was perfect, it was certainly underwhelming in many regards. But X-Men: The Last Stand I really felt was a case of extremes. The movie was either incredible, or cringeworthy. There were no in betweens. In the end I just felt like there was more good than bad, but I really believe that Kinberg and Penn are what kept that movie from reaching it's potential.

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I saw you post that in the Box Office thread (it was you, right?)

The news isn't surprising. I expected a sequel. I just don't know if I foresee it becoming a trilogy.

I guess it all depends on what direction Vaughn wants to take his series, but I could totally see a sequel (or sequels, in the unlikely event it does become a trilogy) which somehow puts the first class in a desperate situation, and Xavier needs to recruit a new X-Men team, and then the end of the movie showing us a new class of Cyclops, Jean, and Storm. Perhaps even Beast could stick around for this 2nd class as well.

Perhaps a nod to Giant Size #1?

 

[X-Maniac]

On the subject of re-watching the previous films, I have been working through my DVDs of X1, X1.5 and X2 before getting rid of them for good. I have had the Blu-rays of all the films since they were released but wanted to check through the special features on the original DVDs.

One thing that stood out is the picture quality of the old DVDs. On a large plasma TV, the picture was dreadful, almost unbearable.

Blu-ray is so much better, although on a small TV, you probably can't see as much difference between the two formats.

* And, yes, the writing in FC is much, much better than in X3.

 

[Sebastos]

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X-cellent, bring on the sequel dammit.

 

[JP]

My X-Men blurays make me very happy. Even X3 had a pretty spectacular picture quality. I haven't watch all the special feature because I couldn't get past Ratners awful commentary on the deleted scenes.

"Why did we cut this?"
"LOLZ I don't know!"

 

[the a1ant]

^The commentary p****d me off many times They should officially release a new edit.

X-Men: The Last Stand may have been sub par compared to Singer's films in many levels, but at least it has the advantage of being needed, as the story from the first 2 movies wasn't finished. And even though it lacks in many areas, I still feel it exceeds Singer's films in many other areas, making it a very welcome (albeit frustrating) addition to the series.

Agree 100%

 

[psylockolussus]

I wanna see Emma Frost and Banshee again! but damn I want my X4!

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

My X-Men blurays make me very happy. Even X3 had a pretty spectacular picture quality. I haven't watch all the special feature because I couldn't get past Ratners awful commentary on the deleted scenes.

"Why did we cut this?"
"LOLZ I don't know!"

So much. Those horrid commentaries are exactly what I was talking about.

Kinberg, Penn, and Ratner honestly are a bunch of morons. I don't have the hate for Ratner like most do around here, simply because I don't think he's as responsible for the film's outcome as a lot of people do. Kinberg and Penn, on the other hand...

Their reasoning for cutting the original sequence of the X-Men boarding the X-Jet:

"Well, this scene is all around better. Logan is more in character with who he really is from the comics, and the kids get a chance to shine.

But really, this scene needed to be cut cuz Iceman dominated the scene"

And that's a bad thing... why??? Oh yea, cuz you're a ****** writer.

 

[The Original Bamfer]

I think it was Ratner that made the choice to use the other scene. The fact that the "original" scene with an in-character Wolverine was written, challenging the kids, proves that maybe the writers had a few better story ideas than Ratner did.

 

[Angamb]

the rumours about the sequel have already started....

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!

you wanted them, there you have them.

t:

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I think it was Ratner that made the choice to use the other scene. The fact that the "original" scene with an in-character Wolverine was written, challenging the kids, proves that maybe the writers had a few better story ideas than Ratner did.

Touche. The original scene actually wasn't poorly written either.

It's just frustrating because, quite a few of the things that were done wrong with the movie were actually filmed right, but deleted, and put in the deleted scenes section of the DVD, instead of being in the movie.

Then again, there's some pretty awful stuff in the deleted scenes section as well. Like, Jean turning a metal cup into a nuclear bomb at Magneto's camp...

There was some stuff though that they said was cut because it didn't fit in with the sequence of the movie, and that doesn't make sense in so many occasions. I've seen a few instances in commentary where Kinberg and Penn are literally clueless to what's going on in the movie.

 

[The Original Bamfer]

Touche. The original scene actually wasn't poorly written either.

It's just frustrating because, quite a few of the things that were done wrong with the movie were actually filmed right, but deleted, and put in the deleted scenes section of the DVD, instead of being in the movie.

Then again, there's some pretty awful stuff in the deleted scenes section as well. Like, Jean turning a metal cup into a nuclear bomb at Magneto's camp...

There was some stuff though that they said was cut because it didn't fit in with the sequence of the movie, and that doesn't make sense in so many occasions. I've seen a few instances in commentary where Kinberg and Penn are literally clueless to what's going on in the movie.

For the record: (and this isn't directed at you, Nell, but to the general public) I do think we're straying off-topic, but as there is no news, I think it's acceptable to discuss other matters within the franchise - especially since the current topic relates to the 'X3' DVD which can be argued that it's relevant to what we can expect on the 'First Class' DVD. So, we're good to go.

I agree, Nell. Had they exchanged the scene where they boarded the X-Jet, as well as Rogue's decision, had Beast stay with the school and Logan leave and include the scene where Beast tried to inform Trask of Magneto's plan, the film would have felt more 'right'. We know there's more footage and dialogue that wasn't released as deleted scenes that we saw in trailers (ex: Trask telling the President he knows what they have to do, or something of the like; Xavier: "You have no idea what is upon us now.") These small changes were doable and could have made the film a few inches better. Granted, nowhere near the film I wanted, but still better.

 

[henzINNIT]

Their reasoning for cutting the original sequence of the X-Men boarding the X-Jet:

"Well, this scene is all around better. Logan is more in character with who he really is from the comics, and the kids get a chance to shine.

But really, this scene needed to be cut cuz Iceman dominated the scene"

And that's a bad thing... why??? Oh yea, cuz you're a ****** writer.

Not in a hurry to defend X3, but they made that decision with sound reasoning. For one, the deleted sequence is much, much slower, which would have killed the energy of them rushing out to stop Magneto.
Also, while Wolverine got to be more in character in the deleted sequence, it works against his arc in the film in becoming a willing member of the X-Men.

 

[merbass]

If you watch the scene carefully, Iceman's mouth and words that come out are completely different.

The best news today is the sequels discussion ! 2013 is already packed though. I hope we don't have to wait until 2014.

 

[Loganbabe]

Then again, there's some pretty awful stuff in the deleted scenes section as well.

What was up with the "Magneto - bearded" deleted scene anyway? Was it for real? I couldn't tell watching it, looked more like an internal joke, McKellan going Gandalf or something.

 

[Doctor Jones]

It seemed more jokey to me as well when I first saw it.

And they should have kept the deleted scene with Logan returning to the abandoned bar in Alberta from the first film. There are some deleted scene that could have made the film better and more watchable.

But anyway, I hope they make a sequel to FC.