Official Script Discussion

[CFlash]

Michael Mann directed Miami Vice not Michael Bay.

I say there's no chance in hell of this movie surpassing Spider-man 3 or Pirates of The Carribbean 2.

Not many people would agree that Spielberg was a genius with . . . War of The Worlds.

I was disappointed with War of the Worlds too.... but it wasn't aweful. I'd definately still agree with anyone that says Spielberg is a genius.

As for TF beating SM3 or POTC... well I guess anything is possible... but, I agree- there's not much of a chance based on the bad buzz.

 

[Headless Knight]

WOTW is awesome. Without Morgan Freeman's voice-overs, it would be just about perfect.

 

[TheVileOne]

And let's just get something straight Transformers doesn't have the widespread appeal or attraction that Spider-man does. Or hell even Pirates of the Carribbean has.

 

[CFlash]

And let's just get something straight Transformers doesn't have the widespread appeal or attraction that Spider-man does. Or hell even Pirates of the Carribbean has.

Pirates 1 didn't have a "built-in" widespread appeal when it first came out. It's success was pure sheer word-of-mouth based on a brilliantly directed movie.

 

[Headless Knight]

Pirates 1 didn't have a "built-in" widespread appeal when it first came out. It's success was pure sheer word-of-mouth based on a brilliantly directed movie.

It had Johnny Depp, Orlando Bloom, and that "Disney" tag that's a little hard to ignore.

I'm actually still to be impressed by Mr. ****e Verbinski's alleged skills, to be honest. The Pirate movies are watchable, but they're much more about extravagant slapstick spectacle (which is easy to do and gets old quickly) than coherent visual storytelling (which is harder to pull off and achieves much better results when you're trying for pathos). This, for me, leaves them far behind other movies with the same dynamics (like the Indiana Jones series).

 

[CFlash]

It had Johnny Depp, Orlando Bloom, and that "Disney" tag that's a little hard to ignore.

I'm actually still to be impressed by Mr. ****e Verbinski's alleged skills, to be honest. The Pirate movies are watchable, but they're much more about extravagant slapstick spectacle (which is easy to do and gets old quickly) than coherent visual storytelling (which is harder to pull off and achieves much better results when you're trying for pathos). This, for me, leaves them far behind other movies with the same dynamics (like the Indiana Jones series).

They actually downplayed the "Disney" thing in the marketing of the original Pirates. Partly because the trailer chose to sell the "darker" aspects of the film like the underwater march of the zombie pirates.

For the most part... the "Disney" thing worked AGAINST the movie. I for one didn't go see the movie for over a full month after it had come out because of it. It wasn't until I finally said "Sheesh everybody keeps talking about this movie... what the heck is this all about." Suffice it to say... I loved the movie and am glad I caught it in the theater.

POTC easily could have been a disaster in the hands of a lesser director (just compare it to Wild Wild West to see what I mean).

 

[CherryRedSpider]

(just compare it to Wild Wild West to see what I mean).

WWW had a catchy single and a more successful music video than the film which contained Sisqo....Sisqo of all people. You don't see Tyrese cashing in but it's still early.

 

[Golgo-13]

I think TF will go the way X men 1 did, and POTC 1. They did ok at the B.O but because the first one rocked, the second ones broke all kinda records. So it all biols down to TF 1 kicking ass....

ps..i have a feeling Spiderman 3 won't do as well as the other two did. Don't know why, just a feeling. Did POTC 2 beat SM B.O opening weekend record?

 

[Headless Knight]

POTC easily could have been a disaster in the hands of a lesser director (just compare it to Wild Wild West to see what I mean).

That's a conforting angle. "At least it's better than WILD WILD WEST".

That will be my new motto for awry times. And not only when it comes to movies.

"Dude, I crashed my car."
"That's ok. You have insurance, right?"
"Yeah... but I crashed it into my own house, and now I have to fix the wall."
"Well, that's kind of a pain, but things could be worse. At least nobody got hurt."
"That's the thing though... my dog was in the way, and now he's dead."
"Uh... damn, man. That sucks. Well... look at the bright side: at least you're not watching WILD WILD WEST."
"Yeah... I guess you're right. Things could be worse."

 

[Spade]

The Wild Wild West is why Jon Peters should never have his name added to anything in the industry. I saw his name in the opening of Superman Returns and nearly laughed my head off. That's like giving credit to a donkey for blocking your roadway.

 

[Venom160]

will someone please pm me the script?

 

[TheVileOne]

It had Johnny Depp, Orlando Bloom, and that "Disney" tag that's a little hard to ignore.

I'm actually still to be impressed by Mr. ****e Verbinski's alleged skills, to be honest. The Pirate movies are watchable, but they're much more about extravagant slapstick spectacle (which is easy to do and gets old quickly) than coherent visual storytelling (which is harder to pull off and achieves much better results when you're trying for pathos). This, for me, leaves them far behind other movies with the same dynamics (like the Indiana Jones series).

What does this make Michael Bay's filmmaking?

I've yet to be impressed by his work at all. Transformers looks exactly like everything else he's done before.

 

[Theweepeople]

I think TF will go the way X men 1 did, and POTC 1. They did ok at the B.O but because the first one rocked, the second ones broke all kinda records.

Both X1 and POTC1 did very well at the B.O. considering their budgets.

X1 budget(75mil) domestic gross(157mil)
POTC1 budget(140mil) domestic gross(300mil)

What does this make Michael Bay's filmmaking?

Micheal Bay directed one movie that I still love. The Rock!!!! I think Micheal is talented with certain aspects of filmmaking(special effects/action sequences). His success with The Rock suggests that he has the ability to make quality films. Hopefully, he has learned something from his recent slump of mediocre films(The Island, Bad Boys 2). At least Brett Ratner, Paul WS Anderson, and Uwe Bol aren't involved with this picture. It's strange but, I can even admit that hack directors like Ratner and Anderson have always had the potential to be better directors but, their laziness prevents them achieving this goal. On the other hand, there is no hope for Uwe Bol.

 

[TheVileOne]

Micheal Bay directed one movie that I still love. The Rock!!!! I think Micheal is talented with certain aspects of filmmaking(special effects/action sequences). His success with The Rock suggests that he has the ability to make quality films. Hopefully, he has learned something from his recent slump of mediocre films(The Island, Bad Boys 2). At least Brett Ratner, Paul WS Anderson, and Uwe Bol aren't involved with this picture. It's strange but, I can even admit that hack directors like Ratner and Anderson have always had the potential to be better directors but, their laziness prevents them achieving this goal. On the other hand, there is no hope for Uwe Bol.

The Rock came out over TEN years ago. Nearly 11. Over a decade.

Judging from the trailers he hasn't learned anything at all. Looks like same old Bay to me. It's not even Transformers, it's "Michael Bay's" Transformers.

As for Verbinski, he's made more than several movies that I love. Mouse Hunt = modern classic.

 

[Weadazoid]

I agree with one statement ...the Rock is a good movie however as mentioned it is 10 years old, but it still holds some interest for me today if I see it on, strong villains great performances from Ed Harris, Sean Connnery and Cage..... it worked, Anti Hero agaisnt former military hero turned villain...it worked really well.


But it is the only one that worked really well IMO

Con Air... horrid, ridiculous, one of the few movies that ruined the great acting talents of Colm Meany, and if you've seen Layer cake, you know what a great cool villain Colm can play, Bay turned him into a stereo type, and you can really see it was Bays directing not Colms acting.

Armegedon and Pear Harbor........ really scare me because both of those movies much like TF, had thease really spectacular Trailers but then the actual product was utter and total crap...IMO, cut to ribbons by most crititcs not tremendous box ofice successes either given huge budgets and huge expectations

then you had Bad Boyz and the Island, Bady Boyz came about...oh five years to late as a sequal, and the island had some of the most ridiculous moments ever put on film. I mean really it takes balls to have two people fall off the side of an explodeing building, and not wind up with a scractch on them...plus .... how many futuristic gun fights with bullets flying, and yep...not even a scractch...it would be OK if thease characters were oh say SPiderman and Wonderman team up in an improbalble future...but no...they were just clones...humans, and pretty dumb humans at that.

 

[CFlash]

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I don't think Michael Bay directed Con Air. But, yeah, it's the same directing style. I agree with everything else you said.

 

[Spider-Gamer]

I the script still available? If so can somebody PM me it?

 

[CFlash]

http://www.badongo.net/file/1874389
Scroll down... you'll see a countdown before the download starts.

 

[Lord Blackbolt]

Mouse Hunt = modern classic.

Wow...are you serious

 

[Spider-Gamer]

http://www.badongo.net/file/1874389
Scroll down... you'll see a countdown before the download starts.

Thank you!

 

[Modernize73]

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I don't think Michael Bay directed Con Air. But, yeah, it's the same directing style. I agree with everything else you said.

Nope it was simon west...who also did tomb raider...

 

[TheVileOne]

Mouse Hunt maybe isn't a classic, but I enjoyed it a lot. Mouse Hunt is a more coherent movie than just about Bay's entire filmography.

Also Michael Bay did NOT direct Con Air. Simon West directed Con Air.

 

[MeGrimlock]

Hello all,

Am new here, but have been reading the forums for a long time, just thought I'd put my thoughts in if that's ok.

Having been a big fan of G1, I'll admit to being more than a little disappointed when I saw the second trailer, and it's true that there's a definate "Bionicle" feel to the Transformers. Having said that, the only way that people who don't like Transformers will go to see the movie is to be taken aback by the appeal of the technology on display. The action movie crowd will go and see the movie, not those who want a decent, well thought-out story. Those wanting spectacle want to see robots that look like they belong in this century, and lets face it, seeing a Chevy Camaro turn into a blocky Bumblebee-type robot wouldn't impress people who are used to Matrix-like animation and special effects.

I hope Michael Bay makes a good job of this film, as I really want it to succeed, but I can understand why people won't like it. Nevertheless, I'll still go and see it when it comes out in he UK!

 

[Orion Pax]

Also, the height example you bring up is a ******ed argument when involving cameras and human actors. Dicaprio, and Tom Cruise never look as short in film as they are in real life. And they're chosen for their acting abilities. The problem with Bumblebee in the movie is that he is PURPOSELY and on-paper SPECS tall (much taller than Jazz for instance). That's wrong.

Sorry you see my example as "******ed" but Batman did appear a bit short in all movies where Michael Keaton played the role. Guess that whole camera angle thing wasn't used or didn't work. Personally, I didn't care how tall he was because it had NOTHING to do with the story. This is the point I'm trying to make. It's the character we fall in love with, not their design or their relation in height to those around them. The sad fact of the matter is this could be an incredible story and sci fi movie but people will still say, "Yeah it was a good movie but Bumblebee was still bigger than Jazz!" It just seams rediculous to me. My two cents.

 

[Orion Pax]

You made this comment in the context that the Autobots are the ones that are spot on in the script, and that's all that matters.

Well i disagree.

The name of this movie is 'The Transformers', NOT 'The Autobots'. I used to hate seeing the TF logo up on a billboards or what have you, and it would always have the logo in red, accompanied by the Autobot symbol; and by the looks of the trailer, Bay is doing the same thing. Flashing the Autobot log up there, and not the Decepticon logo. The Decepticon deserve equal billing, i've alway felt they weren't adapted enough. Just look at the G1 cartoon, season 1. Only a handful of Decepticon crashed landed on earth and what seemed like dozens of Autobots.

I haven't read the script because I want to see the whole thing for the first time in theaters so I don't know what the Decepticons are like or what their lines are (or lack there of) in relation to the script (and the only reason I read this thread is to get select details but I'm very cautious). My only experience with them is from what I've seen in the trailers and they appear ruthless which is how a Decepticon should be. The context of my statement was meant for all Transformers based on what I'd seen...not just the Autobots. I DO believe it is important that all of the Formers be portrayed correctly. The point I was trying to make was you can't judge a book by its cover. It's what's inside the character (Autobot or Decepticon) that really matters. Sorry for the confusion.