Official Script Discussion

[CFlash]

Sorry you see my example as "******ed" but Batman did appear a bit short in all movies where Michael Keaton played the role. Guess that whole camera angle thing wasn't used or didn't work. Personally, I didn't care how tall he was because it had NOTHING to do with the story. This is the point I'm trying to make. It's the character we fall in love with, not their design or their relation in height to those around them. The sad fact of the matter is this could be an incredible story and sci fi movie but people will still say, "Yeah it was a good movie but Bumblebee was still bigger than Jazz!" It just seams rediculous to me. My two cents.

Michael Keaton a bit short at 5"10'. Yeah... but did he really seem like a midget? Hugh Jackman a bit too tall... but did he really seem like the massive 6"3 he is in real life? No, in fact it otften seemed like the guy that played Cyclops was taller than him at 5"10.'

Bumblebee wasn't just a "NICE GUY".... that's pretty 2-dimensional don't you think??? TAKE A LOOK AT HIS SPECS. They're very important. He's weak and he's slow with zero firepower. It's not just that he's bigger in the movie. It's that he's also pretty badass. For instance, he hands Barricade's a** to him. That's is not Bumblebee. This is:

 

[Superman79]

^^^ Yeah, but check out that courage...heart of a lion!!

 

[cryptic name]

that's the whole point of Bumblebee. the smallest Autobot with the biggest heart.

 

[Golgo-13]

For all those that have read the script:

I breezed through it several times and don't see anywhere where they mention Megatron selecting an alt mode. In the script he awakens as a Cybertronian Jet. But after that, they don't mention anything about Cybertronian Jet but they do however, mention that he flys, notably when chasing you know who for possession of the Allspark.

In the Empire article, it clearly says that Megatron is the top secret 'Razor Jet'. Is this confirmation, in you guys eyes, that Megs does indeed select an earth mode after he awakes?

And maybe i missed it but is there a section in the script where they say he changes alt modes?

 

[Avangarde]

For all those that have read the script:

I breezed through it several times and don't see anywhere where they mention Megatron selecting an alt mode. In the script he awakens as a Cybertronian Jet. But after that, they don't mention anything about Cybertronian Jet but they do however, mention that he flys, notably when chasing you know who for possession of the Allspark.

In the Empire article, it clearly says that Megatron is the top secret 'Razor Jet'. Is this confirmation, in you guys eyes, that Megs does indeed select an earth mode after he awakes?

And maybe i missed it but is there a section in the script where they say he changes alt modes?

Ok for starters that whole Razor Jet thing is wrong, Shia mis-pronounced Raptor and was actually refering to Megatron, this was cleared up ages ago. Yes, the leaked script doesn't give any detail about Megatron finding an earth mode, the whole earth mode thing was created by "wishful thinking fans" at allspark.com and the DM boards. Although it hasn't been totally ruled out (could have been left out as a last minute suprise) its hard to find any evidence that points to the earth mode Megatron.

 

[Golgo-13]

O.K then when did that Empire article come out then? Because that's where i got it from. There's a thread on it on the forum.

 

[Orion Pax]

Michael Keaton a bit short at 5"10'. Yeah... but did he really seem like a midget? Hugh Jackman a bit too tall... but did he really seem like the massive 6"3 he is in real life? No, in fact it otften seemed like the guy that played Cyclops was taller than him at 5"10.'

Bumblebee wasn't just a "NICE GUY".... that's pretty 2-dimensional don't you think??? TAKE A LOOK AT HIS SPECS. They're very important. He's weak and he's slow with zero firepower. It's not just that he's bigger in the movie. It's that he's also pretty badass. For instance, he hands Barricade's a** to him. That's is not Bumblebee. This is:

Wow CFlash! Take it easy! Overreacting a little don't you think? My point isn't going into every demension of Bumblebee. Thanks for sharing his stats, although I'm already very familiar with them. I'm talking about the heart of the character. You need to care about them in order for the movie to work. You could get all of your stats but if BB doesn't have heart, what good does it do you?

 

[Spade]

Wow CFlash! Take it easy! Overreacting a little don't you think? My point isn't going into every demension of Bumblebee. Thanks for sharing his stats, although I'm already very familiar with them. I'm talking about the heart of the character. You need to care about them in order for the movie to work. You could get all of your stats but if BB doesn't have heart, what good does it do you?

CFlash isn't overreacting at all. In fact, he's being rather tame. It's that you're missing the point: the firepower he has in this script is way above that of what he should have. If it were billing him as a tenacious but intelligent Autobot who uses his head and the environment to squirm out of the Decepticon's grasp there would be no gripe. The gripe is that the Bumble Bee of this script is an occasionally uppity Autobot with no lines but large guns to back up his mute exterior, when he could have just as much screen presence sticking to the canon depiction of an intelligent and talking Bumble Bee who makes up for his shortcomings with deft skill and quiet moves that add up in the long run. That is who he is. Bay is changing him to create a new Autobot. This is the point CFlash is trying to make, and considering that there's yet to be a flame on his part he's doing so with a rather polite disposition.

 

[crazy monkey]

OK, there's 35 pages here, I'll admit I didn't read them all, so, you know, beg pardon if this has already been discussed/clarified.

For those who have read the script, which I have not -- Do the 'bots use guns at all? All I'm reading about is hand-to-hand combat, and any promotional pictures (including the trailer) don't show any gun designs.

Please tell me that with all the changes they've made they at least had the smarts to let them shoot at each other. Transformers - guns = suck.

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[Spade]

For those who have read the script, which I have not -- Do the 'bots use guns at all? All I'm reading about is hand-to-hand combat, and any promotional pictures (including the trailer) don't show any gun designs.

The leaked concept designs clearly show Bumble Bee with an energy cannon (already rendered into the film) and concealed missiles. The same is essentially shown for Prime- an energy-spewing blaster that attaches itself to his back. Blackout has an EMP-style weapon as well as the shockwave implement used in the trailer. Shockwave has dual gatling guns for arms, it would seem. Even Megatron has blasters in his alternate Cybertronian Jet form.

So no, Bay hasn't skimped out on 'teh hug gunz'. It makes up 70% of what he considers the Transformers to be about, apparently.

Please tell me that with all the changes they've made they at least had the smarts to let them shoot at each other.

There's already loads of confirmation they use guns. You just need to look for it.

 

[Headless Knight]

I can see how an overpowered Bumblebee may seem “wrong” to G1 fans, but his firepower being at least comparable to Barricade’s actually makes sense. Consider the plot: he is one of the (very) few autobots who come to Earth to try and stop the decepticons from getting to the Allspark. Not only that, he is the scout, i.e. he is here way before his friends arrive. So, it’s only logical that he should be able to defend himself. That doesn’t necessarily mean he is a badass warrior, only that he’s a warrior (as all of the movie autobots have to be, one way or another). But the script makes it clear that he wouldn’t stand a chance against most of the decepticons.

The non-talking thing, however, is a much bigger problem, as it seems like a lame way of getting his personality across (via Herby-like pantomime) and an excuse for self-congratulatory trivia, with its look-at-how-we-managed-to-find-the-perfect-pop-song-for-this-moment coarseness.

 

[Spark]

Ok for starters that whole Razor Jet thing is wrong, Shia mis-pronounced Raptor and was actually refering to Megatron, this was cleared up ages ago. Yes, the leaked script doesn't give any detail about Megatron finding an earth mode, the whole earth mode thing was created by "wishful thinking fans" at allspark.com and the DM boards. Although it hasn't been totally ruled out (could have been left out as a last minute suprise) its hard to find any evidence that points to the earth mode Megatron.

I think most people are referring to the Tom Desanto interview rather than the Shia thing.
http://www.iesb.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=496&Itemid=99

 

[crazy monkey]

There's already loads of confirmation they use guns. You just need to look for it.

Nah...it's easier to ask the internet. t:

Thanks for the info, dude.

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[combocaz]

I`just wish BB had a voice. Him having no voice could become annoying but anyways i dig the script, lets hope that this becomes more than a trilogy if it gets that far.

 

[Venom_14]

can someone please pm me the script whoever has it please.

 

[GDM]

Could someone PM me the link to the script too please. Thank you

 

[CFlash]

http://www.badongo.net/file/1874389

Scroll down to the bottom. It starts downloading after a few seconds.

 

[Spark]

Just thought it was worth posting this comment by Roberto since the topic of script changes often comes up.

"We're spending the next few weeks coming up with more TF dialogue -- and honestly, we'll be pushing it till the end. It will be a lot easier when we have the voices cast, and know what we're dealing with."

Said during this *****fest.
http://www.d13satellite.com/donmurp...adid=16563&perpage=25&highlight=&pagenumber=4

And yes, I know it's only a reference to dialogue but we still don't know what live action footage was shot, or arguably as important, how it was shot.

 

[Alchemyst]

I`just wish BB had a voice. Him having no voice could become annoying but anyways i dig the script, lets hope that this becomes more than a trilogy if it gets that far.

The reason why he doesnt have a voice, because they want his facial reactions (for lack of a better term) to do the talking.

 

[cryptic name]

The reason why he doesnt have a voice, because they want his facial reactions (for lack of a better term) to do the talking.

how the hell is he going to have facial reactions? he's going to do a lot with body language, but his face...doesn't look like it has any moving pieces.

 

[AyeCapn]

how the hell is he going to have facial reactions? he's going to do a lot with body language, but his face...doesn't look like it has any moving pieces.

It has thousands of moving pieces!




Billions!

 

[Spark]

t:

Actually it's music which does the talking, not body language.

 

[*Dead*End*]

New interview with writers from ToyFare magazine:

http://media.twango.com/m1/original/...23b6283421.jpg

http://media.twango.com/m1/original/...dd5881d5bb.jpg

http://media.twango.com/m1/original/...fbf303172d.jpg

http://media.twango.com/m1/original/...f2f92b472d.jpg

Scans are courtesy of Don Murphy's message board.

 

[Spark]

Scans are courtesy of Don Murphy's message board.

:hate!:

Er... cool interview aswell, except for the moronic 'non-talking TF' thing.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

They say one of the big differences between ours and the original is "you don't miss the arrival of the Transformers, it's not some big event that happens off screen".

Did they even watch the original