Official 'The Hobbit' Thread - Part 4

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Where's our video blog ?

 

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HQ:

The detail on Gollum is quite good.

 

[LecheNinyo]

Thanks for that joke. I needed it.

thanks for the useless, utterly pointless and inane comment. i didn't really need it but thanks anyway.

For me it is the other way around. Part 1 was a pretty good film, that had its own story that was mostly well paced. Part 2 is more emotional and has some really nice bits, but it is kind of terrible overall.

now this one i can agree with you. i love Part 1 but i was soooo EH? with Part 2

still nothing beats Cuaron's Potter film as my favorite of the series (not that hard considering it's only this and Deathly Hollows Part 1 that i liked from the series, the rest ranged from mediocre to terrible)

 

[DarthSkywalker]

thanks for the useless, utterly pointless and inane comment. i didn't really need it but thanks anyway.


now this one i can agree with you. i love Part 1 but i was soooo EH? with Part 2

still nothing beats Cuaron's Potter film as my favorite of the series (not that hard considering it's only this and Deathly Hollows Part 1 that i liked from the series, the rest ranged from mediocre to terrible)

POA is my favorite aswell. But I also found OoTP, SS, CoS, and to a lesser extent GoF, to be all quite good.

 

[CGHulk]

 

[Doctor Jones]

At first I thought it was a picture of a cast of a new sitcom.

 

[CGHulk]

Weta Workshop uses 3D printing for helmets, axes…
http://www.theonering.net/torwp/2012/07/19/59401-weta-workshop-moves-to-3d-printing-props/

 

[obin_gam]

Weta Workshop uses 3D printing for helmets, axes…
http://www.theonering.net/torwp/2012/07/19/59401-weta-workshop-moves-to-3d-printing-props/

3D printers are awesome, now we can finally download a car! t:

 

[CGHulk]

I've known about this 3D printing for a few months now. Sideshow Collectables is located in my town. They have displays at my local theater and at high end home theater store. There's a large sculpture of Iron Man there. Optimus Prime and Netyri are at my theater. The three of them are clearly from their digital sources from ILM and Weta. The Optimus Prime statue could only been done from the digital wire frame model, the level of detail and accuracy is amazing!! Pretty soon there won't be any need for clay sculptors anymore.


Here's better quality of the EW pictures. http://www.elanillounico.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=3082

 

[regwec]

Digital printing is a crazy thing. It has huge economic implications, since it could theoretically remove the need for cheap labour in manufacturing. I bet the Chinese government isn't keen on the idea.

 

[Doc Ock]

At first I thought it was a picture of a cast of a new sitcom.

Hehe! That would be the best sitcom ever!

 

[dark_b]

i dont know if old or new.

Hobbit trailer at 48fps
http://www.fxphd.com/blog/what-might-the-hobbit-look-like-at-48-fps/

 

[ravn0s]

that did look different/odd from the usual 24fps, but i got used to it by the end of the trailer.

 

[Spider-Who?]

That isn't indicative of what the movie will look like in any way. It's just a conversion of the 24fps trailer, like what you'd see if you turned on the motion smooth function on your tv. A computer filling 1/2 of the frames isn't going to be anywhere near the quality of what the filmmakers actually shot. Honestly, I find this converted trailer to be a huge disservice to what the crew is trying to achieve.

 

[Victarion]

I've been perusing the forums of One Ring, and there's rumblings about Peter adapting so much of the material in the appendices that they might make 3 Hobbit movies...has anyone read that besides me?

I skimmed the dates/events and they might make a movie better than the LOTR trilogy. More intriguing events, you know. Also, was there a torture scene with Beorn in the book? All I remember is him giving the company a place to stay for the night.

 

[CGHulk]

This is the most recent information on the matter from Jackson. Anything about there being a third film is just rumor, thus far.

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=92560

“It’s very premature. I mean we have an incredible source material with the appendices because ‘The Hobbit’ is obviously a novel but we also have the rights to use this 125 pages of additional notes where Tolkien expanded the world of ‘The Hobbit’ published at the end of ‘Return of the King’ and we’ve used some of it so far and just in the last few weeks as we’ve been wrapping up the shooting and thinking about the shape of the story, Fran and I have been talking to the studio about other things we haven’t been able to shoot and seeing if we persuade them to do a few more weeks of shooting, probably more than a few weeks actually, next year. And what form that would actually end up taking, well the discussions are pretty early. So there isn’t really anything to report but there’s other parts of the story that we’d like to tell that we haven’t been able to tell yet.
“We’ve used more source material than ‘The Hobbit.’ For instance in ‘The Hobbit’ when Gandalf mysteriously disappears for chapters, it was never really explained where he’s gone. Much later Tolkien filled in those details. In these appendices he did talk about what happened. And it was all together a lot darker and more serious than what is written in ‘The Hobbit’. And also to be honest I want to make a series of movies that run together so if any crazy lunatic wants to watch them all in a row there will be a consistency to it, a consistency of tone.
“So I don’t want to make a children’s story to go into ‘The Lord of the Rings’ so we are providing a balance. I mean a lot of the comedy and the charm comes from the characters. You’re dealing with Bilbo Baggins who is a bit more reluctant to go on an adventure than Frodo was and with Dwarves who have a personality and camaraderie all of their own, so there’s a lot of humor but there are still some serious themes involved.”

 

[DarthSkywalker]

The Hobbit should of have been one film. Now we may get three.... This is really starting to get sad.

 

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The Hobbit should of have been one film. Now we may get three.... This is really starting to get sad.

I honestly don't know what to say.

If they're just planning on shooting additional material for the imminent extended editions, that's one thing. But stretching this simple children's novel into a trilogy A) loses sight of what The Hobbit is, and B) manages to lessen the stakes and scope of The Lord of the Rings. I mean, does The Hobbit really warrant just as much screentime as a sprawling epic that deals with the fate of Middle-earth? Does it really?

So we're getting even more material from the Appendices, which (despite what Jackson says) have very little to do with The Hobbit specifically. There are two, maybe three, sections in the LoTR Appendices that have any direct correlation with the events of The Hobbit, and I was under the impression that these sections were already incorporated into the two movies. So would someone please tell me what else is in there that has any business being in a faithful adaptation of this story, because I'm truly at a loss.

And while Jackson may be striving to create a sense of tonal continuity throughout the entire saga, he pretty much compromised visual continuity by shooting these movies in digital 48 fps, and by opting for more CGI and studio work in place of on-location shooting and miniatures/bigatures.

At this point, just rename these movies "The Hobbit, The Wizard, and Others" and get it over with.

 

[Thedudehimself]

The idea of a third film is utter garbage. Then why even bother to call it "The Hobbit"? If Jackson wants to tell 10.000 aspects more than just "The Hobbit", just call it "Chronicles of Middle Earth" or something.

I think it might be okay to extent Part 2 a bit, making a "small" bridge to the LotR Series. But other than that....I just call OVERLOAD!

Actually I m glad that the Tolkien Estade wont allow Jackson to adapt every story.

 

[Marvolo]

Jackson said it pretty clearly: the film isnt just the Hobbit. Why dont we wait to see what he presents in december and next december before damning the films and its crew. Christ people. The film sets in development hell for years, it loses its director, goes through lawsuits all while we set and wonder will they wont they. It gets greenlit and we clamor over each other in excitment. We see one trailer and hear a little talk about possibilities and we turn our backs and damn the film and its crew. Bunch of selfish entitled people arent we? You dont like what you are hearing fine be pissed be disgusted but dont pretend in december like you never said and acted this way. It always amazes me how fans can go from joy to disgust and back to joy walk out of the theater and act like they never said some of the hateful awful things that shows up on these boards. Come december it will happen again. The amnesia. Some will sweep all the hate under the rug and pretend we love it until something else comes up we dont like and we'll whine some more. Damn doesnt it just make you proud to be us. Oh god the hobbit might be 3 films? The horror! We are lucky to have gotten any film at all. We were lucky to have any lord of the rings films. We are lucky New Line saw an opportunity in 99 and backed Peter. But yeah Jackson wants to adapt more of Tolkiens material? He wants put more of it on screen? He wants to use the title the Hobbit? Well that just wont work because it has more than just the hobbit in it. Screw him. What a hack. A title is a marketing and licensing tool. How could he dare to use such a well known name that perfecrly fits the film about a hobbit. Well **** him for that logic and **** em all. How dare he!

Piss and vinegar in all of us.

 

[Boom]

Jackson said it pretty clearly: the film isnt just the Hobbit. Why dont we wait to see what he presents in december and next december before damning the films and its crew. Christ people. The film sets in development hell for years, it loses its director, goes through lawsuits all while we set and wonder will they wont they. It gets greenlit and we clamor over each other in excitment. We see one trailer and hear a little talk about possibilities and we turn our backs and damn the film and its crew. Bunch of selfish entitled people arent we? You dont like what you are hearing fine be pissed be disgusted but dont pretend in december like you never said and acted this way. It always amazes me how fans can go from joy to disgust and back to joy walk out of the theater and act like they never said some of the hateful awful things that shows up on these boards. Come december it will happen again. The amnesia. Some will sweep all the hate under the rug and pretend we love it until something else comes up we dont like and we'll whine some more. Damn doesnt it just make you proud to be us. Oh god the hobbit might be 3 films? The horror! We are lucky to have gotten any film at all. We were lucky to have any lord of the rings films. We are lucky New Line saw an opportunity in 99 and backed Peter. But yeah Jackson wants to adapt more of Tolkiens material? He wants put more of it on screen? He wants to use the title the Hobbit? Well that just wont work because it has more than just the hobbit in it. Screw him. What a hack. A title is a marketing and licensing tool. How could he dare to use such a well known name that perfecrly fits the film about a hobbit. Well **** him for that logic and **** em all. How dare he!

Piss and vinegar in all of us.

So I take it you don't agree with anything I just said.

 

[Marvolo]

So I take it you don't agree with anything I just said.

Lol, I guess you could say that. I just get tired of the cynicism and pessimism. It might turn out awful, or it might turn out great. We just don't know. Rather than waiting and seeing we just lash out and damn it. We turn on thgings so fast. Its all kneejerk reactions. Do three films automatically mean the films will bad? No. What seems to be the problem? It is called the Hobbit, but has more than the hobbit in it. This isn't the book. They took the book adapted it and added to it. The title works still. It is about a Hobbit who goes on an unexpected journey, and then goes there and back again. The title still works. Jackson is simply using these films as a vehicle to adapt the rest of the material into. This is the last chance we have of getting the apendices adapted. If it isn't used it goes back to the estate. Now some probably think it is better to not adapt it, but that is senseless. Say Jackson ****s it up horribly. It doesn't tarnish the books themselves so what is the big deal in letting him try?

Now I do understand that the Hobbit itself may get wayed down under the added adpated material, and may sink the whole ship. Make it all suck, and yes Jackson may have made a better film by only adapting the Hobbit itself. That is a strong possibility. But it is something we have no way of ever knowing. So best to forget about that because it is only going to upset people. In Decemeber, if it is a poor film I will without hesitation say it is a bad film. As of now we simply do not know and to get so mad and to damn it all based on a few words from its director just seems...childish.

Honestly, there are a few other things I think we should be worried about than a possible extended edition or third film that is still only wishful thinking.

 

[Fives]

They played the trailer for this before the Dark Knight Rises today, and it looked so awesome on the big screen. I was already excited about the movie, but seeing it on the big screen was just great. I can't wait.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Lol, I guess you could say that. I just get tired of the cynicism and pessimism. It might turn out awful, or it might turn out great. We just don't know. Rather than waiting and seeing we just lash out and damn it. We turn on thgings so fast. Its all kneejerk reactions. Do three films automatically mean the films will bad? No. What seems to be the problem? It is called the Hobbit, but has more than the hobbit in it. This isn't the book. They took the book adapted it and added to it. The title works still. It is about a Hobbit who goes on an unexpected journey, and then goes there and back again. The title still works. Jackson is simply using these films as a vehicle to adapt the rest of the material into. This is the last chance we have of getting the apendices adapted. If it isn't used it goes back to the estate. Now some probably think it is better to not adapt it, but that is senseless. Say Jackson ****s it up horribly. It doesn't tarnish the books themselves so what is the big deal in letting him try?

Now I do understand that the Hobbit itself may get wayed down under the added adpated material, and may sink the whole ship. Make it all suck, and yes Jackson may have made a better film by only adapting the Hobbit itself. That is a strong possibility. But it is something we have no way of ever knowing. So best to forget about that because it is only going to upset people. In Decemeber, if it is a poor film I will without hesitation say it is a bad film. As of now we simply do not know and to get so mad and to damn it all based on a few words from its director just seems...childish.

Honestly, there are a few other things I think we should be worried about than a possible extended edition or third film that is still only wishful thinking.

I think it is a valid criticism, especially when you take into account the last three films the director has made.

We had the potential to see another 3 hour tale on the level of FOTR. Instead this is starting to look like ROTK in all the wrong ways. What real chances are there now these films are well paced, self-contained tales?

And if it isn't The Hobbit, perhaps they shouldn't have titled it as such.

 

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Armitage's voice BOOMS on the big screen when he starts up the song.