Sequels Official Spider-Man 4 Cast & Crew Discussion

[Alex]

As a stand alone movie, sure but as an adaptation of the book, no. He didn't even read the book. You think people are going to want someone directing their films when they don't even read the source material? People freak out because Sam changes some little things. Imagine if it was that hack directing the film? People would go nuts.

And the movie Children of Men COULD'VE been great and up until the end, I was enjoying it but then it just let me down and I started thinking about all the little things that bothered me about his directing. He's one of the most overrated directors around.

 

[notoriousnate87]

Venom's purpose was served in this movie. I already knew coming in that this was his one and only shot, and I was glad with the performance of it.

I without a doubt agree with you totally! Topher Grace's performance was excellent! I loved it!

 

[blind_fury]

And the movie Children of Men COULD'VE been great and up until the end, I was enjoying it but then it just let me down and I started thinking about all the little things that bothered me about his directing. He's one of the most overrated directors around.

Cuaron? Overrated?

Here's Raimi's last four wide releases before Spider-man:

The Gift (2000)
For Love of the Game (1999)
A Simple Plan (1998)
The Quick and the Dead (1995)

70% average on rotten tomatoes.

Here's Cuaron's last 3 wide releases:

Children of Men (2006) - made over 20 critics top ten list
Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban (2004) - made over 6 critics top ten list, about the same as SM2
Y Tu Mama Tambien (2002) - made over 27 critics top ten list

90% average in rotten tomatoes

How many directors average 17 critics top ten list for their last 3 movies?

He's been nominated for 3 oscars and has won countless international film awards.

He's also a damn good writer.

If anyone's overrated it's Raimi.

 

[DorkyFresh]

People freak out because Sam changes some little things. Imagine if it was that hack directing the film? People would go nuts.

yet, you're ignoring that Prizoner of Azkaban is the 2nd favorite HP movie amongst HP fans. i haven't read the book but from what my brother and sis-in-law (HUGE HP fan) tell me, Cuaron stuck pretty close to that book.

He's one of the most overrated directors around.

as blind_fury ask.....Sam Raimi isn't? you saying Cuaron is overrate is an overstatement. ask your average person who Alfonso Cuaron is and i bet you they've never heard of him. if you hold Alfonso Cuaron in such contempt then you must not like many directors.

 

[Maximum Carnage]

And you could play it better? He plays Peter Parker pretty damn well and even others in the industry say he's fantastic.

You didn't answer my question, go figure. If you ask for a raise at work, are you egotistical? Don't look at the numbers, look at the situation. He did a good job on the previous film and they want him back. It's not like all actors think they're king ****, it's just that they know that they did a good job and like all professions, you get more money when you do a good job. That's business.

And who is a 20 million dollar actor? Our of a many who make that kind of cash, who is?

yea alex saying I will only work for 20 million dollars would be my ego talking. what else would it be? my self respect? and I cant answer all your questions because you throw like 10 arbitrary questions my way with every lame post you make. ive noticed all you do is make crappy comments on what everyone else says; well basically, you suck.

I think you a little TOO into Tobey Maguire. Or maybe you want him to be into you if you know what im saying.

 

[DorkyFresh]

ive noticed all you do is make crappy comments on what everyone else says;

i've noticed that as well...

 

[Alex]

Cuaron? Overrated?

Here's Raimi's last four wide releases before Spider-man:

The Gift (2000)
For Love of the Game (1999)
A Simple Plan (1998)
The Quick and the Dead (1995)

70% average on rotten tomatoes.

Here's Cuaron's last 3 wide releases:

Children of Men (2006) - made over 20 critics top ten list
Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban (2004) - made over 6 critics top ten list, about the same as SM2
Y Tu Mama Tambien (2002) - made over 27 critics top ten list

90% average in rotten tomatoes

How many directors average 17 critics top ten list for their last 3 movies?

He's been nominated for 3 oscars and has won countless international film awards.

He's also a damn good writer.

If anyone's overrated it's Raimi.

I never said Sam wasn't overrated, but critics are all over Cuaron's nuts and they shouldn't be. As a movie by itself, I like Harry Potter PoA but he doesn't even read source material. Can you imagine what would happen if he made a movie? Fans would be outraged because he probably wouldn't be following the comics at all.

Oscars are more of a who is who of movies, by the way.

 

[Alex]

yet, you're ignoring that Prizoner of Azkaban is the 2nd favorite HP movie amongst HP fans. i haven't read the book but from what my brother and sis-in-law (HUGE HP fan) tell me, Cuaron stuck pretty close to that book.


as blind_fury ask.....Sam Raimi isn't? you saying Cuaron is overrate is an overstatement. ask your average person who Alfonso Cuaron is and i bet you they've never heard of him. if you hold Alfonso Cuaron in such contempt then you must not like many directors.

Um, no, not really. As just a movie, it's good and I will give him credit for making it darker, but as a book adaptation he ignored a lot of the book, didn't even read it and changed way too many things. And the producers and JK Rowling actually had to tell him not to do certain things.

I meant with critics and movie yuppies.

 

[Alex]

yea alex saying I will only work for 20 million dollars would be my ego talking. what else would it be? my self respect? and I cant answer all your questions because you throw like 10 arbitrary questions my way with every lame post you make. ive noticed all you do is make crappy comments on what everyone else says; well basically, you suck.

I think you a little TOO into Tobey Maguire. Or maybe you want him to be into you if you know what im saying.

It's nice to see you you need to resort to petty insults to get your point across. If this were any other actor, I'd probably say the same thing. Most people rag on movie stars because they want more money with each project their work on and that's bull****. If you were asking for a raise after a job well done, you'd take it. That's exactly what is going on here. That's the movie business. Just because it's a lot more money doesn't mean it's very different in situations. Just because you want a pay raise doesn't mean you think you're king ****.

 

[JackBauer]

Um, no, not really. As just a movie, it's good and I will give him credit for making it darker, but as a book adaptation he ignored a lot of the book, didn't even read it and changed way too many things. And the producers and JK Rowling actually had to tell him not to do certain things.

I meant with critics and movie yuppies.

dude, even Lord of the Rings changed a lot of s#!t, and it's considered by many to be one of the best adaptations ever.

and if you look at it from that point of view, of the adaptation, there is A LOT to be pissed about the Spidey movies. but Raimi made the changes he made (and there were a lot) work. most of them, anyway.

 

[Alex]

dude, even Lord of the Rings changed a lot of s#!t, and it's considered by many to be one of the best adaptations ever.

and if you look at it from that point of view, of the adaptation, there is A LOT to be pissed about the Spidey movies.

I wouldn't know, nor would I ever want to.

There's a total difference. First off, a book adaptation is different from a comic book series adaptation. There are so many stories and so many different versions of stories that they are given some liberty to recreate it a little bit and pick bits and pieces from different source material. Sam was also a comic book fan, too.

Cuaron made a movie about a single book, which he didn't even read and changed a lot of things that didn't need to be changed. As a movie alone, I do admit that I liked the movie a lot and that's the only reason I even bothered to rent Children of Men but I do not think he is anywhere near as good of a director that everyone claims he is.

 

[Cyrusbales]

Cuaron? where did that come from? The HP film was very basic, Children of men was partially shot in the way it was to be a quicker production and keep costs down, and to be honest, was one of the more disapointing films of last year.

 

[Alex]

Cuaron? where did that come from? The HP film was very basic, Children of men was partially shot in the way it was to be a quicker production and keep costs down, and to be honest, was one of the more disapointing films of last year.

It was very disappointing. It was so hyped up and everyone was like, oh it's so good, so I thought I'd take a look. I enjoyed Harry Potter even though I wasn't extremely pleased with it so I rented that, got into it for a bit and then just stopped. He had me in and then boom, no more.

 

[Cyrusbales]

I loathed HP azkaban, I felt it quite insulting as a viewer, and degrading in terms of intelligence, and horrifically unoriginal(I haven't read the books) in both narrative and cinematic terms. Any monkey with a camera could have done the same job.

 

[JackBauer]

I wouldn't know, nor would I ever want to.

There's a total difference. First off, a book adaptation is different from a comic book series adaptation. There are so many stories and so many different versions of stories that they are given some liberty to recreate it a little bit and pick bits and pieces from different source material. Sam was also a comic book fan, too.

Cuaron made a movie about a single book, which he didn't even read and changed a lot of things that didn't need to be changed. As a movie alone, I do admit that I liked the movie a lot and that's the only reason I even bothered to rent Children of Men but I do not think he is anywhere near as good of a director that everyone claims he is.

I honestly don't see the difference. if we were talking about some retconned stuff, or s#!t so bad it's ignored as it should be, that'd be one thing. but Gwen has always been Peter's first great love. Mary Jane was never the girl next door type at first.

I could go on and on about the basics that Raimi changed for his satisfaction. he changed stuff that didn't need to be changed just as much as Cuaron. and Cuaron wasn't the writer, it was Steve Kloves.

 

[JackBauer]

I loathed HP azkaban, I felt it quite insulting as a viewer, and degrading in terms of intelligence, and horrifically unoriginal(I haven't read the books) in both narrative and cinematic terms. Any monkey with a camera could have done the same job.

I felt the exact same thing about the first two.

 

[Overman27pj]

I heard a rumor there was a scene after the credits....anyony confirm???

 

[Cyrusbales]

there was no scene

 

[Venom 1988]

I heard a rumor there was a scene after the credits....anyony confirm???

No there isnt any after the credits scene

 

[Alex]

I honestly don't see the difference. if we were talking about some retconned stuff, or s#!t so bad it's ignored as it should be, that'd be one thing. but Gwen has always been Peter's first great love. Mary Jane was never the girl next door type at first.

I could go on and on about the basics that Raimi changed for his satisfaction. he changed stuff that didn't need to be changed just as much as Cuaron. and Cuaron wasn't the writer, it was Steve Kloves.

The writer is there to pen the script and listen to what the producers and directors want. Don't blame the changes on Kloves.

And yes, I know but you're missing the difference. Comic book storylines are constantly changing so one should expect no different with a comic book movie.

 

[Alex]

I felt the exact same thing about the first two.

Columbus is a terrible director, though.

 

[DorkyFresh]

Um, no, not really. As just a movie, it's good and I will give him credit for making it darker, but as a book adaptation he ignored a lot of the book, didn't even read it and changed way too many things. And the producers and JK Rowling actually had to tell him not to do certain things.

I meant with critics and movie yuppies.

so basically...you're not satisfied with an adaptation of a book unless it's over 90% accurate? because the changes done to Prisoner of Azkaban were similar in nature to the changes done to Lord of the Rings (time constraints, leaving out certain moments, changing others to fit a 2 hour movie).

i take it you were disappointed with Jurassic Park as well......it had just as many changes as Prisoner of Azkaban.

 

[Cyrusbales]

well the LOTR changes were more than just a little, they raped the frickin books, especially in number 2.

 

[JackBauer]

me, I thought the books were f***in boring, but I can see how it'd piss people off.

 

[Alex]

so basically...you're not satisfied with an adaptation of a book unless it's over 90% accurate? because the changes done to Prisoner of Azkaban were similar in nature to the changes done to Lord of the Rings (time constraints, leaving out certain moments, changing others to fit a 2 hour movie).

i take it you were disappointed with Jurassic Park as well......it had just as many changes as Prisoner of Azkaban.

No, because I enjoyed Goblet of Fire. I found the changes made were changes hat didn't need to happen. And by the way, at the time, PoA was the longest book yet the shortest movie. Why?

Didn't read that.