Official 'The Hobbit' Thread - Part 4

[Sawyer]

Downside of watching Game of Thrones: Everyone in this franchise seems like an absolute ****ing pansy by comparison.

 

[Pink Ranger]

The lack of incest means less aggression, I guess.

 

[Bruce Malone]

Downside of watching Game of Thrones: Everyone in this franchise seems like an absolute ****ing pansy by comparison.

I recently re-watched the LOTR trillogy and to be honest while the battles were still amazing the characters sort of seemed to 2-d to me now. Everyone was so obviously good and obviously evil, which incidentally made gollum seem even more enjoyable to me (he was already my fav character).

He was the only character imo to be really flawed and have to deal with inner moral struggle. He would fit in quite well in westeros.

 

[Sawyer]

Sauron has nothing on the Lannisters.

Those bastards....

 

[Thebumwhowalks]

Downside of watching Game of Thrones: Everyone in this franchise seems like an absolute ****ing pansy by comparison.

I have not seen GoT yet, but that's what it's like after watching HBO's 'Oz', every prison movie/tv show seems lightweight in comparison.

 

[Pink Ranger]

Sauron has nothing on the Lannisters.

Those bastards....

Forget about the stupid ring, the Lannisters would have just bought all the land surrounding Gondor and economically starved them into surrender.

 

[Spider-Who?]

I recently re-watched the LOTR trillogy and to be honest while the battles were still amazing the characters sort of seemed to 2-d to me now. Everyone was so obviously good and obviously evil, which incidentally made gollum seem even more enjoyable to me (he was already my fav character).

He was the only character imo to be really flawed and have to deal with inner moral struggle. He would fit in quite well in westeros.

That's because lotr is ABOUT good and evil and the archetypes therein. Game of Thrones is about the revenge and deceit and stradegy that comes with fighting for power. I don't knock lotr for having decidedly good and decidedly evil characters (though they definitely have their own character flaws) because its an entirely different type of story with extremely different themes. Both works are amazing in their own right.

 

[regwec]

Yes- good and evil are big subjects and it is both brave and unusual to write about them directly without mollifying the themes with broader reference to human emotion. Allegory might well be the best method of doing it, though Tolkien always insisted that he never wrote allegorically.

 

[Asteroid-Man]

If I may, the Ring represents "temptation" and it wears off on Frodo and Boromir pretty harshly. LOTR as a whole is filled with symbolism and archetypes and every character follows a different character outline.
Aragorn for example follows the path of a "heroic quest", and Boromir follows the path of a "Tragic Hero" as per Aristotle. Gandalf is a great example of Deus Ex Machina. Sam, the unlikely hero. Marry and Pippin the jesting duo, very Shakespearean. Saruman is acts as a representation of Greed, with Wormtongue being Deceit, all working under Sauron - Evil.
Fascinating stuff there. Real fascinating.

 

[regwec]

I don't think you can claim that any character is precisely analogous to any particular theme. Saruman is interesting because, though you are right to say that he is greedy, he is as much about the dangers of compromise and pragmatism at the expense of principles.

 

[Asteroid-Man]

I'm not claiming that they are confined to a specific analogy, but merely that the ways in which their characters develop represent something more than just the next "Joe Blow" character in other films/books.

 

[regwec]

Yes, that's certainly true.

Who do you think are LOTR's most interesting characters? My thoughts are:

- Denethor
- Saruman
- Boromir
- Sam

 

[Asteroid-Man]

Isildur, Gollum, Boromir, Aragorn and Faramir.

 

[Boom]

TheOneRing.Net recently sat down with Conan Stevens. Apparently, there was a bit of a mix-up. Instead of playing Azog (who doesn't make an appearance in The Hobbit), Stevens is playing Bolg, the son of Azog and the goblin chieftain at the Battle of Five Armies.

http://www.theonering.net/torwp/201...its-conan-stevens-chats-with-torn/#more-55228

TheOneRing's moderator explained on the forum:

It wasn't supposed to be a big fanfare announcement by request.

The character *was* Azog when his role in the movie was announced. But, perhaps along the way they realized that Azog wasn't even *in* "The Hobbit," and that the orc who led the orc army on the BoFA was actually Bolg. That's only my theory - nothing official - but Larry did recently find out that the character is now Bolg.

As I speculated above, perhaps they got the character name wrong, thinking it was Azog, not Bolg that led the orcs in the BoFA. If they didn't (i.e., they knew Azog was not a Hobbit character name), then perhaps they were going to combine both characters into "Azog" so they could do some Moria back-story without the confusion of two similar orc characters, then later realized they could do the same thing with the proper character name, Bolg.

 

[kvz5]

Warner Bros. to Preview 'The Hobbit' at CinemaCon

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/the-hobbit-preview-cinemacon-314880

 

[Kane52630]

Hopefully we get to see a brand new poster.

 

[Boom]

Please let their be descriptions.

Please. For the love of God.

 

[Sawyer]

Probably thinking far too far ahead, but do we know if there will be anything at SDCC?

 

[Boom]

I think Peter Jackson said they'd be there in force this year.

 

[Doc Ock]

I think Peter Jackson said they'd be there in force this year.

Excellent!

 

[Thedudehimself]

Man, my anticipation for "The Hobbit" makes even "The Dark Knight Rises" look irrelevant.

Too bad we get only the FIRST PART this december.

I really wanna know where they going to place the CUT in the book for the two movies. Hmmm.

Also, I m curious to see how they will work Saruman and Legolas into the story. Hopefully they don t change the book too much arround, for it is pretty much perfect how it is.

 

[Kane52630]

colliderfrosty:
heard nolan is def here for the wb presentation. Also they've provided special 48fps 3d glasses to everyone when u walk in. #THEHOBBIT!

Those guys must be lucky as hell.

 

[Kane52630]

Alex Billington ‏ @firstshowing

Saw the 10 minutes of raw The Hobbit footage in 48FPS 3D. Intriguing, the footage looks amazing, but the 48FPS experience is an odd change.

There are going to be endless debates about 48FPS and how good/bad it looks. I just think we need to get used to change after 80yr of 24FPS.

 

[craigdbfan]

48/60fps always looks a bit peculiar. The eyes can never quite get used to them when it comes to movies at least.

For gaming it's preferred but for movies, eh.

 

[Armored Avenger]

I have been reading a lot of the tweets from people who saw the footage and the response to the 48fps seems to be mixed to negative. The common criticism I am seeing is that the film does not look cinematic and feels more like television. I guess we will have to wait until December to see for ourselves.
I am also less than enthused that the 10 minutes of footage featured a "Legolas and Tauriel action sequence". At least some of the riddle game was screened, as well as White Council and Dol Guldur footage.