Official Justice League Status Update Thread

[Showtime]

He's just an example of a director who wouldn't mind doing a Batman film. You never know. He could make a good film. He certainly did it with 3 Spider Man films.

That is up for debate, I think he did incredible with the first two films, not so much the 3rd. That being said, Nolan just surpassed all of them with Dark Knight. Maybe Raimi should do a 4th and see if he can beat Dark Knight.

 

[BATZARRO WWD]

I don't know. Maybe Warner ISN'T “ looking at how best to exploit the DC Comics characters and properties.”...right?

 

[Showtime]

I don't know. Maybe Warner ISN'T “ looking at how best to exploit the DC Comics characters and properties.”...right?

Of course they are, thats why they won't be doing George Miller's version of JL?

 

[Evil Twin]

Evil:

Many characters in JL the audience barely know exist. They are not as recognizable or know the basics like Batman or Superman. A JL film would define these characters for generations for the public and Hollywood itself.

The general public really is only unaware of Martian Manhunter, who's about as unlikely as any superhero to get a movie series, and Green Lantern. Four of the rest have had major television series/movies and Aquaman is well known, even if it's only due to Super Friends.

A JL film helping define these characters is only a bad thing if it's not a quality movie. And, IMO, we don't know enough specifics to answer that question. X-Men is leading to at least one solo movie, so there's evidence of that model working.

To me, JL is an easy sell. The World's Greatest Heroes team up. You can add "From the Award Winning Director of Mad Max" as a credibility enhancer too. And considering Brandon Routh and Tom Welling are, at best, B-listers, there's really only Batman to compete with from a credibility point of view. What you need to make JL work is to be able to sell it as an equal, but alternate, take on the characters that already have franchises.

FWIW, I doubt Christopher Nolan is going to walk away from Batman due to a JLA movie. He can probably name his terms and WB will meet them. But, no executive is going to let some director that doesn't have to answer to stockholders tell them what movies to greenlight or not greenlight. They may seek compromise and accomodation, but they won't capituate authority. Now, they may kill JL for other reasons, including concerns about audience confusion/acceptance in the market place/better alternatives, but they won't let a director dictate to them on their feature slate.

Edit: A complicating factor may be Christian Bale's contract. As far as I know, he, Oldman, and Caine are already committed to three Batman films and Christopher Nolan may not want to abandon them.

 

[Showtime]

So let me get this straight, a lot of people are taking comments from Gale and Miller as gospel that JL is happening, but they are throwing out the comments that involve WB trying to appease Bale and Nolan and "get them on board." Seems pretty selective to me.

 

[Michael Corleone]

So let me get this straight, a lot of people are taking comments from Gale and Miller as gospel that JL is happening, but they are throwing out the comments that involve WB trying to appease Bale and Nolan and "get them on board." Seems pretty selective to me.

Once people are convinced of something, they will resist any information to the contrary. It's an evolutionary fact. t:

 

[dnno1]

That is up for debate, I think he did incredible with the first two films, not so much the 3rd. That being said, Nolan just surpassed all of them with Dark Knight. Maybe Raimi should do a 4th and see if he can beat Dark Knight.

The way I look at it is that all three films made astronomical amounts of money (more than $700 million) and the last film in the series made the most ($891 million - Spider-Man 2 made the least yet it won an Oscar). This tells me that-many more movie goers when to see that film than the rest making it the most popular. I could care less how you felt about the film or any of the others. No film makes that much money unless it was great (not just good).

 

[The Major]

The general public really is only unaware of Martian Manhunter, who's about as unlikely as any superhero to get a movie series, and Green Lantern.

Okay.

Four of the rest have had major television series/movies

Do you mean Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman and Flash?

and Aquaman is well known, even if it's only due to Super Friends.

Aquaman never recovered from Super Friends.

Hollywood will only make it worse if they make a comedy film with it.

A JL film helping define these characters is only a bad thing if it's not a quality movie. And, IMO, we don't know enough specifics to answer that question.

Whether JL is good or not the movie will be the first time most of these characters have gotten exposure of that level.

X-Men is leading to at least one solo movie, so there's evidence of that model working.

The X-men were always a team from the start. It's the exact opposite concept to JL. Most of them don't have complicate origins or separate mythos anywhere near as dense as some of the Justice League members.

To me, JL is an easy sell. The World's Greatest Heroes team up. You can add "From the Award Winning Director of Mad Max" as a credibility enhancer too. And considering Brandon Routh and Tom Welling are, at best, B-listers, there's really only Batman to compete with from a credibility point of view. What you need to make JL work is to be able to sell it as an equal, but alternate, take on the characters that already have franchises.

Agreed.

FWIW, I doubt Christopher Nolan is going to walk away from Batman due to a JLA movie. He can probably name his terms and WB will meet them. But, no executive is going to let some director that doesn't have to answer to stockholders tell them what movies to greenlight or not greenlight. They may seek compromise and accomodation, but they won't capituate authority. Now, they may kill JL for other reasons, including concerns about audience confusion/acceptance in the market place/better alternatives, but they won't let a director dictate to them on their feature slate.

Okay.

Edit: A complicating factor may be Christian Bale's contract. As far as I know, he, Oldman, and Caine are already committed to three Batman films and Christopher Nolan may not want to abandon them.

Have actors gotten out of contracts like this before?

No film makes that much money unless it was great (not just good).

Tranformers sure was the critics darling when it came out.

 

[Hunter Rider]

The way I look at it is that all three films made astronomical amounts of money (more than $700 million) and the last film in the series made the most ($891 million - Spider-Man 2 made the least yet it won an Oscar). This tells me that-many more movie goers when to see that film than the rest making it the most popular. I could care less how you felt about the film or any of the others. No film makes that much money unless it was great (not just good).

So huge box office = great movie ?

 

[Dark Knight]

It's very simple. Do you really think WB is going to risk ****ing up their relationship with Nolan at this point?

I don't care what was said publicly in the past, Nolan (along with the likes of Bale and Charles Roven and the Superman team...among others) was 100% against Justice League from the start. I think some are downplaying how much of a major factor Nolan and the Batman team were in killing JLA at the beginning of 2008.

And now his Batman Begins sequel has exceeded damn-near every expectation by grossing well over $400 million domestic in a little over 3 weeks(!) Add to the fact that he is now a free-agent and can do whatever he wants, where-ever he wants.

There is no way WB is going to want to get on Nolan's bad-side after The Dark Knight becomes the 2nd highest-grossing film of all-time. The studio absolutely wants to keep him there and they badly want Batman III under his direction.

Justice League isn't happening.

Yep. WB's would be absolute LUNATICS if they rocked the boat with a talent like Nolan.

 

[TheVileOne]

I guess Blade Runner and some other movies that don't make any money must suck then, if movies can only be considered great by making the most money.

Dnno1's responses are now borderline on troll territory.

 

[Evil Twin]

So let me get this straight, a lot of people are taking comments from Gale and Miller as gospel that JL is happening, but they are throwing out the comments that involve WB trying to appease Bale and Nolan and "get them on board." Seems pretty selective to me.

I'm not taking anything as gospel. But I am suggesting that 1) WB doesn't have to appease Bale, he's under contract and 2) giving a director control over their slate is a bad precedent for any studio executive to consider. For all we know, Nolan was already appeased and JL was spiked solely due to budget/tax rebate and script concerns. Heck, for all we know Nolan is merely using JL as a means to get a pet project of his greenlit.

I'm doubtful that JL will move forward for a variety of reasons, but George Miller is a director with clout and the only one that's publicly talking about the project at all when it would be very easy for him to move on. Why shouldn't we take Miller at his public word over unsourced rumors?

I do think there's a juicy story to be told here which I don't think internet sites have really done a good job with. It's all the ingredients of an exciting novel with plot twists galore, competing personalities, politics, labor management disputes, and the wild card of fickle internet fandom.

 

[Showtime]

The way I look at it is that all three films made astronomical amounts of money (more than $700 million) and the last film in the series made the most ($891 million - Spider-Man 2 made the least yet it won an Oscar). This tells me that-many more movie goers when to see that film than the rest making it the most popular. I could care less how you felt about the film or any of the others. No film makes that much money unless it was great (not just good).

Now you get it. Finally!

Dark Knight is going to make over 700 Million WW easily, and is going to at least approach 891 Million WW. As you said, "no film makes that amount of money unless its great."

In conclusion, since Dark Knight is going to be the 2nd highest grossing movie of all time, the highest grossing comicbook movie of all time, and by your own analysis...it is great....

Then there would be no reason to mess with that by putting Arnie Hammer in a Batman suit on screen.

I'd like to thank you all for your time.

 

[The Major]

Yep. WB's would be absolute lunatics if they rocked the boat with a talent like Nolan.

Stranger things have happened.

 

[Showtime]

I'm not taking anything as gospel. But I am suggesting that 1) WB doesn't have to appease Bale, he's under contract and 2) giving a director control over their slate is a bad precedent for any studio executive to consider. For all we know, Nolan was already appeased and JL was spiked solely due to budget/tax rebate and script concerns. Heck, for all we know Nolan is merely using JL as a means to get a pet project of his greenlit.

All very valid points. I am saying that Nolan/Bale were a small part of the "Bad Break" pie for George Miller's JL.

I'm doubtful that JL will move forward for a variety of reasons, but George Miller is a director with clout and the only one that's publicly talking about the project at all when it would be very easy for him to move on. Why shouldn't we take Miller at his public word over unsourced rumors?

Bryan Singer is also a director with a lot of clout. He has said the Superman sequel is happening a large number of times. Also, Miller has clout, but not as much clout as Nolan has with WB right now.

I do think there's a juicy story to be told here which I don't think internet sites have really done a good job with. It's all the ingredients of an exciting novel with plot twists galore, competing personalities, politics, labor management disputes, and the wild card of fickle internet fandom.

A sequel to that Superman book.

 

[Evil Twin]

The X-men were always a team from the start. It's the exact opposite concept to JL. Most of them don't have complicate origins or separate mythos anywhere near as dense as some of the Justice League members.

Yeah, but for the most part, their origins aren't relevant to a JL film. What they can do, what their personalities are, are more relevant.

Heck, a dossier page on a computer screen might be easy enough to do, especially since Batman and Max Lord are probably both spying on the rest. Flash - super speed due to exposure to lightning and chemicals. Martian Manhunter - alien teleported to Earth. Strength, invisibility, shapeshifting, telepathy. Green Lantern - wields the power ring of an intergalactic police force. Aquaman - Atlantean. etc.

 

[Dark Knight]

Wouldn't a Nolan sequel please shareholders a lot more than JL? Considering the current Nolan movie is the biggest movie of the year, and on its way to being the second biggest of all time?

Exactly....but some people just don't get it and they never will.

dnno1 must be a buddy of one the warped decision makers over there at WB's. There are good decision makers over there at WB's, but there sure are a handful of bad ones with bad ideas at that studio.

 

[The Major]

Yeah, but for the most part, their origins aren't relevant to a JL film. What they can do, what their personalities are, are more relevant.

Heck, a dossier page on a computer screen might be easy enough to do, especially since Batman and Max Lord are probably both spying on the rest. Flash - super speed due to exposure to lightning and chemicals. Martian Manhunter - alien teleported to Earth. Strength, invisibility, shapeshifting, telepathy. Green Lantern - wields the power ring of an intergalactic police force. Aquaman - Atlantean. etc.

That's true.

 

[Dark Knight]

Stranger things have happened.

True....

 

[TheVileOne]

Considering what Nolan's done for WB, appeasing him and making him happy is exactly what they should be doing. Because that makes them money.

Also people seem to have this weird idea that JL is like the saviour project of WB and is going to be the biggest movie ever.

Again . . . The Dark Knight.

Also again:

The Dark Knight, Nolan, and Bale > dumb Miller JL idea.

 

[BATZARRO WWD]

Apeasing him is one thing, but I think Hollywood ussually does that with money, booze/drugs and/or ****es.

 

[Showtime]

Apeasing him is one thing, but I think Hollywood ussually does that with money, booze/drugs and/or ****es.

I can't argue that.

 

[Dark Knight]

Now you get it. Finally!

Dark Knight is going to make over 700 Million WW easily, and is going to at least approach 891 Million WW. As you said, "no film makes that amount of money unless its great."

In conclusion, since Dark Knight is going to be the 2nd highest grossing movie of all time, the highest grossing comicbook movie of all time, and by your own analysis...it is great....

Then there would be no reason to mess with that by putting Arnie Hammer in a Batman suit on screen.

I'd like to thank you all for your time.

YES!

"Lets put an end to this destructive conflict"

-Lord Vader-Empire Strikes Back

 

[Showtime]

So huge box office = great movie ?

Yes! Didn't you see X3 and Spiderman 3?

 

[Evil Twin]

Bryan Singer is also a director with a lot of clout. He has said the Superman sequel is happening a large number of times. Also, Miller has clout, but not as much clout as Nolan has with WB right now.

True. But Miller's last picture for WB was an overwhelming success, financially and won a pretty substantial award. He may not have as much clout as Nolan, but he probably has more clout than Singer right now. Especially since the buzz on Valkyrie isn't particularly good. What's Singer going to do if WB doesn't greenlight the next Superman movie? Miller has more leverage with a very successful movie to pitch a sequel too. And Miller probably does have the rights.

And, we really don't know if Nolan wants to use his clout against another director or wants to direct it in a way that's more beneficial to him. Heck, for all we know Miller and Nolan have already worked out a compromise.

That said, it's also possible that WB will simply exchange a greenlight on the next Mad Max movie for Justice League and all parties will go away happy.