Official UFC Thread - Part 4

[DoomsdayApex]

Because we would have heard about it already. Dana White isn't really the most private of people. And by penalty I mean a fine or something even to the extent of taking his title away for not fighting. Fact is, contractually Jon Jones is probably not obligated to fight anyone other than the person who he agreed to fight to. At most, he loses out on the money for the fight.

Lets put it this way, if there was a contract and it said Jon Jones had to fight whoever the **** Dana White wanted, Jon Jones would have been fighting on Saturday. He wasn't, therefore it's not outside the realm of possibility he will face no penalty for refusing to fight a replacement.

As for Dana White making his punishment sting? Yeah that's why he's letting him fight Belfort next month. Ooooh Dana White, don't hurt 'em.

Talk to Randy Couture, BJ Penn, Rampage Jackson, Roger Huerta, Nick Diaz, Pedro Rizzo, Jeff Monson, Tim Sylvia, Tito Ortiz, etc and then get back to me. Each one of these fighters has shared a story about White making their professional lives 'hell' when you piss him off. One way or another, Dana White does get even. He's the type of person who will help you out if you're in deep **** but the moment you screw up with him: "...he turns into a Great White Shark, and will eat you alive." [courtesy of BJ Penn]

Except football is a team sport and that's why they have back up quarterbacks. Again, terrible analogy not even close to the same situation.

Hmmmm.

 

[Darthphere]

Jesus Christ you're one dense mother****er. It's hilarious.

Your football analogy doesn't work because it's about a backup for the same team. Now, if you stated that it would be like the Raiders getting ready to play the Browns and all of a sudden Joe Montana from 1985 time traveled into the line-up, your analogy would still stink but it would apply better to this situation.

As for how hardcore Dana White is or whatever, give me a ****ing break. All those *******s keep fighting for him and come off as worse *****es than Jon Jones does for being afraid of pissing off the boss.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Jesus Christ you're one dense mother****er. It's hilarious.

And you're acting like a stolid child.

 

[Darthphere]

And you're acting like a stolid child.

Stolid doesn't mean what you want it to mean.

 

[Kane52630]

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Your football analogy doesn't work because it's about a backup for the same team. Now, if you stated that it would be like the Raiders getting ready to play the Browns and all of a sudden Joe Montana from 1985 time traveled into the line-up, your analogy would still stink but it would apply better to this situation.

My analogy makes sense for what it is.

The professional world doesn't halt because of a hiccup or unexpected circumstance. If a fighter gets injuried, then he or she has replacements ready to go when the boss calls. It's that simple.

As for how hardcore Dana White is or whatever, give me a ****ing break. All those *******s keep fighting for him and come off as worse ******* than Jon Jones does for being afraid of pissing off the boss.

Yes, because Jon is so special.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Stolid doesn't mean what you want it to mean.

Actually, stolid was once used as an alternative for 'dense'. Nowadays, its utilized to describe an impassive or stoic characteristic in a person.

Moving on...

 

[Darthphere]

My analogy makes sense for what it is.

The professional world doesn't halt because of a hiccup or unexpected circumstance. If a fighter gets injuried, then he or she has replacements ready to go when the boss calls. It's that simple.



Yes, because Jon is so special.

Never said he was, I'm just saying I don't buy into the hype of Dana White. Dude makes money making other dudes fight each other. You really think all these terrible, horrible, no good things he does to fighters is true? Please, he relies on these dudes for a living. He's not going to do anything that bad that might make him lose out on a fighter who can make him money. Quit drinking the kool-aid.

The football analogy doesn't work man, just stop. The fight game is a whole different world than organized team sports. Fights have been scrapped because of injuries before in other combat sports. Dana White should just take solace in the fact that his streak lasted that long.

 

[Darthphere]

Actually, stolid was once used as an alternative for 'dense'. Nowadays, its utilized to describe an impassive or stoic characteristic.

Moving on...

Yes, and since we live in the present, 2012 the word doesn't make sense. I mean the N-word was just another word for the color black way back in the day.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Never said he was, I'm just saying I don't buy into the hype of Dana White. Dude makes money making other dudes fight each other. You really think all these terrible, horrible, no good things he does to fighters is true? Please, he relies on these dudes for a living. He's not going to do anything that bad that might make him lose out on a fighter who can make him money. Quit drinking the kool-aid.

Wow. You really don't get it, do you? He's the 'man'. There's no hype. Dana White can be your best friend (Chuck Liddell), or a moody dictator (Tito Ortiz). He literally sidelined Roger Huerta for nearly 9 months for mouthing off. So, yes, 'believe the hype'. If he can make a guy like Overeem fold, then I'm sure a guy like Jones will shrink when he's face to face with the President.

You act as if Jon Jones is his main stream of revenue for White and Zuffa. You are aware that he still has Anderson Silva, Cain Velasquez, Jose Aldo, GSP, Junior Dos Santos, Frankie Edgar, etc? And you do realize that The UFC is the only game in town when coming to MMA? Right?

The football analogy doesn't work man, just stop. The fight game is a whole different world than organized team sports. Fights have been scrapped because of injuries before in other combat sports. Dana White should just take solace in the fact that his streak lasted that long.

My analogy does't bold with you only because you're taking it too literally. The whole point of my analogy was that there's always injuries and Plan Bs (back ups).

 

[Darthphere]

Wow. You really don't get it, do you? He's the 'man'. There's no hype. Dana White can be your best friend (Chuck Liddell), or a moody dictator (Tito Ortiz). He literally sidelined Roger Huerta for nearly 9 months for mouthing off. So, yes, 'believe the hype'. If he can make a guy like Overeem fold, then I'm sure a guy like Jones will shrink when he's face to face with the President.

You act as if Jon Jones is his main stream of revenue for White and Zuffa. You are aware that he still has Anderson Silva, Cain Velasquez, Jose Aldo, GSP, Junior Dos Santos, Frankie Edgar, etc? And you do realize that The UFC is the only game in town when coming to MMA? Right?

Hahahaha, ok. In your eyes Dana White is this badass and untouchable. Ok, keep believing that. Perhaps back in the day that **** would fly but clearly Jones was no afraid to tell Dana no and the only thing he could do about it was cry about it in the press.

And of course Jon Jones is not the only marketable fighter in the UFC but fighters can only fight every so often. I mean, look how losing one fight made a whole PPV collapse. There's only so many fighters out there that you can market and make money off of.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Hahahaha, ok. In your eyes Dana White is this badass and untouchable. Ok, keep believing that. Perhaps back in the day that **** would fly but clearly Jones was no afraid to tell Dana no and the only thing he could do about it was cry about it in the press.

You're under the impression that I'm some sort of Dana White fanboy. I'm not, but that doesn't mean he can't be a nasty individual who has the ability to screw you over one way or another. Why would these fighters lie? What do they have to gain from it?

If you believe Jon Jones isn't afraid of Dana White's wrath, then fine. Believe whatever the hell you want, but I see more credibility in Penn's words than a Jon Jones Fanboy's beliefs.

And of course Jon Jones is not the only marketable fighter in the UFC but fighters can only fight every so often. I mean, look how losing one fight made a whole PPV collapse. There's only so many fighters out there that you can market and make money off of.

It's The UFC. If they can make an unknown farmboy into a Hall of Famer overnight in the public's perspective, then Jones is expendable at the end of the day. The only fighter that Dana White and Zuffa ever regretted losing was Brock Lesnar.

 

[Darthphere]

It's The UFC. If they can make an unknown farmboy into a Hall of Famer overnight in the public's perspective, then Jones is expendable at the end of the day. The only fighter that Dana White and Zuffa ever regretted losing was Brock Lesnar.

Yet he canceled a whole PPV because of one guy. Yeah, any farmboy can become a big star, but they have to become a star first. UFC 151 was built around one fighter and look how that came back to bite Dana in the ass. Jon Jones might go on to lose his next 10 fights and end his career in disgrace. As of right now he's one of their rising stars and becoming a household name. Dana might be pissed at him but he's a businessman he'll make money off of Jon Jones or any other fighter for as long as possible.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Yet he canceled a whole PPV because of one guy. Yeah, any farmboy can become a big star, but they have to become a star first. UFC 151 was built around one fighter and look how that came back to bite Dana in the ass. Jon Jones might go on to lose his next 10 fights and end his career in disgrace. As of right now he's one of their rising stars and becoming a household name. Dana might be pissed at him but he's a businessman he'll make money off of Jon Jones or any other fighter for as long as possible.

Yes, the UFC is trying to make Jon Jones a household name but he's not exactly Silva, GSP, or Lesnar, now is he?

UFC 151 was built around the main event and co-main event, but this is hardly the first time The UFC has done this before. In fact, similar to 151, UFC 150 was built around the rematch between Edgar and Henderson with a solid co-main event.

The event falls apart because Koscheck and Hendo got injured during training camp and had to opt out. Yet, Dana finds a replacement for both bouts but when your champion refuses to fight the replacement, then, of course, it's going to bite Zuffa and the President in the ass. The UFC has never had a reigning champion turned down a title defense on short notice.

See, I'm positive prior to these events, Dana White and management never would of imagined that Jon Jones would act like a gutless spoiled brat.

 

[TheVileOne]

Yeah, but he's fought Martin, Lindland, Serati, Zikic and Akiyama -- four of which are cans and/or below average caliber opponents.

He got a quality win over Johnson but I don't see him hanging with the top dogs much longer at 35. Belfort is going to get picked apart and sacrificed next month.

Also fought and beat Rich Franklin a former UFC champion and Anthony Johnson who was on a winning streak.

 

[Project862006]

Rashad Keept It Real

"For me, it's a two part question for me. For one, you want to always keep it right for the fighters. It's great for the fighters to have the right to choose a fight. That is one of the liberties we do have, the option to say yes or no to a fight. But then on the other hand, you have a tremendous responsibility as the champion. You are the champion of the UFC. Not only that, you became champion of the UFC through circumstances like this. You had the opportunity to fight for someone that was injured. He stepped into a fight, after I got hurt, so he stepped in for me to fight Shogun. So, he was rewarded by the very process of somebody stepping in to take a fight. So, he owed it to the UFC to take the fight. Not only that, he owed it to all the other fighters on this card who are going to be missing paydays because of that. And lets not talk about how the UFC has done so much to make him the face of the UFC. They sponsored him. Everything he's gotten is because of the UFC, the whole Nike endorsement and everything else like that, has all been because of the UFC. When he got in trouble a few months back, it was the UFC who stood behind him and kind of made it go away relatively quickly. So, for him to turn his back on the UFC is very hard to believe, for one, but it's just disappointing. I'm sure one day, when he has the time to understand the ramifications of his decision, he's is gonna think, 'Wow. What did I really do?'"

the bolded really makes jones look very ungrateful

 

[TheVileOne]

I've pointed out the UFC sponsored him and supported him through the DUI ordeal.

Again I understand Jones' decision but considering everything IMHO he was not in any position to turn down a fight.

 

[TheVileOne]

Tidbit from Wrestling Observer on Jon Jones:

About a week before this all went down, he went on a radio show and talked about how Chael was undeserving of the fight coming off the loss to Anderson Silva, and that he was disrespectful and not the type of person he'd want to give a title shot to anyway. The host noted that Chael wouldn't be able to take Bones down, and unlike Henderson, also a wrestler, he didn't possess the power punch standing and wasn't a finisher. The host told Jones to take the paycheck and shut the guy up. At that point Jones said yes, you're right, I'll fight Chael any time, any where.

 

[VictorCreed]

And it keeps getting worse for Jones.

http://www.MixedMartialArts.com/news/419394/Jon-Jones-asked-Dana-White-to-call-off-Chael-Sonnen/

Jon Jones asked Dana White to call off Chael Sonnen.

Are you effing kidding me!?!?!

What is Dana supposed to do? Call Chael's mommy? How embarrassing.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

dufuq??????

Could Jones come off any more like p***y? Seriously.

Prior to UFC 151, I, at least, respected him as a Pound-For-Pound Champion. What the hell is left to respect now?

 

[TheVileOne]

More and more it does look like Jones was a little intimidated by Sonnen and his wrestling at the very least.

I respect Jones as an amazing fighter and athlete. He's exceptional no question. But his PR is terrible and as person he's not handling his business very well.

I mean but let's also remember it's not uncommon for athletes and sports superstars to act like this, entitled and in many ways spoiled.

Jones says he's in this for the money and to provide for his children's future blah blah blah and then he goes around getting drunk and crashing his bentleys with other women who are not his bride to be.

 

[TheVileOne]

Some good news for a change. Frankie Edgar is now set to face Jose Aldo at UFC 153 in Rio.

That is until someone gets injured and has to pull out .

 

[Project862006]

More and more it does look like Jones was a little intimidated by Sonnen and his wrestling at the very least.

I respect Jones as an amazing fighter and athlete. He's exceptional no question. But his PR is terrible and as person he's not handling his business very well.

I mean but let's also remember it's not uncommon for athletes and sports superstars to act like this, entitled and in many ways spoiled.

Jones says he's in this for the money and to provide for his children's future blah blah blah and then he goes around getting drunk and crashing his bentleys with other women who are not his bride to be.

i agree while people say jones should easily win i do think chael offers a different challenge while chael is'nt a finisher he has made every opponent feel uncomfortable

chael has the perfect style of wrestling to frustrate jones a guy just like anderson who like to set the pace and feel you out an gauge distance

hard to do that when chael pushes forward cosntantly

chael is just like ronda rousey they both bull rush you from the bell and make you enter their world

 

[misjuevos]

anyone interested OneFc is this morning 8:30 AM EDT.you can watch the undercard free on their website.
http://www.onefc.livesport.tv/liveevent/event/751271

here is the weigh in
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[CrypticOne]

Anyone hear about Aldo VS. Edgar at 153?! Can't wait.