Official Rate & Review Spider-Man 3 Thread! *SPOILERS*

[smoothbody]

For as long as I've seen you have been on the hype (which really isn't that long), I've been wanting to say this....

****

sigh!!

 

[I Am The Knight]

Awful movies are necessary..."The night is always darkest before the dawn" and all that

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

I love the scene where Dr. Connors is examining the Symbiote and it crawls towards Peter. It was a really creepy moment, IMO.

 

[Vile]

Awful movies are necessary..."The night is always darkest before the dawn" and all that

They make for the best drinking games, too!

For Spidey 3 - everytime you come across a "WTF.." moment, take a shot. You'll be drunk in about 10 minutes.

 

[Vile]

er, double post.

 

[Trevor Goodchild]

They make for the best drinking games, too!

For Spidey 3 - everytime you come across a "WTF.." moment, take a shot. You'll be drunk in about 10 minutes.

Yes, but what really consists a 'WTF' moment?
Symbiote landing next to Peter Parker and MJ is not as much WTF as Harry's Butler WTF...

 

[I Am The Knight]

They make for the best drinking games, too!

For Spidey 3 - everytime you come across a "WTF.." moment, take a shot. You'll be drunk in about 10 minutes.

You're on! I'll skip Bourne Ultimatum for this Spidey 3 drinking game idea.

I suppose I'll be knocked out cold by the time the movie gets to Spider-Day.

Yes, but what really consists a 'WTF' moment?
Symbiote landing next to Peter Parker and MJ is not as much WTF as Harry's Butler WTF...

The symbiote landing is pretty WTF worthy. I mean...It just lands there! It's specially WTF-ish if you know nothing about Venom, I suppose.

 

[Vile]

Yes, but what really consists a 'WTF' moment?
Symbiote landing next to Peter Parker and MJ is not as much WTF as Harry's Butler WTF...

Basically any moment in the film that makes you pause and go, "wait...WTF?"

It can be anything. Symbiote landing next to Pete, Harry/Butler exchange, Marko falling into the machine/the scientists inside, Pete/MJ entire relationship, Eddie Brock's entire character...The movie is soaked with WTF moments.

Best drinking game since the lashing scene in Passion of the Christ.

 

[Blader5489]

Crazy villains say crazy things, not stupid things. Does Brock know a single thing about religion? He's supposed to be a religious man, isn't he?

I'm not religious, and even I know the ten commandments. Asking god to kill Peter, so stupid.

And Islamic terrorists kill innocent people in the name of Allah, and jihad as a holy war against their enemies, despite the fact that the Qur'an forbids violence and jihad does not mean "holy war."

It's just an insight into the kind of ****ed up character Eddie Brock is: a hollow, self-serving person.

 

[The Joker]

And Islamic terrorists kill innocent people in the name of Allah, and jihad as a holy war against their enemies, despite the fact that the Qur'an forbids violence and jihad does not mean "holy war."

It's just an insight into the kind of ****ed up character Eddie Brock is: a hollow, self-serving person.

Fair point.

But Brock's request to God in Church to kill Peter Parker just came across as ridiculous, IMO. Especially since the character didn't show any religious tendencies all thru the movie.

Normally people who pervert religion like that are some kind of religious fanatics. Brock just seemed to wander into the church after Peter told him to get religion if he wants forgiveness.

 

[Venom75]

The one moment that always gets a chuckle out of me in the scene with Brock and Parker in Jameson' office when they are both trying to sell the crane accident pic. Brock starts kissing up to JJ and the look on Peter's face is priceless. It's that,"I can believe you're buying this crap?!" look. t: lol

 

[Dark Victory]

I don't know about you guys but here were all my problems with SM3

LACK OF CHARACTER ARC: GWEN STACY
Gwen had a couple scenes in this dreadful picture that made her a
cardboard character with no depth. What did she want? Does she like
Spider-Man? Did she like Peter? Why was Eddie so obsessed with her?

LACK OF STORYTELLING: SYMBIOTE
It came out of space and it makes people more aggressive. That is
pretty much all we know. The writers never came up with any other
reasoning, like why it was near Peter, was it coincidence? Why did it
give its Spider-Man powers to Brock? Why did it turn into an alien at
the end? Nothing, and I mean, NOTHING was explained about the
symbiote.

LACK OF CHARACTER ARC: SANDMAN
One of the best Spider-Man villains was pretty much wasted on here.
There are some people that wanted Sandman removed to concentrate on
the other plots, others argue to remove Brock, some like myself would
prefer both removed and just make Harry the main villain with the
black suit. Sandman had absolutely no resolution at the end of the
film. The arc was suppose to be a guy doing bad things for his
daughter. But what happened at the end? He explained he is not really
a bad guy and wants to be forgiven and then just goes away. Where did
he go? Will he steal more money and Spider-Man will have to fight him
again? Will he die?

PLOT ERRORS: SANDMAN TEAMING WITH VENOM
No reason these two needed to "team up". None. As cocky as Eddie
Brock was, he really needed to get someone to help him ? Why ? He was
already more powerful than Parker. And the scene was so stupid where
Sandman was "looking" for Spider-Man and hit Venom. Venom was this
weird alien looking thing and Sandman just threw him on a wall and
SLOWLY walked away without saying "WTF - A WEIRD ALIEN SPIDER-MAN
THING HOLY *beep* Instead he just said "Nope, not Spider-Man, time to
slowly turn my back toward this alien thing and slowly walk away".
The whole idea was terrible, it was obvious the writers lacked
reasons to get to the battle royal scene.

PLOT ERRORS: VENOM KNOWS ABOUT PARKER
Yes in the comic book, we all know Venom knows all about Peter
because the symbiote transferred memory. But in this film, NOTHING
WAS EXPLAINED!!! They never mentioned the suit teleported everything
about Peter to Brock. So basically, the casual movie goer was left to
wonder how did Brock know who MJ was?

PLOT ERRORS: BROCK IN THE BELL TOWER
So basically, Eddie Brock can clearly see 6 stories up and clearly
see Spider-Man is Peter Parker. And Brock just stands there, while
Parker is screaming with this black goo going all over the place.
Now, if Sam Raimi gave Brock a camera and then zoomed in and focused
on Peter, while the goo fell on him, that would of made more sense
than Brock just looking up like an idiot.

LACK OF CHARACTER ARC: MARY JANE WATSON
Horrible writing with MJ on this one. The idea of this film and for
anyone who saw the previews and read the comics thought that MJ was
now all Peter's and Peter was going to mess things up because the
black suit was messing with him. Instead, the writers decided to make
MJ a selfish *****. It made no sense to have MJ act jealous of the
love of her life!! NONE! MJ kissed Harry behind Peter's back! Of
course the audience wanted Peter to get with Gwen! She was a better
person than MJ ! MJ was suppose to be hard to get in the first film!
Not the third! The arc was MJ was hard to get, then even harder in
the second film, and finally in this one he was suppose to have her
heart and then ruin it. Instead, for some reason, the writers
reversed it and made both Peter and MJ look silly by cheating on each
other.

LACK OF STORYTELLING: TWO LOVE TRIANGLES
Peter, MJ, and Harry was a love triangle that worked in the first
one. Not this film. Why re-hash that same thing in this
film ? ? ? ? ? It made no sense. And the second love triangle could
of worked if the writers deleted half the movie. Peter, Gwen, and
Brock was another weak one because not only did it get less screen
time than the other one, but Gwen and Brock were two under used
characters. With such little screen time with Gwen and Brock, the
emotion with this love triangle was extremely weak and poorly done.
It could of been better to show more of Brock and Gwen and have Gwen
in love with Peter and have Brock an insecure psycho, who always
stalked Gwen and was sickly obsessed with her! Then the story and
emotion would of been more intense. But Brock didn't really need to
be involved in a love triangle. The real triangle should of been MJ,
Peter, and Gwen. The black suit forcing Peter to get with Gwen, while
MJ's arc is to love Peter no matter how evil he is acting.

LACK OF CHARACTER ARC: AUNT MAY
She showed up in the beginning to bore the audience with some story
about swimming to an island that made little sense. Then she returned
to his apartment at the end of the film to give more common sense
advice. In the first and second one, May had a relationship with
Peter and emotional scenes with Peter about forgiveness and with
power comes responsibility.

PLOT ERRORS: LETS ALL FORGIVE SANDMAN
This is the worst part of the film, in my opinion. First of all, the
audience has already seen two villains from the first two movies that
are connected to Peter in some way and then gain super powers for
evil, but we feel bad for them at the end. They tried it on Sandman,
but failed. Bottom line is that Sandman killed Ben Parker, tried to
kill Spider-Man, tried to kill Harry, conspired to help kill MJ,
nearly killed a bunch of cops, stole a ton of money and destroyed
millions of dollars in property . . . . . . And somehow we are
suppose to forgive him at the end of the film ? After Venom's death,
Peter turns around and just stares at Sandman like an idiot. As soon
as he saw Sandman, he should of shot a spider web or attacked right
away. Made no sense. I don’t think anyone forgave Sandman or believed
Peter could forgive him. If the theme of this over-sub-plot movie was
forgiveness, there could of been a much better way to do it.

LACK OF CHARACTER ARC: EDDIE BROCK
Eddie Brock is one of the most popular and favorite villains in the
comic books, he should of got his own movie. I believe someone
clocked Venom's actual screen time at just 8 minutes of the two and
half hour film. Brock's scenes were good, thanks to the wonderful
acting job by Topher Grace. The casting choice was perfect, but the
audience and fan boys wanted more to that character than what we got.
Did they even mention Brock's villain name was Venom? No. Where was
the JJ Jameson scene where he names Brock "Venom"? Lousy writing. And
the only depth was he had an obsession with Gwen and hated Peter.
That's pretty much it. Story went all over the place.

LACK OF STORY TELLING: SANDMAN KILLING BEN PARKER
It was just a cheap way to connect Sandman to Peter on a "personal"
level. What the writers didn't understand was that formula worked
with Doc Ock and Goblin, but they really didn't need to repeat it.
Flint already had his motivation and his scenes to show he needed to
help his daughter. Spider-Man should of battled Sandman because he is
Spider-Man and that is what he does. Of course both characters need
an inner conflict, but they don't need to be connected to one
another! Spider-Man should of battled Sandman for the sake of saving
the city, not some weak revenge/forgiveness plot they came up with.

PLOT ERROR: FLINT MARKO BECOMES THE SANDMAN
Marko running from the police and somehow manages to find a secret
lab in the middle of the huge metropolis city of NY, he finds a
secret lab! And so he just falls in and accidentally becomes a human
made of sand. And there are no cameras in that lab experiment? "It
might be a bird, it will fly away" was such a horrible line to
explain why they didn't realize a person was in the pit. And the
writers came up with NO explanation of what the hell the experiment
even was!

LACK OF DIRECTING: THE KIDS MUST BE IN THE MOVIE!
This was suppose to be a dark movie, with the plot being about
revenge, and black suit making Peter a dark bad guy. But in the
middle of many scenes, we are introduced to a bunch of 10 year olds
making lame, dumb comments to disrupt the scenes. "No Spider-Man ,
No", "Wicket Cool!!", "Why would I need a job, I'm just a kid". . . .
Well, Sam Raimi got his kids in a summer blockbuster. I hope he is
happy, because a lot of people who watched this movie didn't really
enjoy seeing that as much as he did.

LACK OF DIRECTING: THE MUSIC
I'm not going to knock Christopher Young too much, because it's hard
to live up to Danny Elfman, but the score to the black suit was
horrid. I can't take it. The singing Mary Jane does was terrible and
played three times. The song she sung was horrible and they kept
repeating it. I liked the soundtrack and the end credits, but the
music choices were very bad.

LACK OF STORYTELLING: PETER PARKER BECOMING EMO
Why emo ? ? It's America's most embarrassing trend. It stands for a
young person who is insecure and wants attention from their messed up
parents. Why put that on Peter Parker? It made no sense. If the suit
made him more aggressive and more "evil", why not just become a total
a-hole. Why did he have to become "emo"? The whole audience hated
those scenes. I can't find a single person that thought it
was "amusing" or "funny".

LACK OF DIRECTING: THE ENDING
Out of all the many, many sub plots in this film, barely any of them
were resolved. So did Peter purpose to MJ? No. Instead, that subplot
just disappeared. And where was that GRAND FINALE of Spider-Man
swinging across New York City with that awesome score? It wasn't in
the third film. Instead, Peter danced with MJ. I think Peter asking MJ
to marry him would of been an extremely more appropriate ending.

LACK OF STORYTELLING: COINCIDENCE AFTER COINCIDENCE
So the killer of Ben Parker just happened to become Sandman. The
police chief who just happened to be the father of Peter’s lab
partner and new date told Peter about Marko killing Ben. It also just
so happens Brock is dating Gwen, who knows Peter. And out of 6 billion
people, the symbiote just happened to land near Peter, who has super
powers. So not only is Peter the only person on the planet to get
bitten by a radio active spider, but now the audience is suppose to
buy the fact that he gets another super power just by luck ? ?
Again ? ? ?

LACK OF DIRECTING: SANDMAN AND VENOM
I'm sorry, but CGI giant thing at the end taking on Spider-Man and
Harry was just stupid. We did not get Hayden Church's performance on
the most important battle of the entire film. Instead, we got a CGI
marshmallow man. And how come Venom sound like a reptile or
something? At least Topher did manage to make the Venom scenes work,
but there weren't that many of them.

LACK OF STORYTELLING: HARRY OSBORNE
He tries to kill Peter in the beginning, only to get amnesia and then
everything goes back to normal, and then he gets his identity back to
then not want to kill Peter, but to hurt his feelings real bad, then
decide to help Spider-Man to save MJ and his friend. That is such a
terrible idea from the writers on so many levels. Here is a character
ready to explode in the first two movies. That scene in the second
film was so powerful where Harry is considering becoming the Goblin.
Instead of becoming a second Goblin, he was a ninja surfer villain
who was sort of a bad guy, but sort of a good guy. The writing was
awful. Once again, I really wanted the main villain and only villain
to be Harry as the second Goblin or Hobgoblin and have the black suit
on Peter to create an inner conflict with both characters.

LACK OF CHARACTER ARC: PETER PARKER
There was only ONE scene where Peter was wearing the black suit. He
fought Harry twice in his regular Peter Parker attire. There was no
real arc about black suit and its relationship with Peter. In the
animated series, the black suit made Peter take things to the edge
with criminals and nearly beat them to death and not feel sympathy.
Instead, the writers had to go back to all the other subplots and
three villains and had no time to show Peter in the black suit making
him really evil. Where were the normal scenes to show Peter swinging
around NY like the first two movies? Where were the scenes to show
Peter just being Spider-Man and saving the city? There were none
because the writers didn't have any time for it. In the second film,
Peter had to go into the fire to save a child, and many other scenes
that showed Peter go after the regular bad guys, now in this film,
Peter only had time for main villains like Brock, Sandman and Harry.
Could of had some really cool shots of black suit swinging around New
York and fighting normal criminals, while the REAL BAD GUY was coming
up with an evil plot like Doc Ock and Norman Osborn did!

LACK OF DIRECTING: THE BATTLE ROYAL AT THE CONSTRUCTION SITE
Once again, the audience was looking for something new in this film.
Something different from the first two films. Instead, MJ was
kidnapped, for the third time and Spider-Man must take on the villain
to save her. It really should of been Gwen Stacy, while MJ should of
convinced Harry to save Peter because she’s in love with him! And that
way, Harry would of realized if he loved MJ, he would want her to be
happy and Peter makes her happy, so he would rescue Peter from Venom
and Sandman, but instead, the writers felt it was a good idea to use
the same freaking scenario for the final battle.

 

[Nightmare]

Bravo Dark one, bravo. *clap*

 

[Dark Victory]

Bravo Dark one, bravo. *clap*

Thanks. Took me like 2 hours to type.

 

[Venom75]

I have to say that when I first saw the film I loved it. I thought it was the best superhero movie ever. Mainly,because I think I was just so excited and thrilled to see Venom and the black suit on screen for the first times. Plus,I had been waiting for this movie for so long that I refused to dislike it in any way. But now that all this time has gone by I don't like it as much. Don't get me wrong,I still like the film,but there was SO much wrong with it. Dark Victory,you just pointed out alot of what was wrong and I fully agree.

 

[Trevor Goodchild]

Dark Victory, I certainly understand your disappointment in the movie.
I myself lost all faith in Raimi’s Spider-Man altogether but that was even before SM3.
That’s not how I wanted to see a Spidey movie made. I’m completely apathetic towards it now.
And while I can agree with most of your points, maybe I can give you a more neutral and rounded up perspective by countering some of your weaker arguments:

LACK OF CHARACTER ARC: GWEN STACY
Gwen had a couple scenes in this dreadful picture that made her a cardboard character with no depth. What did she want? Does she like Spider-Man? Did she like Peter? Why was Eddie so obsessed with her?

I said the same thing about Jonah Jr. in SM2 but nobody cares for that forgettable character as much as I do. I believe Gwen would’ve been treated the same way, if she didn’t have such popular history behind her. How would you have responded to the same lack of character development, if it was Felicia, Debra or Betty instead?
My point is that, as undignified as Gwen was treated, it was to be expected since the love triangle crap of SM2.

LACK OF CHARACTER ARC: SANDMAN
Sandman had absolutely no resolution at the end of the film. The arc was suppose to be a guy doing bad things for his daughter. But what happened at the end? He explained he is not really a bad guy and wants to be forgiven and then just goes away. Where did he go? Will he steal more money and Spider-Man will have to fight him again? Will he die?

Resolutions don’t have to be all-encompassing. Sandman accidentally killed Uncle Ben and Peter forgave him for it. That was the end of one theme. Sandman can still comeback for the sequel and have his daughter’s story resolved. Hey, at least he’s the only villain that did not die in the whole trilogy.

PLOT ERRORS: BROCK IN THE BELL TOWER
So basically, Eddie Brock can clearly see 6 stories up and clearly see Spider-Man is Peter Parker. And Brock just stands there, while Parker is screaming with this black goo going all over the place. Now, if Sam Raimi gave Brock a camera and then zoomed in and focused on Peter, while the goo fell on him, that would of made more sense than Brock just looking up like an idiot.

Now that’s your lousiest nitpicking.
First of all, I don’t know how tall are the floors in your country but I can perfectly recognise people I know from as tall as 10 stories, maybe even higher but I never had the chance to look up at people beyond that yet.
And what would you have done, if you saw a man you know screaming and struggling with some black goo up on a church tower? What kept Brock in place was simple human curiosity. He was trying to understand the situation. He didn’t expect any parasitic substance to fall on him. In that, his ignorance is perfectly justified.

LACK OF CHARACTER ARC: AUNT MAY
She showed up in the beginning to bore the audience with some story about swimming to an island that made little sense.

Oh come on now, by saying that you’re just showing your distaste for true romance.
If you don’t like love stories, just say so, don’t blame an old romantic widow.

Then she returned to his apartment at the end of the film to give more common sense advice. In the first and second one, May had a relationship with Peter and emotional scenes with Peter about forgiveness and with power comes responsibility.

People move on. In time you’ll find the relationships with your parent-figures fading out and they’ll have less and less to teach you, as you grow more mature…
Besides, Aunt May doesn’t have to be such a prominent character, ready to give a moral monologue whenever the plot warrants it. That already became redundant even with what little she had to work with in SM3.

PLOT ERRORS: LETS ALL FORGIVE SANDMAN
This is the worst part of the film, in my opinion. First of all, the audience has already seen two villains from the first two movies that are connected to Peter in some way and then gain super powers for evil, but we feel bad for them at the end. They tried it on Sandman, but failed. Bottom line is that Sandman killed Ben Parker, tried to kill Spider-Man, tried to kill Harry, conspired to help kill MJ, nearly killed a bunch of cops, stole a ton of money and destroyed millions of dollars in property . . . . . . And somehow we are suppose to forgive him at the end of the film ? After Venom's death, Peter turns around and just stares at Sandman like an idiot. As soon as he saw Sandman, he should of shot a spider web or attacked right away. Made no sense. I don’t think anyone forgave Sandman or believed Peter could forgive him. If the theme of this over-sub-plot movie was forgiveness, there could of been a much better way to do it.

I actually found this the best plot-line out of the entire trilogy and the only redeeming factor of SM3.
In SM1 Green Goblin wanted to be forgiven but did not deserve it, since he never showed any redeeming qualities.
In SM2 Dr. Octopus deserved forgiveness but sacrificed himself.
In SM3 Sandman has the most controversial resolution that could even rival Nolan’s Batman movies.
Spidey actually gave forgiveness despite his own feelings, that's what forgiveness is all about, and that took strength and not many superheroes have that. And Sandman’s tormented character certainly deserved a break, at least for this movie.

LACK OF STORYTELLING: PETER PARKER BECOMING EMO

Yeah, read my sig below.

 

[Nightmare]

I gotta agree with Dark Victory on the sandman ending, when i first saw it i was really confused and wanted something to happen like how GG told PP at the end of the first one then was setting up to kill him with his glider from behind. The forgiveness part wasnt what really annoyed me. Its the fact that he should of been locked up for what he did and he just flew away as a big flying pile of sand after shedding a tear. I think it would of been better off if he just died in the sewer.

 

[Trevor Goodchild]

You see, that's why that ending is so controversial - not many people with 'an eye for an eye' mentality will accept it.
What good would've it done to lock up Flint Marko? What prisons really supposed to be? They're supposed to be correctional facilities. They should be all about making the prisoner realise his mistake, to be corrected, to become a decent citizen again. The last thing they should be about is retribution and punishment.
While Sandman is not and probably may not be a decent citizen for a very long time, he certainly realised his mistake on his own. What more could incarceration possibly offer him by taking away his freedom?
By having to live with his daughter's mortal illness, his permanent disfigurement and being hunted by the police 24/7 surely is punishment enough.

 

[The Joker]

Brilliant post, Dark Victory

 

[Blader5489]

LACK OF STORYTELLING: HARRY OSBORNE
He tries to kill Peter in the beginning, only to get amnesia and then
everything goes back to normal, and then he gets his identity back to
then not want to kill Peter, but to hurt his feelings real bad, then
decide to help Spider-Man to save MJ and his friend. That is such a
terrible idea from the writers on so many levels.

Yeah, where the hell did that idea come from?

 

[Dark Victory]

You see, that's why that ending is so controversial - not many people with 'an eye for an eye' mentality will accept it.
What good would've it done to lock up Flint Marko? What prisons really supposed to be? They're supposed to be correctional facilities. They should be all about making the prisoner realise his mistake, to be corrected, to become a decent citizen again. The last thing they should be about is retribution and punishment.
While Sandman is not and probably may not be a decent citizen for a very long time, he certainly realised his mistake on his own. What more could incarceration possibly offer him by taking away his freedom?
By having to live with his daughter's mortal illness, his permanent disfigurement and being hunted by the police 24/7 surely is punishment enough.

Yeah true but what bugged me the most was that the character from the comics is nothing like the one shown in the movie. I know it's kind of biased, but whatever thing that Thomas Haden Church played in SM3, it wasn't Sandman.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Yeah true but what bugged me the most was that the character from the comics is nothing like the one shown in the movie. I know it's kind of biased, but whatever thing that Thomas Haden Church played in SM3, it wasn't Sandman.

It wasn't supposed to be comic Sandman. I mean, he didn't have much of a backstory in the comics, so in the film, they decided to add more to him and make him sympathetic, which was a great thing, IMO.

 

[Venom 1988]

It wasn't that far of a stretch from the comics if you think about it. Sandman tried to reform himself many times, he was even on the Avengers at one point. Plus when Doc Ock threatened to blow up Flint's current residence and "family" (the tenants in the building) if he wouldn't join the Sinister Six again.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

It wasn't that far of a stretch from the comics if you think about it. Sandman tried to reform himself many times, he was even on the Avengers at one point. Plus when Doc Ock threatened to blow up Flint's current residence and "family" (the tenants in the building) if he wouldn't join the Sinister Six again.

True, you have a point.

 

[chaseter]

I said the same thing about Jonah Jr. in SM2 but nobody cares for that forgettable character as much as I do. I believe Gwen would’ve been treated the same way, if she didn’t have such popular history behind her. How would you have responded to the same lack of character development, if it was Felicia, Debra or Betty instead?
My point is that, as undignified as Gwen was treated, it was to be expected since the love triangle crap of SM2.

JJ. Jr. is a throw away character in this series and has nothing to do with Peter Parker. He was merely there for Mary Jane. Gwen Stacy on the other hand is a major character in the mythos as well as this movie. The story is about Peter Parker...so naturally his involvement with someone, Gwen Stacy, is going to have more behind it that Mary Jane's involvement with someone, JJ Jr. You also have to realize that Mary Jane and Peter Parker were finally together in SM3. So a love triangle in SM3 would need more depth than just another fling for Mary Jane or Peter Parker since they have gotten serious. Gwen was treated alright...but it should have been better...much better

In SM3 Sandman has the most controversial resolution that could even rival Nolan’s Batman movies.

And yeah no

What I don’t get is all those impulsive teens who are quick to label Peter ‘emo’ just because of a dump haircut.
People! The whole damn Spidey trilogy is ‘emo’!

Being emotional and wearing clothes to show your emotional state are two different things. So no it is not.