Days of Future Past Official First Class News & Speculation Thread: Class Six

[marvelrobbins]

For the sequel I wouldn't be shocked If Bryan Singer were to take over as
director.Once he delievers jack The Giant Killer next June he doesn't
have a Immedate project lined up.I hope they Ignore what some online have
suggested by not jumping too far ahead or bringing In too many characters.
Like at how they handled X2.Dropping Sabretooth and Toad.Allows William
Stryker as Villian with Deathstrike as Henchwoman.Introduce 1 new X-Man
Nightcrawler.And beef up the cameos of Iceman and Pyro.

For First Class sequel Shaw and Darwain are gone.For villians you have
Magneto and Brotherhood formed at end of First Class.Go with them.Now
some of brotherhood might not survive the film but you don't need new
addations to Brotherhood.Introduce 1 New X-Man.My vote would be for
Polaris.In a late 1960's or early 1970's setting It Is possable for Magneto to have briefly been with woman when he was younger and knock her up and at this time Polaris Is In her teens.And give both Emma Frost and Banshee more
to do.

 

[Majik1387]

Why are you typing like that?

 

[BestGirl]

For the sequel I wouldn't be shocked If Bryan Singer were to take over as
director.Once he delievers jack The Giant Killer next June he doesn't
have a Immedate project lined up.I hope they Ignore what some online have
suggested by not jumping too far ahead or bringing In too many characters.
Like at how they handled X2.Dropping Sabretooth and Toad.Allows William
Stryker as Villian with Deathstrike as Henchwoman.Introduce 1 new X-Man
Nightcrawler.And beef up the cameos of Iceman and Pyro.

God, I hope not. Singer's X-Men movies were the blandest things ever. Vaughn's brought real energy to the franchise and I hope he doesn't leave.

 

[The Original Bamfer]

Kind of blunt, Majik, but it does make the post difficult to read. Actually, it makes me not want to read it at all. But there are no rules against formatting posts (well, aside from the obvious cap locks, massive letters, etc...) and that's not the topic of this thread, so... X-Men!

 

[The Original Bamfer]

God, I hope not. Singer's X-Men movies were the blandest things ever. Vaughn's brought real energy to the franchise and I hope he doesn't leave.

While I wouldn't call Singer's films bland, I do agree that Vaughn should stick with the franchise. His direction matched with Singer's influence and story really makes for something special.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

What was up with the "Magneto - bearded" deleted scene anyway? Was it for real? I couldn't tell watching it, looked more like an internal joke, McKellan going Gandalf or something.

It was for real. Ratner wanted to go "all out" with the Magneto-as-a-terrorist bit, but after filming it he thought it was too cheesy and cut it.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Not in a hurry to defend X3, but they made that decision with sound reasoning. For one, the deleted sequence is much, much slower, which would have killed the energy of them rushing out to stop Magneto.
Also, while Wolverine got to be more in character in the deleted sequence, it works against his arc in the film in becoming a willing member of the X-Men.

Wolverine already became a willing member of the X-Men when he came back to the team in X2. The fact that he came back period and suited up with the X-Men to go to Alcatraz shows that he was a willing member of the team.

But it shat all over Iceman's development. Iceman was developing from X2, and throughout X-Men: The Last Stand, as someone who was growing into his role as a member of the X-Men. He's the one that stands up for keeping the school open, he's the one who's about ready to showdown with Pyro in the streets, but then he's the one who's scared to go on the mission?

They crapped on about 2 characters in that scene so that they could make sure that Wolverine was the "dominate" character in every scene of the movie. As far as the energy goes, the energy is no slower than Wolverine stopping to give an inspirational speech. Only it's much more in character for everyone, because Wolverine is more in character, trying to protect the younger X-Men, and Iceman is stepping up and proclaiming that he's just as much a part of the X-Men as Wolverine is. It's a classic element from just about every incarnation of the X-Men that absolutely got crapped on in favor of making Wolverine more dominate.

I agree, Nell. Had they exchanged the scene where they boarded the X-Jet, as well as Rogue's decision, had Beast stay with the school and Logan leave and include the scene where Beast tried to inform Trask of Magneto's plan, the film would have felt more 'right'. We know there's more footage and dialogue that wasn't released as deleted scenes that we saw in trailers (ex: Trask telling the President he knows what they have to do, or something of the like; Xavier: "You have no idea what is upon us now.") These small changes were doable and could have made the film a few inches better. Granted, nowhere near the film I wanted, but still better.

I agree. In a way, I'm okay with them keeping the ending that they did. I kinda feel like if they kept the ending of Logan leaving, it would make the X-Men trilogy feel even more like "Wolverine and Friends", but I do believe that Beast should have stayed. And yes, keeping the original sequence of them boarding the jet, along with keeping the original scene of Rogue rejecting the cure would have helped immensely. And after watching the deleted scenes the other night, I agree with you on the scene of Beast calling Trask. On the commentary they say it didn't fit properly with the cut of the film, but it would have.

As much as I like the movie, I still feel like there's a better movie out there somewhere with all the deleted and alternate scenes.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Calling X2 and X-Men bland are fighting words.I prefer them over all the Spider-Man and Marvel Studio films.I still consider X2 better than First Class.

The Idea of Bryan Singer taking the reins of a First Class sequel If X4 remains only talk,and Matthew Vaughn for some reason doesn't return IS not far fetched since he was originally going to do First Class.

While I don't hold eather The Last Stand or Wolverine In great praise I find Wolverine more watchable.That Is probally because I came Into Wolverine with so low expections.

The Last Stand had many deleted scenes that shouldn't have been deleted.Beast staying at school,Rogue not taking cure,and Wolverine returning to bar from first film would have worked better.

Being postive on the Last Stand for a minute these are what I liked and worked

Nice seeing Danger Room on screen(we can debate rather they should have done the holographic version) and also seeing Iceman In ICe Form.

Both the fight at the Grey House are climatic battle are well done action(although I personally prefer X2 and First Class action scenes)

Patrick Stewart,Ian Mckellan,Hugh Jackman,and Famke Janssen are all very good(Ignoring any complants on the story) Kelsey Grammer and Ellen Page were fine addations to the Cast(and while Vaughn did cast Grammer Brett Ratner actully cast Page)

Halle Berry actully acted like she wanted to be In the film for first time.While I really liked her scenes with Nightcrawler In X2 In some ways The Last Stand was best portrayal of Storm In Films.

 

[lastairbender]

Fox wont have a panel at the next Comic Con right (apart of the tv series)? I thought that they would say something about XM FC, the sequel, or about The Wolverine as it starts filming soon. But it seems not....perhaps a surprise..

 

[The Original Bamfer]

It would be way too early for them to be there for a sequel. And the Wolverine film's barely even rolling yet.

 

[ciscostudent561]

another wolverin movie? yuck stop reminding me.

and the first 3 x movies were bland... completely watered down.

There is no way in hell that a brotherhood consisting of Sabretooth, Toad and Mystique could hang with storm let alone cyclops, jean and wolverine.

I promise you x1 and x2 are so difficult to watch with the watered down cyclops and storm. I mean its pitiful, we're talkin about a guy who can SEE you and send you to timbuktu in a milisec having trouble with a anthropomorphic frog.


When a guy like Riptide looks more destructive then the Goddess of the skies, you know somethings wrong.

 

[psylockolussus]

God, I hope not. Singer's X-Men movies were the blandest things ever. Vaughn's brought real energy to the franchise and I hope he doesn't leave.

If X1/X2 are bland, then TDK/BB are bland too.

X1/X2 were more fun compare to the Batman films.

 

[henzINNIT]

Wolverine already became a willing member of the X-Men when he came back to the team in X2. The fact that he came back period and suited up with the X-Men to go to Alcatraz shows that he was a willing member of the team.

But it shat all over Iceman's development. Iceman was developing from X2, and throughout X-Men: The Last Stand, as someone who was growing into his role as a member of the X-Men. He's the one that stands up for keeping the school open, he's the one who's about ready to showdown with Pyro in the streets, but then he's the one who's scared to go on the mission?

They crapped on about 2 characters in that scene so that they could make sure that Wolverine was the "dominate" character in every scene of the movie. As far as the energy goes, the energy is no slower than Wolverine stopping to give an inspirational speech. Only it's much more in character for everyone, because Wolverine is more in character, trying to protect the younger X-Men, and Iceman is stepping up and proclaiming that he's just as much a part of the X-Men as Wolverine is. It's a classic element from just about every incarnation of the X-Men that absolutely got crapped on in favor of making Wolverine more dominate.

Couldn't disagree more.

Yes, Wolverine had chosen the X-Men at the end of X2, but TLS ignores that in order to give him a hero's journey story. He is still "passing through" at the beginning of the film, and his development is all about letting Jean go and stepping up to lead the X-Men. His dialogue with Storm makes that perfectly, bluntly clear: "If you're with us, then be with us"
He could have acted more in character, but that goes against his arc.

Ice-Man's backbone wasn't exactly missed in the final film. It's a conflict that comes from nowhere, doesn't add much to his character.

 

[ciscostudent561]

If X1/X2 are bland, then TDK/BB are bland too.

X1/X2 were more fun compare to the Batman films.

in terms of action, of course the batman movies should be blander...
the main characters of X-Men can read minds, walk through walls, decimate tall buildings with a thought, etc etc etc...
in terms of potential, Batman TDK and Batman Begins exhibit a Bruce Wayne who's maximized his abilities... whereas the x1/x2 flicks we get watered down versions of Cyclops and Jean in both powers and personality.

 

[BMM]

What? How did we get a watered down Jean Grey in X2?

 

[ciscostudent561]

We def got watered down versions on x1

 

[henzINNIT]

Thank the budget. There's tons of stuff omitted from the first movie because of cost, sadly.

 

[Angamb]

the budget and Bryan's more realistic concept of the x-men/movie.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

We def got watered down versions on x1

No, we got great character development and an establishment of the themes that the X-Men world is built on.

 

[BestGirl]

If X1/X2 are bland, then TDK/BB are bland too.

I found BB to be monumentally dull upon my first viewing, but TDK is, and will probably always be, the pinnacle of comic book movies. But who knows, perhaps FC2 will replace it.

 

[JAK®]

Like at how they handled X2.Dropping Sabretooth and Toad.

I'm pretty sure that's because they died in the first film.

 

[Infinity9999x]

I'm pretty sure that's because they died in the first film.

You could have brought either of them back pretty easily. Especially Sabretooth. It was already shown that he had a fast healing ability, or at least an extreme resistance to injury. With Toad, you could have just said he survived the bolt strike. People have lived through lightning bolt strikes before.

I was personally glad they ditched Sabretooth for X2 though. I hated how they handled his character in X1. Great look, sure. But character wise he was friggin horrible.

That's my main beef with Singer's movies. He made a lot of great decisions...but then he'd go in directions with some characters that just had me scratching my head. Making Sabes and Lady Deathstrike mutes for example. What a waste.

 

[Project862006]

how was x2 bland as great as first class was vaughn was not able to recreate something as special as x men 2's night crawler attack on the white house

 

[BH/HHH]

how was x2 bland as great as first class was vaughn was not able to recreate something as special as x men 2's night crawler attack on the white house

Totally disagree the end actiom scene in FC was easily as good as that scene.

I will say that FC is a better paced film than X2 though.

 

[The Original Bamfer]

I think the Nightcrawler scene was easily the best action scene in 'X2'. 'First Class' had fantastic action throughout the film, though. And it only got better as the film went on. So as far as the overall action quality, I have to give it to 'First Class'.