Official 'The Hobbit' Thread - Part 4

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Kane52630 said:
Look at this trailer again and tell me how is this something you see on your front lawn like a stage play.

Yeah, I rest my case.
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That trailer is not 48fps. :cwink:

From Peter Jackson:”I personally wouldn’t advocate a 48-frame trailer because the 48 frames is something you should experience with the entire film. A 2 1/2 minute trailer isn’t enough time to adjust to the immersive quality.”

Spider-Who? said:
Once again, people need to stop thinking that The Hobbit will look like the motion smoothing on the TVs at Best Buy. The two are completely different.

Motion smoothing is an attempt for TVs to overcome the issues that 24fps have when being watched on a TV with a 120hz refresh rate. The TV analyzes each frame and interpolates entirely new frames in between. In other words, every other frame you see is artificial. THAT'S why it looks bad. Because it's a FAKE image created by the TV.

Filming at 48fps is entirely different, and the result will be entirely different because every frame will be actual, honest to god real footage; not a bunch of artificial pixels a TV magically came up with to try and compensate for a higher refresh rate.
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I know that. But there are complaints that the footage had a similar look.

I am not completely writing it off. I can't. I need to see it first. I really do want to see the final movie the way it was shot at 48fps and in 3D.

Until then I am going to be very unsure about this...
 
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Kane52630 said:
Alright lets put this into perspective since several people in here are losing their sh** for no reason, forget the 3d and the 48 fps.

Look at this trailer again and tell me how is this something you see on your front lawn like a stage play.


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Yeah, I rest my case.
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Trailer is in 24fps so your case isn't rested.
 
And you are expecting every theater to have a only 48 fps showings? Like I said before, this is not a big deal if your preconceived notions aren't comfortable watching it in 48 fps, there's going to be an option at most theaters for the regular 2D.
 
Kane52630 said:
And you are expecting every theater to have a only 48 fps showings? Like I said before, this is not a big deal if your preconceived notions aren't comfortable watching it in 48 fps, there's going to be an option at most theaters for the regular 2D.
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Most of us know there is an option. I will be watching it in 24fps 2D myself. What happens when our theaters "upgrade" and we no longer have an option? It is a year and a half til part 2. That is plenty of time for most theaters to "upgrade". Most may not even have an option by the time part 2 comes out. Option or not fantasy films do not need 48fps. Keep the super realism look to dramas, war films etc. I like my fantasy to look like film with an otherworldly look. If I want realistic lighting and grading Il go watch people LARPing. That's ust me tho. If it looks good then its all good, but if it looks ****** in any way I'm not going to cut its slack just because it is the Hobbit. Jackson made this decision and I just hope it was the right one. The canvas should serve the film not a directors desire to be first in a new frontier. There is a time and place for everything.
 
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Also though there might be a choice, does that mean the film cannot be criticized for looking poorly in the other format if that is indeed the case?
 
i talked to 2 animators yesterday. in school they teach animators to use motion blur to get a feeling of fast movement. in CGI they can control how much motion blur an object has. for example on Transformers they needed to remove some motion blur because the models were so complicated and when they moved it was only a blur.so they added and remove the blur shot by shot.

so i think the solutions is very simple. go scene by scene and look at the footage and make an ARTISTIC CHOICE how much motion blur to use. with 48fps you have such a clean image that you have the option to add motion blur or not. 100% control. isnt this what an artis wants? to have full control over the image?
why am i writting this ? because when directing movies you change almost everything form shot to shot. depth of field,exposure. so why not use 48 fps as a new tool where you can control how much blur the shot has? why should every shot have the same amount?
 
Six different versions of the movie will be available. Must be a record. Wonder if anyone is crazy enough to see them all. :)

More amusing is that there will be six different options for people to see the film when it opens - 24 FPS 2D, 24 FPS 3D, 24 FPS IMAX 3D, 48 FPS 2D, 48 FPS 3D, 48 FPS IMAX 3D
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It's nice seeing Alan Lee and John Howe working on The Hobbit. :up:
 
I noticed something: Perhaps they're not doing BIGatures this time around. Nice surprise by the end, btw.
 
I am a proffessional animator, and yes, while what thy told you is true, it's an entirely different animal when you're talking about adding motion blur to a live shot. The motion blur for transformers, for instance, is a set a parameters that looks at the various aspects of a 3d model, the distance from the digital camera, what type of digital camera, etc. you don't have that amount of control to create good motion blur for a live action scene.
 
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I noticed something: Perhaps they're not doing BIGatures this time around. Nice surprise by the end, btw.
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I think we will still see bigatures in the film. As stated in the video, the miniatures we saw were basically just templates for real sets that they planned to build.
 
Great video blog. The ending is ****ing incredible :lmao:.
 
Boom said:
Great video blog. The ending is ****ing incredible :lmao:.
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I hope legolas has a real scene like that in the movie flipping his knives and stabbing/slashing orcs cause there wasn't enough of him using the knives in LOTR. Hell I wanna see legolas doing a scissors head chop a la gladiator, stab and orc with the knives crossed then remove them in an outward slashing motion. Cant wait to see the next trailer I hope its released with TDKR it would make sense.

Also We haven't yet seen Thranduil.
 
Strange, I tested the link before I posted it. Oh well.

Edit: I know the problem, for some reason facebook isn't working properly with videos.
 
It's incredible how little Orlando has aged in 10 years.

He's still gorgeous... :atp:

*Ahem!* ...sorry. Fangirl moment over.
 
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