Days of Future Past Official First Class News & Speculation Thread: Class Five

[The Original Bamfer]

It was a bad movie. Why waste potential on undoing what simply can be forgotten?

 

[protocida]

^ It being a "bad movie" is a matter of opinion. And they aren't following up on the franchise. Why needlessly retcon something many people enjoyed?

 

[The Original Bamfer]

They've already retconned it with 'First Class'.

Also, every time Fox makes an X-Men movie, it's "following up on the franchise."

 

[kedrell]

Retconning it doesn't mean they take the DVD's off the shelves and burn'em. People who liked that film can still see it as much as they want. That doesn't mean we have to accept what it did.

 

[protocida]

X-Men: First Class doesn't retcon it as much as it retcons X1 and X2.

 

[JP]

Everyone who wants an X4 always has a list of forced ways of "retconning" X3 in order to move forward (cure is temporary, Cyclops didn't really die, etc.). All of that is completely desperate and heavy handed. No way you can tell a good story while having to appease a bunch of forced exposition. Make an X4, sure, but don't make the entire movie a way to undo what was done in X3.. just ignore X3 from the start.

 

[X-Maniac]

Retconning it doesn't mean they take the DVD's off the shelves and burn'em. People who liked that film can still see it as much as they want. That doesn't mean we have to accept what it did.

But I'm perfectly happy with Cyclops, Jean and Xavier staying dead. It gives more room to bring in some new faces. I'd be okay if Magneto was out of the picture as well, and if Rogue stayed cured. We have to allow films to move on and introduce new ideas and new characters.

 

[JP]

First Class kinda does that already.

 

[The Original Bamfer]

X-Men: First Class doesn't retcon it as much as it retcons X1 and X2.

Everyone who wants an X4 always has a list of forced ways of "retconning" X3 in order to move forward (cure is temporary, Cyclops didn't really die, etc.). All of that is completely desperate and heavy handed. No way you can tell a good story while having to appease a bunch of forced exposition. Make an X4, sure, but don't make the entire movie a way to undo what was done in X3.. just ignore X3 from the start.

Exactly. Or just not do a sequel to the "current day" films.

 

[protocida]

Everyone who wants an X4 always has a list of forced ways of "retconning" X3 in order to move forward (cure is temporary, Cyclops didn't really die, etc.). All of that is completely desperate and heavy handed. No way you can tell a good story while having to appease a bunch of forced exposition. Make an X4, sure, but don't make the entire movie a way to undo what was done in X3.. just ignore X3 from the start.

That's not retconning, that's using what the movie establishes. Cyclops' body was never found so he could be brought back if he needed to, and the cure is temporary, as Magneto wobbled the chess piece.

 

[X-Maniac]

Everyone who wants an X4 always has a list of forced ways of "retconning" X3 in order to move forward (cure is temporary, Cyclops didn't really die, etc.). All of that is completely desperate and heavy handed. No way you can tell a good story while having to appease a bunch of forced exposition. Make an X4, sure, but don't make the entire movie a way to undo what was done in X3.. just ignore X3 from the start.

You can't just ignore the deaths of Xavier, Jean and Cyclops, and the curing of Rogue, Mystique and Magneto. The general audience isn't that dumb, and neither are critics.

You need to move forward with most of those things still having happened, or you could possibly make the cure having been not what it seemed (there is a plot thread with Beast in First Class that suggests a possibility regarding mutant cures).

 

[Raiden]

It didn't send the right message. She had chances to take a cure in the cartoons too, but she in the end didn't do it. It's who she is. Especially considering how mutants are a great analogy to homosexuality and being a minority , so basically you're saying if there's a cure for that you should take it by having Rogue take the cure. It was just insulting. Plus like someone said it's regression. She started to accept who she was in part 2 just for part 3 to throw that out. Her having thoughts about it make sense, it's good drama. Her taking it? It was Wrong.

Exactly. Yes, Rogue's ability make her unable to have intimacy with others, but she's not the only one; Beast's blue & furry appearance pretty much rule any normal relationship out of the window as well. Rogue taking the cure sends the message that she's ashame of who she is, and instead of working toward accepting who she is, she decided to just screw it and take the easy way out. And after all that she experienced in the previous two movies, she just reached the conclusion that her mutant ability is bad after all? What a revelation.

 

[protocida]

^ Except that Beast can have girlfriend without killing them. He did in the comics, he does in the movies (Mystique in X-Men: First Class and even Storm at an early version of X-Men: The Last Stand).

 

[The Original Bamfer]

You can't just ignore the deaths of Xavier, Jean and Cyclops, and the curing of Rogue, Mystique and Magneto. The general audience isn't that dumb, and neither are critics.

You need to move forward with most of those things still having happened, or you could possibly make the cure having been not what it seemed (there is a plot thread with Beast in First Class that suggests a possibility regarding mutant cures).

I think he was suggesting you ignore the dreadful film ever existed... not those instances.

 

[protocida]

That'd be stupid.

 

[JP]

^ Except that Beast can have girlfriend without killing them. He did in the comics, he does in the movies (Mystique in X-Men: First Class and even Storm at an early version of X-Men: The Last Stand).

You're making things up again, Proto.

 

[The Original Bamfer]

^ Except that Beast can have girlfriend without killing them. He did in the comics, he does in the movies (Mystique in X-Men: First Class and even Storm at an early version of X-Men: The Last Stand).

Logan and Storm were together in the early version of 'Last Stand'.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

I'm hopnig X4 happens. it's something I never thought actually would.

 

[The Original Bamfer]

That'd be stupid.

It'd be smart, considering how stupid the movie was.

 

[protocida]

^ There was a lot of early versions of X3. Beast/Storm was in one of them. Wolverine/Storm was in another.

 

[chaseter]

HAHA it is true that everyone's idea of an X4 includes undoing what X3 did (cure is temporary, Cyclops isn't really dead, and Xavier is in his twin brother's body).

HAHAHAHAHAHA

 

[JP]

^ There was a lot of early versions of X3. Beast/Storm was in one of them. Wolverine/Storm was in another.

No.

 

[protocida]

It'd be smart, considering how stupid the movie was.

You don't know how movies work, do you? In order to accomplish that, you either don't make an X4 or make a complete Reboot. Which is much more needlessly complicated than moving on like the comics did.

 

[Raiden]

^ Except that Beast can have girlfriend without killing them. He did in the comics, he does in the movies (Mystique in X-Men: First Class and even Storm at an early version of X-Men: The Last Stand).

And Rogue in the comics has had a long-running relationship with Gambit. I'm just saying that there are other mutants who don't or can't have normal relationships as well, but just have Rogue running off for the cure seems like a step back for the character, instead of developing acceptance of who she is. For a character that has development for three movies, the way Rogue's plot ended was a whimper and a disappointment.

 

[JP]

HAHA it is true that everyone's idea of an X4 includes undoing what X3 did (cure is temporary, Cyclops isn't really dead, and Xavier is in his twin brother's body).

HAHAHAHAHAHA

Since 2006 that's all I've read.