Official Justice League Status Update Thread

[The Major]

$$$$

They'll only get that $$$ if they wisely execute their adaptions. Putting Batman in every movie is just a temporary solution at best. They need to know why Nolan's Batman films worked and follow procedures with fit other franchises with it.

We don't know when this genre is going to die out (It has several times in the past).

When did the genre die out before? What were the reasons?

Some say as a result of the WGA strike and the stalled SAG negotiations, the genre may have reached a pinnacle

It'll never reach its pinnacle as long as their are good stories to adapt and Hollywood does a good job adapting them.

Exactly why would the genre reach its pinnacle due to industry politics? Certainly other genres are affected by those conditions.

and may be dying right now (there will only be two films released next year).

All that means is that the studios weren't able to do more super-hero films that year. It doesn't mean interest has died off. TDK should be enough to encourage the studios to make more comic adaptions in the future.

Waiting longer and there may not be a market for the film.

I disagree.

people aren't going to forget TDK and Iron Man exist the second they leave movie theatres. The excitement will build back up when the public have something to see like their sequels or comic book movies just as good as they are.

Not only that but it will be more expensive to produce.

Doesn't it depend on the adaption and the people making it?

Doing it as soon as it is ready is a better approach for that reason.

What would be that reason?

I don't feel that it can hurt the Batman franchise since nothing has.

Agreed. They don't need to worry about Batman. They need to get the other super-hero franchises off the ground. They don't need JL to do that for them.

 

[solidsnake86]

The only problem was the first incarnation was practically a sequel to batman begins and even the dark knight with that sonar invention being like brother eye. What if nolan got upset because talia was being used, as well as other connections that he might have liked to explore in a third installment.

Especially after the story of the dark knight the third one needs to have all possible story options open and not hindered by the JL movie. Possibly after seeing a cut of the film WB realized this and thats why they told the writers to do a rewrite because why ruin a third movie with a potential one that was not getting love from most people.

 

[biolumen]

The only problem was the first incarnation was practically a sequel to batman begins and even the dark knight with that sonar invention being like brother eye. What if nolan got upset because talia was being used, as well as other connections that he might have liked to explore in a third installment.

Especially after the story of the dark knight the third one needs to have all possible story options open and not hindered by the JL movie. Possibly after seeing a cut of the film WB realized this and thats why they told the writers to do a rewrite because why ruin a third movie with a potential one that was not getting love from most people.

I agree that rewrites might have been an attempt to distance the movie from Nolan's Batman series. They could also have been an attempt at changing the movie to appease or accomidate Nolan in some fashion. Perhaps WB and Nolan are even having a dialog about the JL movie, addressing whatever Nolan might object to. Who knows?

As for that sonar thing in TDK, David Goyer had this to say about it.

IESB: Yes, I think we all were. We were really shocked. This is kind of a follow up because we also talked at the roundtable interview but there were elements in this movie that, and I have to ask because me as a geek and you are a self-professed geek, did we see the beginnings of Brother Eye with that sonar technology there?

DG: A tiny bit, I mean, we were obviously aware of that and we were also aware of that story arc in JLA, where Batman was spying on the other JLA members, it was like a tiny nod, maybe.

http://www.iesb.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5228&Itemid=99

 

[TheVileOne]

Incorrect. A little script polishing aside, the initial incarnation of the movie was ready to be made. Warners was willing to spend that kind of money because they were counting on getting 40% of the budget back via the Australian producer offset. When they were told that at most they'd get only 15% back via the location offset, Warners decided it was too expensive a movie to make down there, and perhaps too expensive to make anywhere. Subsequent rewrites were probably done to pare the budget down to make it feasable to film elsewhere. Whether they ever got the right combination of script and budget nailed down is anybody's guess.

Then it wasn't ready either way and its not incorrect.

 

[solidsnake86]

Out of all the comic book properties they have JLA is probably the one that may be ready to film if the script changes made were minor and production work already completed could still be used. If anything comes out of this project I would just like to see the WETA costume designs, hopefully they get leaked. Other than that I'm not too interested unless I know batman isn't in the movie and that the chances of a solo film for other heroes are not in the forseable future, meaning the next 5 years. I would really like to know what happend in that summit though.

 

[biolumen]

Then it wasn't ready either way and its not incorrect.

You imply the movie itself was not ready at that time when it clearly was. Circumstances beyond the movies' control were the cause of its delay. The movie gets the 40% offset, it's in production today.

 

[TheVileOne]

Keep telling yourself that biolumen. Because that's the only thing that will justify your last 6 months of posting here and on the IMDB boards.

 

[I Am The Knight]

As for that sonar thing in TDK, David Goyer had this to say about it.



http://www.iesb.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5228&Itemid=99

I think he was talking about the arc in the comics, not the JLA movie, though.

 

[biolumen]

Ah, I see. Yes, maybe so.

 

[solidsnake86]

Obviously they have major rethinking to do with this property and if they didn't it would be in production. I think it had more to do with TDK's performance than the 40%, because if it did the same numbers as BB we would be seeing a justice league film as a last resort. JL is not a last resort for batman anymore. Depending on what happens to superman it might be a last resort for that character if they cannot decide what to do with a solo feature.

 

[biolumen]

Yes, reworking is no doubt in order. But this is now and that was then. This movie was set to start before TDK ever opened, that's why the 40% is more relevant. As for Superman, there might not even be an option, JL or solo, depending on the outcome of the November trial.

 

[KBX]

The genre is not dying down because all Hollywood wants to do right now are remakes and comic book movies.

dnno1 is out of his element and does not know what he is talking about.

If this is all about money,

once again for the last time,

The Dark Knight = more money than Miller Justice League.

If dnno1 is out of his element and does not know what he is talking about, than how do you know for a fact that 1 movie will make more than another movie that has not even hit the theaters yet? Sure you can predict and I personally think Miller is a pretty good director. Im more than willing to give the guy every opportunity especially when we truly know nothing about this project.

As you said if its all about money than its smart for WB to make both the batman sequel AND JL.

The truth of the matter is your kinda delusional....no offense....but seriously are you that desperate to see a mediocre JLA movie in 2010, that will step on the toes of a film like TDK that will be #2 in the all time Domestic Box Office rankings??

You know its a mediocre movie? Thank you so I don't have to waste my money on it. This movie could out in 2010, but I think it may be 2011.

So let me get this straight, if somehow this movie gets made, and they use a Batman. Bale, Hammer, someone else doesn't matter. And they use him in a few scenes, not as many as the other characters, that will make TDK sequel lose 100 million, possibly more at the box-office? come on now.

 

[solidsnake86]

Realistically WB is not going to loose the rights, their just going to dish out money so I don't even know why people are even bringing that up. Even for the Siegels, its to their benefit to strike a deal where they can make money and still have the character exist. Without the superman trademarks the character is useless.

 

[TheVileOne]

If dnno1 is out of his element and does not know what he is talking about, than how do you know for a fact that 1 movie will make more than another movie that has not even hit the theaters yet? Sure you can predict and I personally think Miller is a pretty good director. Im more than willing to give the guy every opportunity especially when we truly know nothing about this project.

Here's what we do know. THE DARK KNIGHT is the highest grossing comic book/super hero movie ever. It will most likely be the second highest grossing movie of all time. So those guys did SOMETHING right.

As you said if its all about money than its smart for WB to make both the batman sequel AND JL.

Not if a JL movie messes up the Batman sequel, when Batman is right now the proven money-making brand, and doing JL risks messing that up. That's another frakkin' point.

So let me get this straight, if somehow this movie gets made, and they use a Batman. Bale, Hammer, someone else doesn't matter. And they use him in a few scenes, not as many as the other characters, that will make TDK sequel lose 100 million, possibly more at the box-office? come on now.

I read this paragraph several times and it makes no sense at all.

Here's something I'm not going to bow to at all. Making another series of Batman movies at the same time as another is freaking STUPID.

 

[Webhead2006]

Well thats the thing we dont know really whats up with the nov court thing and then what happens with shusters heir. I would hate to see Superman get ripped out of dcu. But more then likely WB will try their best to make a deal with the families to continue using the copyright and all that. But the nov court date will play a big factor in things once we know how much wb/dc has to give back to the siegels and all that.

 

[biolumen]

I agree that it behooves all parties to come to agreement. I just feel that if the courts rule that Warners must share a much larger portion of the profits with the Siegels, a movie involving Superman becomes that much more unlikely. Warners has a bunch of different superhero characters to exploit, not to mention all the potentially hugely profitable movies that aren't superhero related.

I don't know. Maybe I'm being overly pessimistic. I hope so.

 

[TheVileOne]

What sucks is that the Siegels and Shusters weren't making tons of money off their creation when they were still alive.

I mean, companies have such iron grips and are so strict about their intellectual property, but the actual creators like these guys get jack.

Stan Lee is basically a household name and television star now though.

 

[KBX]

Here's what we do know. THE DARK KNIGHT is the highest grossing comic book/super hero movie ever. It will most likely be the second highest grossing movie of all time. So those guys did SOMETHING right.

I never said they didn't do anything wrong. I love what Nolan has done.

Not if a JL movie messes up the Batman sequel, when Batman is right now the proven money-making brand, and doing JL risks messing that up. That's another frakkin' point.

Again having bats show up, whoever that is, for a scene or 2, doesn't mess up anything.

At best, if its happening, JLA will come out in 2010, at worst the 3rd Nolan movie will end in 2011. Its not like these franchises will be running side by side here.

I read this paragraph several times and it makes no sense at all.

Here's something I'm not going to bow to at all. Making another series of Batman movies at the same time as another is freaking STUPID.

This is not another batman franchise. Yes he may be a part of it, but no where as close to what you are leading on. Let me make things a little simpler. Having Bale show up in a JL movie, even if its for one scene, will that mess up the solo Batman franchise?

Best way to do this is what Downey Jr. did to TIH. He showed up, just for one scene. Now by him doing that, did that mess up the Ironman franchise? I don't think so

 

[dark_b]

Sure, a Nolan sequel would please the shareholders. Can he do one every year for the next decade? Because at Warners they're out of harry Potter books and need new successful franchises.

i forgot that the only franschise that WB can have is batman and JL t:

there are milions stories with fresh new ideas and characters where they can have their franchise. even a GL movie.

TDK will money for two big blockbusters.

 

[Antonello Blueberry]

i forgot that the only franschise that WB can have is batman and JL t:

there are milions stories with fresh new ideas and characters where they can have their franchise. even a GL movie.

TDK will money for two big blockbusters.

WB has lot of possibilities to choose from for its next big franchise, sure. But on paper what could be more successful that the live action adventures of a group with Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman and the others?

 

[dark_b]

$$$$

We don't know when this genre is going to die out (It has several times in the past). Some say as a result of the WGA strike and the stalled SAG negotiations, the genre may have reached a pinnacle and may be dying right now (there will only be two films released next year). Waiting longer and there may not be a market for the film. Not only that but it will be more expensive to produce. Doing it as soon as it is ready is a better approach for that reason. I don't feel that it can hurt the Batman franchise since nothing has.

the question is what does money mean to you. why do you care if WB makes money with JL? they did enough with TDK already. and its not even finished yet.

so again if you like the characters and the idea ok. but why money?

 

[dark_b]

WB has lot of possibilities to choose from for its next big franchise, sure. But on paper what could be more successful that the live action adventures of a group with Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman and the others?

lets make something clear. JL will not 100% make money.

the same was said for superman. it was the safest comicbook movie....

if you have the wrong script and the wrong time(realese date) your JL movie can bomb.

 

[Antonello Blueberry]

lets make something clear. JL will not 100% make money.

the same was said for superman. it was the safest comicbook movie....

if you have the wrong script and the wrong time(realese date) your JL movie can bomb.

The movie could bomb, but it's really difficult as the concept itself will sell the movie: the greatest superhero group of all the time.
And show in the trailer Superman beating the crap out of Batman and Wonder Woman (as he was supposed to do in the movie) and people will flock in the theaters.

 

[Jake Cassidy]

I have no doubt that a movie with SUPERMAN, BATMAN and WONDER WOMAN will draw people in. They're just 3 of the most well known and popular fictional characters of ALL TIME.

The movie actually being good is the real question.

 

[dark_b]

The movie could bomb, but it's really difficult as the concept itself will sell the movie: the greatest superhero group of all the time.
And show in the trailer Superman beating the crap out of Batman and Wonder Woman (as he was supposed to do in the movie) and people will flock in the theaters.

not anymore. after SR i belive that nothing is safe. a JL movie now is like any other movie.