Days of Future Past Official First Class News & Speculation Thread: Class Two

[marvelrobbins]

Wolverine was head of the ensamble In X2 but out of all X-Men films this one felt the most like an ensemble piece.

 

[TheVelvetOnion]

my question was
"What made you choose Emma Frost to play a part in "X-Men: First Class"? Overall, what do you think of her character in the movie? "

I wish i had put my name instead of annoymus - mind you i did ask 3 questions to bryan and this one got answered.

Im happy mostly because thats now Bryan Singer, Brett Ratner & Gavin Hood i have managed to get a response back regarding the X-men movies. Mind you Brett's was more wordy on e-mail.

 

[psyonic]

It's relevant to the questions Singer answered and is relevant to the topic of this thread. If you do not want to participate in the conversation, don't participate. But you have no authority to tell people what "****" they can or can't talk about.

That's funny. You sure like to tell people what they can or cannot talk about. I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks so.

 

[Hellion]

That'd be really nice. I mean, they've already contradicted a lot from 'The Last Stand'. If they openly admit to booting that film, they could even use Juggernaut and make him a real badass. Callisto, too, if they wanted to do the Morlocks, though I don't recall them ever actually calling her by name in the film. Her powers were completely different and she looked nothing like the character, so they could probably use Callisto again anyway. Same with Psylocke.

IIRC Arclight and Juggernaut were the only ones called by their codenames, while Multiple Man was called by his last name......

...With regards to names,...I still can't believe they mixed up Kid Omega and Quill in the credits...

 

[Matt Mortem]

The theater by my house was giving away small First Class posters. You bet your ass I got one

 

[The Original Bamfer]

This wasn't addressed at me, but I will say that you do appear to have a rather desperate need for X3 to be ignored.

The thing is that what happened DID happen. Singer DID move on from the franchise to SR, Vaughn WAS hired then left, Ratner WAS then hired, the movie WAS made, it DID come out on DVD, then Blu-ray, then on Quadrilogy box set. All that can't be undone.

Also, what happened at the start of X3 with non-disabled Xavier and Magneto meeting Jean was not inherently wrong or bad and it was not - at the time - contradicting anything. Nor was the inclusion of Moira MacTaggert. Also, what happened with non-disabled Xavier meeting the escaped mutant kids in Wolverine was not inherently wrong or bad, nor was the inclusion of Emma Frost. Those were not flaws. In fact, the end of XMOW was intended to lead in to the Josh Schwartz version of First Class (which, ironically, would have been closer to the First Class comic and more in continuity).

Singer and co are choosing to break continuity in a few places because it suits the story they want to tell, not because the depiction of non-disabled Xavier in X3 and XMOW was so dreadful or because including Moira in X3 was so dreadful.

The time setting of 1962 determines the ages of the characters chosen. Singer wants to use the Hellfire Club, therefore his Emma is going to be different because she will be around in 1962. Singer/Vaughn/whoever are choosing to violate continuity over things like Emma Frost because they want to have Emma Frost and the Hellfire Club in spite of it being in the 60s.

Singer said himself that storytelling choices would mean some 'concessions' would be made.

I think you are trying to project your dislike of X3 on to the filmmakers. I also think they are just making their choices based on what fits the story they want to tell, because they appear also to be going against some things that were established in Singer's own films.

I'm not bothered about continuity any more. in fact, I've given up on it because the franchise has now become what i previously called a patchwork quilt with many things that don't entirely fit. That's a shame but it's what happens when a franchise isn't mapped out from the beginning and when several different writers and directors all have a go at it.

Unlike you, I don't pretend to know what Bryan Singer and Matthew Vaughn think. All I know is I want to forget 'The Last Stand', and 'First Class' is certainly accommodating that. Now if you'd please stop trying to analyze me, I'd appreciate it. Psychology doesn't suit you too well.

 

[The Original Bamfer]

That's funny. You sure like to tell people what they can or cannot talk about. I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks so.

See how my username is red? That means I'm supposed to tell people what they can or can not talk about.

 

[protocida]

No, that's not what you are supposed to do, because, as far as I'm concerned, this is not a dictatorship.

 

[Kane52630]

No, that's not what you are supposed to do, because, as far as I'm concerned, this is not a dictatorship.

 

[The Original Bamfer]

my question was
"What made you choose Emma Frost to play a part in "X-Men: First Class"? Overall, what do you think of her character in the movie? "

I wish i had put my name instead of annoymus - mind you i did ask 3 questions to bryan and this one got answered.

Im happy mostly because thats now Bryan Singer, Brett Ratner & Gavin Hood i have managed to get a response back regarding the X-men movies. Mind you Brett's was more wordy on e-mail.

That was one of the better questions. I'm glad he said she'd be scary... we all saw the sexy. But now we can expect some of the ***** to come out, too. Well done.

 

[Manic]

This is an awful lot of animosity over such a small detail. What exactly will this movie contradict from The Last Stand, anyway? That Chuck & Erik both walked into Jean's house when she was 12?

*YAWN*

 

[The Original Bamfer]

No, that's not what you are supposed to do, because, as far as I'm concerned, this is not a dictatorship.

I'm a moderator. I moderate discussions. I keep them on course. I tell people that they can talk about a range of topics as long as it pertains to the thread topic. If people stray too far off-topic, I, like every other moderator and administrator here, will tell posters that they must get back on-topic. This has been one of many duties fulfilled by moderators throughout the years.

With that explained, let us get back on-topic.

 

[Wolverine1988]

See how my username is red? That means I'm supposed to tell people what they can or can not talk about.

Since i have been posting on here , you seem to really use your status on this website to really tell people what they can and can't talk about.Not to mention the second someone says something against you , you right away point out how you are higher than them and can ban them or whatever.


Unless were talking about Politics or World Issue, I don't see how it's fair you get to just bully people around.

Were talking about X-men in a X-men forum. sorry if you don't like some of the stuff you read doesn't mean other people don't like talking about it.

 

[marvelrobbins]

It's funny how some want reboot of X-men but find It hard to accept them sticking to X-men and X2 besides Ignoring lines of dialoge,Ignoring a 30 second shot of human Beast,and moving Magneto In conceration camp to 1942 from 1944 and Ignoring X-Men the Last Stand and X-Men Origins:Wolverine.Many Franchises have conterdicted things as they go on.Star Trek never nailed down the 23rd centruy as Kirk and Spock's timeframe till the films.The Original series gace conducting hints of anywhere from 22 to 28 centurys.Eaarly on The Enterprise was a united Earth and not Federation ship.

Rememering X2 we should not be 100 percent sure what Is happening In First Class till we see it.From comments and what has been reported Is why we can think they are doing to last Stand and Wolverine what SInger did to Superman III and IV.

 

[Kane52630]

I'm a moderator. I moderate discussions. I keep them on course. I tell people that they can talk about a range of topics as long as it pertains to the thread topic. If people stray too far off-topic, I, like every other moderator and administrator here, will tell posters that they must get back on-topic. This has been one of many duties fulfilled by moderators throughout the years.

With that explained, let us get back on-topic.

I feel like you should put that on your resume, just sayin.

This is an awful lot of animosity over such a small detail. What exactly will this movie contradict from The Last Stand, anyway? That Chuck & Erik both walked into Jean's house when she was 12?

*YAWN*

I guess so, if that's the case then i've seen worse contradictions in my cereal than X-men Last Stand.

 

[psyonic]

See how my username is red? That means I'm supposed to tell people what they can or can not talk about.

Wow your username is red, big deal. There are much friendlier moderators in this forum that don't boss people around. You're not supposed to tell people what they can or cannot say especially if they're not breaking any rules. You can't tell people they can't say something just because you don't agree with them.

 

[protocida]

I'm a moderator. I moderate discussions. I keep them on course. I tell people that they can talk about a range of topics as long as it pertains to the thread topic. If people stray too far off-topic, I, like every other moderator and administrator here, will tell posters that they must get back on-topic. This has been one of many duties fulfilled by moderators throughout the years.

With that explained, let us get back on-topic.

Too bad that's not what you're doing right now. What you are doing is shoving you "badge" to the face of everyone that disagrees with your views.

 

[marvelrobbins]

This is an awful lot of animosity over such a small detail. What exactly will this movie contradict from The Last Stand, anyway? That Chuck & Erik both walked into Jean's house when she was 12?

*YAWN*

Xavier being crippled In first class and then walking around when he finds jean at beging of Last stand Is a lot more than minor detail.Xavier Is one of most Important characters In the series.Plus that scene Influences a lot of what happens later.

 

[The Original Bamfer]

This is an awful lot of animosity over such a small detail. What exactly will this movie contradict from The Last Stand, anyway? That Chuck & Erik both walked into Jean's house when she was 12?

*YAWN*

It actually affects the entire Dark Phoenix storyline of 'The Last Stand'. If Erik hadn't been with Charles to meet Jean, he likely wouldn't know the amazing potential Jean had, therefor he'd probably be a lot less likely to have any motive to manipulate her, which means she probably wouldn't have killed Charles and he would have been able to reinstall the mental blocks and the anticlimactic Alcatraz destruction and Jean's second death probably never would have happened![/breathes]

 

[Iceman]

*YAWN*

Correct! t: It was all a dream anyway!

 

[The Original Bamfer]

Wow your username is red, big deal. There are much friendlier moderators in this forum that don't boss people around. You're not supposed to tell people what they can or cannot say especially if they're not breaking any rules. You can't tell people they can't say something just because you don't agree with them.

I have no issues with people who disagree with me.

Too bad that's not what you're doing right now. What you are doing is shoving you "badge" to the face of everyone that disagrees with your views.

I seriously have no idea what you two are talking about. You're mistaking me explaining me doing my job for "flaunting my badge". But I'm not like that.

This conversation is off-topic and probably becoming quite stale for those not involved. I know it is for me. So we're ending it now. If you'd like to contact another moderator about this issue, that may be your most productive option.

Now, back to X-Men.

 

[Manic]

Xavier being crippled In first class and then walking around when he finds jean at beging of Last stand Is a lot more than minor detail.Xavier Is one of most Important characters In the series.Plus that scene Influences a lot of what happens later.

It actually affects the entire Dark Phoenix storyline of 'The Last Stand'. If Erik hadn't been with Charles to meet Jean, he likely wouldn't know the amazing potential Jean had, therefor he'd probably be a lot less likely to have any motive to manipulate her, which means she probably wouldn't have killed Charles and he would have been able to reinstall the mental blocks and the anticlimactic Alcatraz destruction and Jean's second death probably never would have happened![/breathes]

You say that, yet I still barely give a damn about whether the movies contradict one another. The part of my brain that gets worked up over continuity errors in movie prequels was killed by the sheer absurdity of the Star Wars franchise.

 

[X-Maniac]

Unlike you, I don't pretend to know what Bryan Singer and Matthew Vaughn think. All I know is I want to forget 'The Last Stand', and 'First Class' is certainly accommodating that. Now if you'd please stop trying to analyze me, I'd appreciate it. Psychology doesn't suit you too well.

For someone who wants to forget about The Last Stand you sure do keep golng on about it! The people who loved the film mention it less than you do!!!

As for my 'trying to analyse you', I do believe my assessment is absolutely correct. I'm well-known among friends and colleagues as an excellent judge of character so i'm sticking with my observations.

The continuity of the entire franchise is now pretty screwed to be honest, certainly in the details as far as the observant fans (like us on here) are concerned.

I spoke to a couple of non-geeky friends about the continuity 'errors' etc and they shrugged most of it off, so the mainstream audience may not notice all that stuff. I remember one of our entertainment writers at work had watched X2 right after Wolverine and thought everything matched up perfectly - she never noticed the differences in the Weapon X procedure, etc, etc. Shocking but true.

 

[The Original Bamfer]

That's fine, but it's not your place to judge - and it's especially difficult to judge character when all you're given is a few lines of texts relating to someone's opinion on a film. And I think it's perfectly fine if someone enjoys all the films together. People are allowed to think differently you know.

 

[X-Maniac]

It actually affects the entire Dark Phoenix storyline of 'The Last Stand'. If Erik hadn't been with Charles to meet Jean, he likely wouldn't know the amazing potential Jean had, therefor he'd probably be a lot less likely to have any motive to manipulate her, which means she probably wouldn't have killed Charles and he would have been able to reinstall the mental blocks and the anticlimactic Alcatraz destruction and Jean's second death probably never would have happened![/breathes]

Hmmm. I don't know about that. Magneto's influence over Jean/Phoenix was minimal. I'm sure Magneto hoped he had won her over, although we later saw he hadn't. But her fury against Xavier was very strong, regardless of Magneto.