Official Justice League Status Update Thread

[Evil Twin]

See, the comparison you make there, Spiderman and Batman, IMO there's a HUGE difference there. The tone of the Spiderman movies is WAY closer to what we know from the comics than Nolan's Batman movies. BB/TDK aren't much more fantastic than your avarage crime drama. Seriously, does anybody REALLY expect people flying around there? Please, go watch that movies again with that in mind...

Guys with gliding capes? A billionaire with his private arsenal driving a military vehicle around the city? Even blowing up things for no reason? Crazy clowns with apparently an endless supply of explosives and ways to smuggle them into places?

The "realism" of Nolan's Batman films is vastly exagerrated in the online community.

 

[Orin]

Thing is, you've got to compare that to other grounded movies NOT to the real world. Blowing up things for no reason, apparently endless supplys of explosives and ways to smuggle them into places are things you'd find in countless other movies. But that movies still wouldn't justify aliens flying around there. You've got to understand, NO movie is completley completely realistic. The way things happen there they happen to give the viewer an interesting story within the concept of an 3 act arc. That's not how the real world works. But if you create a movie world, there are still things that can and can't realisticly happen there, based on how you design that world. And Justice League stuff simpley is a hole other level than what we've been presented in Nolan's movies. Just look at how they try to find an explanation that kinda makes sense within a real world concept for pretty much every gadget he uses. That's how you have to apporach things in that universe. Again, even the original Ras al Ghul concept was to out of there for this movie and now you guys seriously think they should introduce Aliens, Guys that are able to run faster than the speed of light after being hit by an lightling, magical ring wearing intergalactic cops, Kings of Underwatercitys and Amazaon Warrior Princesses from mystical islands?

 

[Evil Twin]

Sure, but Nolan's Batman is a LOT closer to your typical superhero movie than he is to BICYCLE THIEVES. There's certainly room for fanciful microwave emitters, threats to poison the whole city, and sonar cell phone technology in Nolan's world.

 

[Orin]

Like i said, from my point of view all that is pretty far away from the stuff the other Leaguers are about. But at this point, this debate isn't relevant anyway. Cause for a JLA flick that incorporates solo universes, movies for The Flash and Wonder Woman as well as a new Superman and propobly even Aquaman would've to get off the ground frist. And personally it think that's gonna take a long long time, IF it ever happens at all. Bale won't be playing Batman anymore by then anyway.

 

[Webhead2006]

You are so true their. At this rate we will probably not see a jl film featuring most/all guys from upcoming solo films for another 5-10yrs at this rate. Since we dont know were flash stands, we dont know where aquaman stands, and ww/martian manhunter are two characters who likely wont see solo films first since most studios are leery of female lead action films. MM could happen more likely then ww but still less likely then flash/aquaman.

 

[Venom'sDad]

You just figuring that out?

 

[Webhead2006]

At this rate with all the troubles wb has been having with ww/mm/jl in general i rather take a high end motion cap/photo realistic cgi animated film for justice league. Since a full on live action one doesnt look like it will ever happen.

 

[Venom'sDad]

Well, I think it's been well known for a while that WB is completely unsure what direction to take with all of it's projects.

 

[MadVillainy]

Guys with gliding capes? A billionaire with his private arsenal driving a military vehicle around the city? Even blowing up things for no reason? Crazy clowns with apparently an endless supply of explosives and ways to smuggle them into places?

The "realism" of Nolan's Batman films is vastly exagerrated in the online community.

no sh**
I mean you know that parking lot scene where Batman is takin gout those mobsters one at a time...realistically someone would have shot him point blank while he was distracted.

That being said though, if the director of the movie cant see it then forget about i. I mean hes the one who had the vision for the movie. So if he doesnt see it f*** it. You can have another Batman the thing is the internets wont let anybody but Bale be Bruce Wayne/Batman

 

[The Guard]

Are you saying that superhero movies aren't as good if the world the hero lives in isn't just as fantastical as the character themself? Because he success of Nolan's batman movies and the Spider-Man films would say otherwise. Is the implication here that Nolan's Batman movies are unfaithful to the comics because they are less fantasy-based?

I don't know if that was their point or not, but it's a bit silly to suggest that the elements of the world Batman exists in is all that much less fantastical than he himself is. Seems to me that if he himself is at all outlandish in his capabilities, so is his world by extension.

Physics defying gadgetry
Secret evil ninja cults
Fear gas wielding doctors
Murderous clowns

Well (and I don't know if you were directing this at me or not) but I don't always think Bats in the JLA works that well in the comics. The Green Lantern: Rebirth was a good example. I was sitting there wondering why Bats showed up at the fight against Parallax, because honestly, he has nothing in his arsenal that could even dent Parallax. Bats' only asset is his "general"-like status and giving out orders and tactics and such, but since that's all he really has to offer, he might as well do it from the watchtower, or somewhere where he can't be easily killed.

So Batman can't outright beat every entity he encounters. But if you really think Batman's only asset is his ability to give orders and plan things...read more Batman comics, JLA comics, and comics in general.

It's all about being creative. You don't have to stretch what Batman is capable of all that much...you just have to be creative in how you use him.

Or not. Sometimes the simplest concepts are the most satisfying. As people have pointed out, the man has gadgets and a jet. Hell, I used the gadgets and jet in my JLA script, and even though it didn't work for Batman in terms of the story, I thought it worked well, and has worked well, every time I've seen it utilized.

To be clear, I'm not saying I don't think Batman works in the JLA. He does, but I come across certain situations where writers make Batman take on enemies that he simply shouldn't be able to handle, and that annoys me.

1. Why does it annoy you that Batman takes on people he "shouldn't be able to handle". This is Batman. Is it suddenly annoying that he's fearless, or appears to be?

2. Such as?

And people, there's no line of logic you can sell me that dictates that aliens flying around, even in Nolan's universe, wouldn't work simply because it hasn't yet. That's just silly, and it's basically saying that what has worked for decades, suddenly wouldn't work, just because you haven't seen it yet.

 

[Infinity9999x]

If you really think Batman's only asset is his ability to give orders and plan things...read more Batman comics, JLA comics, and comics in general.

It's all about being creative. You don't have to stretch what Batman is capable of all that much...you just have to be creative in how you use him.

Or not. Sometimes the simplest concepts are the most satisfying. As people have pointed out, the man has gadgets and a jet. Hell, I used the gadgets and jet in my JLA script, and even though it didn't work for Batman in terms of the story, I thought it worked well, and have, every time I've seen it utilized.



1. Why does it annoy you that Batman takes on people he "shouldn't be able to handle". This is Batman. Is it suddenly annoying that he's fearless, or appears to be?

2. Such as?

People, there's no line of logic you can sell me that dictates that aliens flying around, even in Nolan's universe, wouldn't work. That's just silly, and it's basically saying that what has worked for decades, suddenly wouldn't work, just because you haven't seen it yet.

It doesn't annoy me that Batman is taking on people he can't handle, it's when writers have him win against people when, if you use logic, there's no way he should. For example, there was a comic I was reading (I can't remember which one, sorry) but Batman was surrounded by a bunch of White Martians, and he had just crashed his jet. He gets out of it by lighting a match and tossing the match into the leaking gasoline, and surrounding them by fire.

Now, the Martians have super speed. They could have snuffed out the match, broken Batman's neck, and made a sandwich before Batman could blink.

Or the Superman/Batman issue, where Supes and Bats are both wanted, and about thirty superhumans go out to try and capture them. Now I can understand Superman taking out a bunch of Superhumans, and to an extent even watching Bats' back a bit, but when you have multiple people with superstrength/speed ect. ect, it's just ridiculous to think that Batman could last very long against them. Any one with moderate super strength could knock Batman out with a flick of their wrist, and anyone with even a low level of super speed could hit him twenty times before he could react.

It's when writers purposefully "forget" villains abilities to make Batman seem more impressive. When I see him taking on people like Amazo without some kind of protective bodysuit I just roll my eyes.

And I don't doubt that Batman could be creative, but against a villain like Parallax, what's he going to do? He literally has nothing in his arsenal that could have dented it.

 

[The Guard]

It doesn't annoy me that Batman is taking on people he can't handle, it's when writers have him win against people when, if you use logic, there's no way he should. For example, there was a comic I was reading (I can't remember which one, sorry) but Batman was surrounded by a bunch of White Martians, and he had just crashed his jet. He gets out of it by lighting a match and tossing the match into the leaking gasoline, and surrounding them by fire.

Now, the Martians have super speed. They could have snuffed out the match, broken Batman's neck, and made a sandwich before Batman could blink.

Doesn't fire blunt Martian abilities? I believe the scene in question is played as if Batman is surprising them, via the telepathic blocker dealie. Can't remember. The point of the scene is not to show that he can beat anyone he comes up against (though almost any hero can, if the writing is good enough), it's to show that they originally underestimate him.

So you're essentially annoyed that the writers don't have the villains foil the hero's plot and murder the hero, simply because they conceivably could?

He does, in fact, end up getting taken down in this instance, does he not?

Heck, the average criminal could probably shoot Batman in the space where his jaw is showing and take him down easily. Are writers stupid for not showing that happening?

Or the Superman/Batman issue, where Supes and Bats are both wanted, and about thirty superhumans go out to try and capture them. Now I can understand Superman taking out a bunch of Superhumans, and to an extent even watching Bats' back a bit, but when you have multiple people with superstrength/speed ect. ect, it's just ridiculous to think that Batman could last very long against them. Any one with moderate super strength could knock Batman out with a flick of their wrist, and anyone with even a low level of super speed could hit him twenty times before he could react.

A lot of things are ridiculous. A lot of scenarios heroes survive are unrealistic, fantastical, etc. The story in question...I've read that many times, but I don't remember Batman encountering many superheroes in combat, other than in disguise. Can you detail Batman's encounters with these other metas?

It's when writers purposefully "forget" villains abilities to make Batman seem more impressive.

That would be just about every time he doesn't die. And that goes for every hero out there.

When I see him taking on people like Amazo without some kind of protective bodysuit I just roll my eyes.

"Taking on" in what sense?

And I don't doubt that Batman could be creative, but against a villain like Parallax, what's he going to do? He literally has nothing in his arsenal that could have dented it.

Then he doesn't have anything in his arsenal to dent it. I would imagine Parallax would try to take Batman over, what with the "fear" angle. Actually, I think he did at one point. Almost.

But I digress.

So Batman may run up against something, some cosmic entity that he alone cannot defeat.

Kay.

Hence the point of there being a LEAGUE around him, and others.

I mean, Superman runs into pieces of green rock he's powerless against every so often. Should he be drummed out of the league?

 

[Polux]

Even if they tone the characters down, they're still going to be much more powerful than Batman. In Superman Returns, they powered Supes down, because they showed him struggling to slow down a plane's flight, yet he's still a hundred times more powerful than Batman is. If GL ends up being anything like the script indicates, GL is also going to be incredibly more powerful than Batman. In short, even if you tone them down, they're still going to be much more powerful than Bats is.

I keep seeing a lot of people cite Iron Man as being more "realistic" in terms of tone, but I thought it had much more in the realm of fantasy than BB or TDK. Tony is flying around in a high powered body suit that can blow up a tank, fly, take heavy artillery fire, and amplify his strength. That's much more fantastical than anything in TDK or BB.

Also, they havn't established Bats as having the tactical intelligence he does in the comics. At least there, he serves as a general of sorts, issuing orders and such. However, I still think it's rather silly when I see him in the midst of battle against superpowered beings. For example, in Green Lantern: Rebirth, Batman is at the fight where Parallax takes over the Guardian. What possible purpose can he serve there, other than issuing orders? He has nothing in his arsenal that could hurt Parallax, especially when the thing is in the Guardian.

What it comes down to is this: whatever the JL fight at the end of the movie, Batman really isn't going to have much to do. Because if there is a threat big enough to command the entire attention of the JL, Batman isn't going to be able to fight it. The only way I could see it working is if he's in a fighter jet of some sort, because I honestly don't see them giving him a superpowered suit if they want to keep it in the same realm as the BB and TDK Batman, since that world doesn't seem to have technology that advanced yet.

Mmmmm....

- Executing an abduction in a a Tokyo building in the time span of 2'30'' (timer in sticky bombs), including crashing in through a window and knocking out armed guards before bombs explode and "Sky Hook" pics up.
- Fight (and defeat) a complete S.W.A.T. squad tying them up without them noticing so you can use that as a distraction if needed (watch it again closely, they weren´t tied together, he did it).
- Turn a prototype sonar gadget into a sonar big enough to look over the whole city all by himself (if Lucious didn´t know, no one else did).

Not trying to get into an argument or anything, but that pretty much sounds like tactical intelligence and comic book Batman to me.


Polux

 

[Infinity9999x]

Doesn't fire blunt Martian abilities? I believe the scene in question is played as if Batman is surprising them, via the telepathic blocker dealie. Can't remember. The point of the scene is not to show that he can beat anyone he comes up against (though almost any hero can, if the writing is good enough), it's to show that they originally underestimate him.

So you're essentially annoyed that the writers don't have the villains foil the hero's plot and murder the hero, simply because they conceivably could?

He does, in fact, end up getting taken down in this instance, does he not?

Heck, the average criminal could probably shoot Batman in the space where his jaw is showing and take him down easily. Are writers stupid for not showing that happening?

Well yes, if we really want to go to that extreme, in real life Batman would probably be shot in the jaw on one his first days on the job and that would be the end of that. But I'm not vying for 100% realism here. In fact, I'm not vying for realism at all. I'm perfectly fine with good old fashioned escapism. I know that in real life, when Batman jumped on the scarecrows van in TDK, his knees would have blown out, because he feel about 30 feet without slowing his fall, but it's close enough to the realm of plausibility that I don't question it.

And I agree with you. I have read good examples of Batman taking on meta-humans and winning, using a combination of his intelligence and planning. One of the better examples for me is Hush, because there Loeb also makes it very clear that, had Superman not been holding back, he would have crushed Batman in a second.

The Superman/Batman story bugged me, because it showed Batman (and Superman) taking on Mongul, Solomon Grundy, and Silver Banshee, in addition to Lady Shiva, Nightshade, Mr. Freeze, Captain Cold, and Killer Frost. (and shortly after that about 20 others) And then, right after that, they go on to fight Green lantern, Katana, Starfire, Black Lighting, Power Girl, Major Force, and Captain Atom.

Now, Superman does try to handle more of the really powerfull superheroes, but honestly, when I see Batman jumping around in essentially this huge meta-human barfight, and not getting taken out, it makes me roll my eyes.

Now yes, Batman can be very helpful to a situation like this when the writing is good, but when I see him essentially just duking it out with the rest of them....well, I don't consider that very good writing, because when he's fighting someone like Powergirl or Green Lantern, who could take him out of commission literally before he could lift a finger, it just seems like the writer is dumbing down his opponents to up his "badass" factor.

The most extreme example of this is when I read an old Marvel/DC crossover, where Batman fights the Hulk. Batman releases sleeping gas in the room, and then kicks Hulk in the stomach...which actually makes Hulk gasp (even though Hulk has been shown to take hits from Juggernaut and the Thing with less reaction)...and Hulk inhales the gas and gets knocked out.

Basically, I don't want to see anything like that. Something where the writers dumb down his opponents to make Batman seem more powerful. Now, as I've said, I would have no problem with Batman in a jet of some sort while in the big climatic fight at the end, but I don't want to see him in a big meta-human brawl in just his suit, and somehow managing to not get taken out.

Mmmmm....

- Executing an abduction in a a Tokyo building in the time span of 2'30'' (timer in sticky bombs), including crashing in through a window and knocking out armed guards before bombs explode and "Sky Hook" pics up.
- Fight (and defeat) a complete S.W.A.T. squad tying them up without them noticing so you can use that as a distraction if needed (watch it again closely, they weren´t tied together, he did it).
- Turn a prototype sonar gadget into a sonar big enough to look over the whole city all by himself (if Lucious didn´t know, no one else did).

Not trying to get into an argument or anything, but that pretty much sounds like tactical intelligence and comic book Batman to me.


Polux

Good point, that was a pretty tactifully impressive scene for him. And I actually wouldn't mind seeing Batman orchestrate an attack with the other Leaguers, similar to a situation like that, against more high-profile enemies of course.

 

[protocida]

Nolan's Batman doesn't fit the Justice League world. Batman Begins's Batman I could see as member of JLA. The realism level in it was Iron Man-like, but The Dark Knight changed everything. Nolan grounded it in reality as much as possible (The Joker is the best example. No white skin, no laughing gas, no funny gimmicks, no classic sense of humor. Only a twisted version of an alredy twisted character). That Batman doesn't fit the world of Superman, Green Lantern, Flash and etc. While everything he did in Batman Begins and The Dark Knight, while impressive in it's world's standarts, it's pretty below the JLA's standarts. Using a different Batman, after Nolan's trilogy is done would be the way to go for me. The problem is Christian Bale. He became modern Batman's face. It'll be hard to recast him. Especially after his contract with Warner Bros end with Batman 3 (And I'm pretty sure he won't sign another).

 

[MadVillainy]

Bale I can see being replaced the problem is ppl accepting it. Thats the curse of the Nolanverse.

You make an interesting point about BB's Batman fitting in but not TDK's. Because when you do look at it BB and TDK are very different. As you said BB is realism but like Iron Man level where it's still fantasy like. But in TDK Nolan really tried to make the idea of a single man crushing organized crime "realistic".

I mean TDK is really a standalone film. Honestly you dont really NEED to watch BB to understand whats going on in TDK

and I think Nolan is going to do a trilogy. At least I think thats the plan according to what Christian Bale said http://www.firstshowing.net/2007/08/21/christian-bale-not-happy-about-justice-league-movie/

 

[ultrasuperduckman]

Man at this point I really wouldn't mind a stand alone JLA film. If it was done right and not by the director of Happy Feet, I think it could be amazing still.

I would like it to go the Marvel route, but that probably won't happen. So why not have a stand alone film? Do we really need to go over everyone's origin? Just have

It would be fine if it had a good director and good actors.

 

[The Guard]

Well yes, if we really want to go to that extreme, in real life Batman would probably be shot in the jaw on one his first days on the job and that would be the end of that. But I'm not vying for 100% realism here.

In fact, I'm not vying for realism at all. I'm perfectly fine with good old fashioned escapism. I know that in real life, when Batman jumped on the scarecrows van in TDK, his knees would have blown out, because he feel about 30 feet without slowing his fall, but it's close enough to the realm of plausibility that I don't question it.

I see. So you're not vying for normal villains being given a slight bit of intelligence and skill...you're upset that supervillains are being shown as pushovers?

The Superman/Batman story bugged me, because it showed Batman (and Superman) taking on Mongul, Solomon Grundy, and Silver Banshee, in addition to Lady Shiva, Nightshade, Mr. Freeze, Captain Cold, and Killer Frost. (and shortly after that about 20 others) And then, right after that, they go on to fight Green lantern, Katana, Starfire, Black Lighting, Power Girl, Major Force, and Captain Atom.

Right. "Taking on" in what sense? As in, all at once?

Well, the Superman/Batman story bugged me because Jeph Loeb has become a subpar writer who relies on gimmicks and splash panels and melee battles more often than not.

Now, Superman does try to handle more of the really powerfull superheroes, but honestly, when I see Batman jumping around in essentially this huge meta-human barfight, and not getting taken out, it makes me roll my eyes.

I'm really not sure why. He's shown the capability to take down superstrong opponents. He's master of what, like 127 fighting styles AND The Whispering Hand?

Now yes, Batman can be very helpful to a situation like this when the writing is good, but when I see him essentially just duking it out with the rest of them....well, I don't consider that very good writing, because when he's fighting someone like Powergirl or Green Lantern, who could take him out of commission literally before he could lift a finger, it just seems like the writer is dumbing down his opponents to up his "badass" factor.

I don't consider that very good writing either, but I also don't think a splash panel gives us much information in terms of whether or not Batman could plausibly defeat "villain X". I highly doubt a JLA movie would go that route.

The most extreme example of this is when I read an old Marvel/DC crossover, where Batman fights the Hulk. Batman releases sleeping gas in the room, and then kicks Hulk in the stomach...which actually makes Hulk gasp (even though Hulk has been shown to take hits from Juggernaut and the Thing with less reaction)...and Hulk inhales the gas and gets knocked out.

So you've got a case of a writer messing with the physics of a character. It's not like The Hulk has had consistent power levels over the years any more than Superman has.

Basically, I don't want to see anything like that. Something where the writers dumb down his opponents to make Batman seem more powerful. Now, as I've said, I would have no problem with Batman in a jet of some sort while in the big climatic fight at the end, but I don't want to see him in a big meta-human brawl in just his suit, and somehow managing to not get taken out.

I doubt we'd see that.

Nolan's Batman doesn't fit the Justice League world. Batman Begins's Batman I could see as member of JLA.

Umm...

The realism level in it was Iron Man-like, but The Dark Knight changed everything.

Why?

What does Nolan's portrayal of The Joker have to do with his Batman?

While everything he did in Batman Begins and The Dark Knight, while impressive in it's world's standarts, it's pretty below the JLA's standards.

Can you elaborate?

 

[protocida]

Why?

What does Nolan's portrayal of The Joker have to do with his Batman?

I was exemplificating.

Can you elaborate?

Batman had a hard time against dogs.

Can you see this same Batman fighting aliens, sorcerers and supervillains?

 

[Webhead2006]

well yea their is alot of different factors to look into here with bb/tdk batman and if and how he could fit into a jl world.

 

[Venom'sDad]

I see it more of an if problem, than a how problem.

 

[Infinity9999x]

I see. So you're not vying for normal villains being given a slight bit of intelligence and skill...you're upset that supervillains are being shown as pushovers?


Right. "Taking on" in what sense? As in, all at once?

Well, the Superman/Batman story bugged me because Jeph Loeb has become a subpar writer who relies on gimmicks and splash panels and melee battles more often than not.

I'm really not sure why. He's shown the capability to take down superstrong opponents. He's master of what, like 127 fighting styles AND The Whispering Hand?

Loeb's writing style has bothered me a bit as of late as well. I think the only thing I really enjoyed from him was Hush, and that was what? 4 or 5 years ago now? And even then, I thought it was overrated.

However, despite all the skills Batman has learned, it's still not going to do diddly against a woman like Powergirl, who can move fast enough to knock out Batman, fly him to a jail and tie him up in a pretty pink bowtie, and be back to the fight with Superman before Batman could blink, or someone like Green Lantern who could immobilize Bats with a thought from a long distance away.

And your mention of his skills brings up another point that has always bugged me. I find it extremely annoying when writers start listing that Batman has mastered 100+ fighting techniques, is a olympian-level gymnast, and yet can still somehow bench 500 plus pounds, all the while having a super-genius intellect. I mean, for the love of pete, I thought he wasn't supposed to have powers? That right there is more super than half of the actual super-heroes out there! Not to mention just as implausible. I'm all for Batman being skilled, but don't tell me a guy can maintain the flexibility of an olympian gymnast and still bench 500 to 600 pounds. It's not physically possible.

But what really bugs me is that it makes him too powerful. I don't want a Batman to be so suped up that he seems more powerful than some of the actual meta-humans out there. Let him rely on his intellect and creativity to win the fights, don't start giving him superhuman abilities (because that's basically what they're doing when they start giving him all those skills).

I don't consider that very good writing either, but I also don't think a splash panel gives us much information in terms of whether or not Batman could plausibly defeat "villain X". I highly doubt a JLA movie would go that route.


So you've got a case of a writer messing with the physics of a character. It's not like The Hulk has had consistent power levels over the years any more than Superman has.


I doubt we'd see that.

Oh come on now. Even at his lowest power level a kick from Batman shouldn't even give the Hulk pause. However, I do certainly hope that you're right that we won't see the kind of scenarios I'm describing. And I think you're probably right, given how the Batman of the movies has never been shown to do some of the more implausible things the Batman in the comics does.

 

[Anita18]

Bale I can see being replaced the problem is ppl accepting it. Thats the curse of the Nolanverse.

Eh, I dunno. The general public might feel that way, but for me (and I think for a lot of other fans) Bale comes with Nolan. If Nolan isn't involved, it's best to replace Bale as Batman.

And if the JLA film feels like a totally different world from BB and TDK, then the recast probably wouldn't make that much of a ruckus. There have been tons of recasts for Batman before. I find a bigger hubbub over recasting RDJ for IM at this point.

Nolan's Batman doesn't fit the Justice League world. Batman Begins's Batman I could see as member of JLA. The realism level in it was Iron Man-like, but The Dark Knight changed everything. Nolan grounded it in reality as much as possible (The Joker is the best example. No white skin, no laughing gas, no funny gimmicks, no classic sense of humor. Only a twisted version of an alredy twisted character). That Batman doesn't fit the world of Superman, Green Lantern, Flash and etc. While everything he did in Batman Begins and The Dark Knight, while impressive in it's world's standarts, it's pretty below the JLA's standarts.

I don't think it was the Joker's portrayal that set TDK into its reality - it's what they presented as the Joker's plan.

TDK's climax was seeing whether a few thousand people on two ferries would die. And it arguably felt like it had more at stake than BB, which had a citywide threat in that fantastical microwave emitter. How? Because it felt like a real-life plausible threat. "What would I do if I was in this not-so-far-fetched situation?" More people probably die on screen in any of the X-men movies than in TDK, and TDK is considered to be the more mature film. (Though I haven't counted, so don't jump on me here!)

I imagine a JLA movie would involve an planet-wide threat with a few billion people at stake. Just juxtaposing that conflict with what was in TDK and you can see why the two worlds wouldn't go together.

 

[MadVillainy]

Eh, I dunno. The general public might feel that way, but for me (and I think for a lot of other fans) Bale comes with Nolan. If Nolan isn't involved, it's best to replace Bale as Batman.

And if the JLA film feels like a totally different world from BB and TDK, then the recast probably wouldn't make that much of a ruckus. There have been tons of recasts for Batman before. I find a bigger hubbub over recasting RDJ for IM at this point.


I don't think it was the Joker's portrayal that set TDK into its reality - it's what they presented as the Joker's plan.

TDK's climax was seeing whether a few thousand people on two ferries would die. And it arguably felt like it had more at stake than BB, which had a citywide threat in that fantastical microwave emitter. How? Because it felt like a real-life plausible threat. "What would I do if I was in this not-so-far-fetched situation?" More people probably die on screen in any of the X-men movies than in TDK, and TDK is considered to be the more mature film. (Though I haven't counted, so don't jump on me here!)

I imagine a JLA movie would involve an planet-wide threat with a few billion people at stake. Just juxtaposing that conflict with what was in TDK and you can see why the two worlds wouldn't go together.

Oh I think you misunderstood what I said. I too agree that Nolan and Bale should be in the series together. I dont want Bale replaced in the Nolan series Im talking about after the third or whichever number final Batman film Nolan decides to do.

The worst thing about it though. Is that you cant even speculate at another Batman without ppl bothering you about: "Bale is Batman"

Also I do agree about youre RDJ point.I think that he and Hugh Jackman's Wolverine have had a greater impact on me than Bale as Batman. I cant even imagine someone taking up Stark or Wolverine after their respective actors move on (but I know there some actors out there)

 

[Evil Twin]

I think Nolan has pulled off a nice feat of sleight of hand. His films aren't realistic. Heck, Batman has more and better weapons than the soldiers in the Transformers movies. But, Nolan has chosen to present his movies in ways that avoid many of the trappings of fantasy films of the past. He presents things that are serious, earnest, non-cartoony and he's deliberately avoided much of the dwelling on special effects of even something like LotR. Nolan's "realism" is all style.