Official UFC Thread - Part 2

[WillardNation]

How can you run and throw more strikes than your opponent at the same time? How can you run and throw flying knees and spinning elbows? I hate elitist boxing fans, but nobody catches flack for not being a dumb brawler playing to a limited fighter's strengths in boxing.

Greg Jackson said it best, "I'm no rocket scientist, but hitting a lot and not getting hit seems to be pretty smart."

 

[Project862006]

^nothing wrong with that but carlos clearly ran alot he actually turned his back and ran to the other side of the octagon

dont promise a dog fight and a war and say stuff like:

"I'm the type of guy the ref has to pull off you to save your life"

"I'm better and more diverse striker"

and then fight like he did no one tuned in to see a hit and run fight they tuned in because both normally bring fireworks

fans wanted nate/cerrone of excitement

 

[Paroxysm]

People tend to forget that it's a combat sport, not a straight up fight meaning there strategies that fighters can implement.

 

[E-Man]

Greg Jackson said it best, "I'm no rocket scientist, but hitting a lot and not getting hit seems to be pretty smart."

What the hell would Greg Jackson know? It's not like he hasn't trained and developed champions in multiple organizations. Just look at Carlos Condit. He's been training with him for almost a decade now, and he is just so boring yo. Dude is a decision magnet!

 

[B]

Condit threw 71 more strikes than Diaz according to Fight Metric. If anybody wasn't aggressive it was Nick. Instead of talking **** maybe he should have thrown more punches, but he whined like a girl when Condit wouldn't play idiot and just stand there and just take his punches so he could win. Just because Nick was moving forward doesn't mean that he was more aggressive. Condit was always attacking that whole fight while Nick was throwing his hands up and trying to goad Carlos into fighting like an amateur.

http://hosteddb.fightmetric.com/fights/index/3769

Your trying to argue that they guy that was moving forward wasn't being aggressive & pushing the pace of the fight..? And the guy that was on the backfoot & running for 5 rounds was the aggressor..?

To each their own, I'm not gonna change your mind about how Condit fought & your not gonna change mine. I've no problem with people fighting smart & to a gameplan, however when it makes you look like your running, it may get you a win, but it's gonna make you look like a punk. I'm not a Condit hater or a Diaz lover, infact truth be told I don't really like either.. but in terms of the performance I thought Condit looked like ****.

See GSP vs Koscheck or Jones vs Rampage for how to fight smart & do it with some credibility & backbone.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

See GSP vs Koscheck or Jones vs Rampage for how to fight smart & do it with some credibility & backbone.

Backbone, you say?

GSP avoided fighting Alves and Hardy in the striking realm. The same goes for his bouts with Penn (once he was tagged with a couple shots). In his rematch with Koscheck, GSP knew he wasn't going to be able to takedown Josh multiple times and he was aware of Koscheck's mid-tier/average stand up, so GSP played it safe and he employed the jab for five entire rounds. GSP followed the same formula for the Shields bout.

Jon Jones wanted nothing to do with Rampage standing up because of his deficiencies, but the reach advantage was overwhelming. Trust me, after being outboxed by O'Brien and rocked by Gavao, the last thing Jones wants to do is get into a slugfest with any heavyhitter.

 

[WillardNation]

People tend to forget that it's a combat sport, not a straight up fight meaning there strategies that fighters can implement.

Exactly.

What the hell would Greg Jackson know? It's not like he hasn't trained and developed champions in multiple organizations. Just look at Carlos Condit. He's been training with him for almost a decade now, and he is just so boring yo. Dude is a decision magnet!

I know, right?

 

[Project862006]

Backbone, you say?

GSP avoided fighting Alves and Hardy in the striking realm. The same goes for his bouts with Penn (once he was tagged with a couple shots). In his rematch with Koscheck, GSP knew he wasn't going to be able to takedown Josh multiple times and he was aware of Koscheck's mid-tier/average stand up, so GSP played it safe and he employed the jab for five entire rounds. GSP followed the same formula for the Shields bout.

Jon Jones wanted nothing to do with Rampage standing up because of his deficiencies, but the reach advantage was overwhelming. Trust me, after being outboxed by O'Brien and rocked by Gavao, the last thing Jones wants to do is get into a slugfest with any heavyhitter.

1st of all last time i checked gsp dropped alves

and struck with bj penn all day

 

[DoomsdayApex]

1st of all last time i checked gsp dropped alves

and struck with bj penn all day

By the third round, Alves was exhausted and dead-afraid of the takedown. GSP simply exploited the situation. Thiago isn't known for his hands, he's known for his kicks. It's the same way Story took advantage of Alves.

Yes, GSP landed a few fancy and clean strikes but they never harmed Penn, and were merely for setting up the takedown. George sought to takedown and pound out BJ, and he succeeded in four rounds. GSP didn't stand and trade with Penn, and hasn't (with anyone) since getting TKOed by Serra.

 

[Project862006]

i actually loved gsp's strategy of wearign bj's arms down so he owudl tire out then he picked him apart

 

[B]

Backbone, you say?

GSP avoided fighting Alves and Hardy in the striking realm. The same goes for his bouts with Penn (once he was tagged with a couple shots). In his rematch with Koscheck, GSP knew he wasn't going to be able to takedown Josh multiple times and he was aware of Koscheck's mid-tier/average stand up, so GSP played it safe and he employed the jab for five entire rounds. GSP followed the same formula for the Shields bout.

I didn't mention the Alves or Hardy GSP bouts because they aren't as good examples of backbone with a gameplan, however in regards to Alves & Hardy, both are strikers with limited grappling. Their best chance of winning was on the feet. While GSP is talented enough to have stood with both, he removed their chances of winning completely by putting both on their back & beating them up for 5 rounds.

Your exactly right with the takedown issue with Koscheck, he knew taking him down wouldn't be as easy as it was the first time & this time Koscheck was coming in with slightly better hands & KO power, so he completely outboxed Koscheck for 5 rounds & used his striking to take Koscheck down 2 or 3 times. He didn't run from Koscheck's power or pressure, he used his jab to make Koscheck think twice about everything he did.. and in turn he hit him with so many he destroyed Koscheck's face.

As for BJ Penn, come on man, GSP had him all day he picked him apart on the feet & on the ground on both occassions.

The GSP/Shields matchup was a poor performance & poor display of his skills, he had far superior striking to Shields who was less of a threat than Koscheck standing & he wasn't half as effective as he had been against Koscheck.

Jon Jones wanted nothing to do with Rampage standing up because of his deficiencies, but the reach advantage was overwhelming. Trust me, after being outboxed by O'Brien and rocked by Gavao, the last thing Jones wants to do is get into a slugfest with any heavyhitter.

And yet, he stood with Rampage for 3 1/2 rounds..

Jones had an excellent gameplan to deal with Rampage's striking. He used varying leg kicks to stop Rampage closing the distance significantly & when Jones did attack he exclusively threw straights & jabs, no hooks as Rampage is at his strongest when he rolls off an opponents hook.

He didn't run from Rampage or constantly backpedal for the entier bout like Condit did against Diaz even though Quinton was walking him down most of the time much like Diaz does.

 

[E-Man]

Exactly.



I know, right?

Btw, your coach looked good for a short notice fight at a higher weight class. I thought he should have won, but hopefully the UFC will bring him back to fight at 155.

 

[CrypticOne]

Dana said that Nick might get a rematch. Good news to me.

But....Condit doesn't want to take the fight. HAHA! That just shows you something right there.

I could see if Condit beat Nick, he wouldn't want to take the fight. But he didn't beat him, he outpointed him.

He better accept the fight.

 

[E-Man]

So let me get this straight. Diaz before the fight said that if he won he would wait for GSP because that's the fight he wants. Now that Condit won and did he's doing the same thing and fans are villifying him for it.

What's the point of him fighting Nick again? It's a no win situation. If he wins in any fashion beyond a Super Street Fighter style Feilong knockout Diaz fans will just claim that he didn't win the first fight anyway so that another rematch is needed to "even it out."

If he loses Diaz and his fans will just claim that Nick is up 2-0 over Carlos and that he should just wait on GSP. Condit is right here. Let Diaz and his whiny fanbase go away from MMA while he either waits for GSP or fights someone more deserving of an interim title shot like Ellenberger/Sanchez or someone like Kampmann.

 

[CrypticOne]

Why does it always go back to whiny fanbases?! I want to see a clear cut winner. Not a point match. It's called ULTIMATE FIGHTING CHAMPIONSHIP!

And Diaz said no such thing that he wouldn't fight another fight before GSP came back. HIS MANAGER SAID THAT!

The point of Condit fighting Diaz again is that it was a controversial victory. If he knocked Diaz out, no one would be saying anything. They would be excited that Condit would be fighting GSP then. But since he played it safe, people are not really looking for a GSP/Condit fight. That is why Dana wants a rematch. Cause the fans asked for it. And not just Diaz fanboys.

 

[Project862006]

i think you need a rematch on how split it is with mma community and fighters

the following MMA Community scored it for diaz

Dan Henderson
Jake Ellenberger
Mark Munoz
Kyle Kingsbury
Cung Le
Joe Lauzon
Ronda Rousey
Josh Neer
Yves Edwards
Marloes Coenen
Joe Rogan
Jason Mayhem Miller
Ariel Hawani
Matt Lindland
Pat Militech
Cody McKenzie
etc.

 

[Paroxysm]

I have a question, when Condit was "back pedaling" and Diaz's corner was yelling "CUT HIM OFF" why didn't Diaz listen and you know...cut him off? Seem like he wasn't listening to his corners advice. Huge mistake.

 

[Project862006]

yeah fight was boring no one tuned in to see a tactical battle and it was'nt even a good tactical battle

machida,jones was a good chess match of technique

this was'nt and people tuned in to see a war

 

[CrypticOne]

I have a question, when Condit was "back pedaling" and Diaz's corner was yelling "CUT HIM OFF" why didn't Diaz listen and you know...cut him off? Seem like he wasn't listening to his corners advice. Huge mistake.

Because when someone is literally turning their back and running away, you can't cut them off. Nick needed a Mazaradi to catch Condit.

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[Paroxysm]

Because when someone is literally turning their back and running away, you can't cut them off. Nick needed a Mazaradi to catch Condit.

Yes you can, Nick just didn't listen and because he didn't listen he lost. It's that simple. Why defend stupidity?

 

[CrypticOne]

Yes you can, Nick just didn't listen and because he didn't listen he lost. It's that simple. Why defend stupidity?

I'm not defending it. I'm just calling it like I see. Have you ever been in a octagon? Go and try and cut someone off when they are running away from you. Let's see how you do at cutting that someone off.

In a boxing ring, you can cut your opponent off pretty good, but in a octagon, it's a little harder to do. Especially when your opponent is running away from you.

 

[E-Man]

i think you need a rematch on how split it is with mma community and fighters

the following MMA Community scored it for diaz

Dan Henderson
Jake Ellenberger
Mark Munoz
Kyle Kingsbury
Cung Le
Joe Lauzon
Ronda Rousey
Josh Neer
Yves Edwards
Marloes Coenen
Joe Rogan
Jason Mayhem Miller
Ariel Hawani
Matt Lindland
Pat Militech
Cody McKenzie
etc.

Many of those guys have trained with Diaz, are friends, or as some have suggested have a bias because they are Strikeforce and/or California fighters. Plenty of other fighters have stated that they thought that Condit rightfully won. Most MMA websites scored it for Condit as well.

The funny thing is that people have gone to some lengths to fabricate fake tweets from fighters supporting Diaz. Someone said that Jon Jones said he thought Diaz won on Twitter, but there was nothing of the sort. I don't get doing stuff like that at all.

 

[Project862006]

Many of those guys have trained with Diaz, are friends, or as some have suggested have a bias because they are Strikeforce and/or California fighters. Plenty of other fighters have stated that they thought that Condit rightfully won. Most MMA websites scored it for Condit as well.

The funny thing is that people have gone to some lengths to fabricate fake tweets from fighters supporting Diaz. Someone said that Jon Jones said he thought Diaz won on Twitter, but there was nothing of the sort. I don't get doing stuff like that at all.

oh give me a freaking break LOL

some more who thought diaz won

Tim Kennedy
Jens Pulver
TJ Dilashaw
Joseph Bendavidez
Daniel Cormier
Michah Miller
Chuck Liddell
Anderson Silva

sorry i take the word from actual pro fighters who have fought and seen judging first hand than some mma websites

 

[brainchild81]

Bas Rutten said Condit won IIRC. I think everbody on InsideMMA did. Live action. Not tweets

 

[Project862006]

and thats means what? because it was live action lol

do tweets not count as opinions now?