Official UFC Thread - Part 4

[brainchild81]

you see kampmann slide across the canvas LOLOL

hendricks is ww hendo thats for sure

Yeah. He damn sure threw an H-bomb last night. ****ed up for Kampman. He shoulda got a title shot a while ago. He deserved it way more than Jake ''no damage” Shields did.

I hope the Jones haters don't think Jones is gonna get KO'd by Silva just because they want him to. I still can't pick a winner on that one.

 

[Project862006]

really shows how good koscheck's chin is

 

[B]

I think whichever fight happens GSP/Silva or Silva/Jones, I believe Silva wins them both.

However on paper anyway, I don't think either should be a walk in the park. If Silva has a weakness, it's being up against & taken down by good wrestlers. GSP's wrestling & top control is the best in MMA. Jones's wrestling isn't exactly weak either & while I'd say his top control maybe isn't as strong as GSP's, he does tend to do alot of damage in short periods on the ground with those short ass elbows he throws. + Jones would outweigh Silva & I would presume would be stronger.

Silva is technically & power wise a far better striker than both.

Both fights would come down to weight, height & reach I feel. People would be foolish to just write GSP off against Silva, while he will undoubtedly be outweighed on fight night by Silva, the height & reach advantage Silva has wouldn't be a million miles away from what GSP faced against Condit & due to the fact GSP is so explosive with his kicks, punches & takedowns, GSP's speed would be something that could balance things up a little on the feet from a physical aspect.. not so much a technical as striking is where Silva is at home.

Both fights are very intriguing & while I feel Silva would be favourite to win both, you'd be foolish to write either GSP or Jones off coming up against him.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Yeah. He damn sure threw an H-bomb last night. ****ed up for Kampman. He shoulda got a title shot a while ago. He deserved it way more than Jake ''no damage” Shields did.

I hope the Jones haters don't think Jones is gonna get KO'd by Silva just because they want him to. I still can't pick a winner on that one.

Silva's stand up is lightyears ahead of Jones. It's not even a contest. Ando has the superior head movement, accuracy and timing in the sport. Jon's jabs and elbows would miss Anderson by miles.

 

[E-Man]

One thing people should take into account with why Anderson would rather fight GSP than Jones is money. GSP is more popular than Jones by a pretty significant margin, so the money would be better. Of course a lot of MMA fans are dumb as **** and think people are scared of each other. Same thing with if GSP turns down a Anderson fight. He's in a damned if you do and damned if you don't. Take an Anderson fight and he's ducking Hendricks. Take a Hendricks fight and he's ducking Anderson. Considering that 29% of people voted to Fuel that they think GSP should fight Diaz next it shows how stupid that fanbase is too. I want to see GSp vs. Anderson really badly, but if he takes a fight with Hendricks instead I won't be mad. Guys are in different weight classes entirely, so it's not like Pac-Man and Mayweather.

 

[TheVileOne]

I don't like it either, but people are demanding the fight so what can ya do?

I'd much rather see Silva vs. Jones, but both guys seem averse to the fight and the timing isn't right for that one now anyway.

 

[E-Man]

I'd love to see Anderson vs. Jones too. Either one would be great to see. If it goes down here I'll try my best to go see it.

 

[CrypticOne]

Would both Anderson and GSP vacate their titles if the fight happened? Seems like the UFC would make this fight happen during the summer, which would keep the divisions without title matches until this time next year.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Some interesting stuff regarding Ronda Rousey signing with the UFC:

http://mmajunkie.com/news/31695/rou...ht-champ-cyborg-not-invited-unless-at-135.mma

 

[TheVileOne]

If they can't do Cyborg, there are other fights for Rousey: Sara McMann, rematch with Tate, they could bring in Marloes Coenen, and maybe Liz Carmouche.

 

[CrypticOne]

Yeah, I don't really care about seeing Cyborg fight. She's a cheater. Plus, her doctors told her not to cut down in weight because of health problems.

 

[Project862006]

If they can't do Cyborg, there are other fights for Rousey: Sara McMann, rematch with Tate, they could bring in Marloes Coenen, and maybe Liz Carmouche.

^even Cat Zigano is a solid undefeated fighter

thats thing cyborg needs this fight more than rousey yet she is being the difficult one

she is the one without a title,division,or public's respect yet it making all these demands

 

[CrypticOne]

^even Cat Zigano is a solid undefeated fighter

thats thing cyborg needs this fight more than rousey yet she is being the difficult one

she is the one without a title,division,or public's respect yet it making all these demands

Yeah, they should bring her in. Me and my friends used to train at her husband's school.

 

[TheVileOne]

Yeah Cat Zigano is someone they can put on the undercard and build up as an opponent for Rousey.

Now here is one thing I will disagree with Dana White on.

Dana White said Rousey would probably debut on PPV. However, doesn't anyone else think Rousey would be PERFECT for a Fox card?

Because think about it. Rousey has never been on PPV. She was a good draw on TV for Showtime. But here's the other thing, female fights do REALLY well on network TV. Gina Carano drew some significant viewership for her fights on CBS.

I think UFC should put Rousey on the April Fox card in her first title defense.

I know UFC is a PPV product, but they need more title fights on Fox to draw interest to those cards. I see Fox as the perfect testing ground for Rousey, women's division, etc. I think once you do that, putting a women's title fight on a PPV main event is an easier sell.

 

[CrypticOne]

I have to agree with you. They need to show the world Rousey first, then move her to PPV.

 

[Dr. Evil]

If they can't do Cyborg, there are other fights for Rousey: Sara McMann, rematch with Tate, they could bring in Marloes Coenen, and maybe Liz Carmouche.

Has she ever fought at 135?

 

[brainchild81]

Yep. IIRC That's who Tate got the belt from

Silva's stand up is lightyears ahead of Jones. It's not even a contest. Ando has the superior head movement, accuracy and timing in the sport. Jon's jabs and elbows would miss Anderson by miles.

There's ways around that tho & Jones is good at finding them. I seem to recall you thinking Machida was gonna KO Bones too. Your emotions get in the way of accurately predicting or judging a Bones fight. If this was a boxing match I'd agree w/you. No clear winner in this fight, that's why it's so damned interesting

 

[DoomsdayApex]

There's ways around that tho & Jones is good at finding them. I seem to recall you thinking Machida was gonna KO Bones too. Your emotions get in the way of accurately predicting or judging a Bones fight. If this was a boxing match I'd agree w/you. No clear winner in this fight, that's why it's so damned interesting

As I recall, Jones had trouble dealing with Machida's speed and style. Many analysts gave Lyoto the edge in the first round, in fact. It wasn't until the second round when Jon took Machida down and delivered GnP that the fight changed. Jones' stand up isn't on par with Silva's. It's that obvious.

There's no way around it. It's been a decade. If there was a strategy to deal with Silva's striking, it would have been found already.

 

[TX85]

I'll be happy with which ever fight happens,Silva is the best/I'm a huge GSP fan&Jones is cool,Either fight should be great!!!

This is the best UFC card as a whole in a while imo,BJ will have a very tough&rough fight against Rory But i sure hope BJ wins it

 

[Dr. Evil]

Sara McMann might be next to go to UFC:

http://mmajunkie.com/news/31734/olympian-sara-mcmann-says-ufc-deal-is-in-the-works.mma

 

[brainchild81]

As I recall, Jones had trouble dealing with Machida's speed and style. Many analysts gave Lyoto the edge in the first round, in fact. It wasn't until the second round when Jon took Machida down and delivered GnP that the fight changed. Jones' stand up isn't on par with Silva's. It's that obvious.

No argument there. It wasn't on par w/Lyoto's either tho. You're making my point for me. Hell, I gave Machida the 1st round. In the end it meant nothing because Jones figured out a way around it and got Machida outta there.

There's no way around it. It's been a decade. If there was a strategy to deal with Silva's striking, it would have been found already.

That's crazy talk & I'm one of the biggest Silva fans out there. I could be crazy & say Jones can't be KOed because he hasn't yet. Just because other people haven't figured out a way around Silva doesn't mean Jones won't. Jones is a bigger threat than ANY of the people Silva's beaten. Same way Silva's a bigger threat than anyone Jones has beaten.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

No argument there. It wasn't on par w/Lyoto's either tho. You're making my point for me. Hell, I gave Machida the 1st round. In the end it meant nothing because Jones figured out a way around it and got Machida outta there.

Jones didn't figure anything out. He took Machida down. Granted, Lyoto has some of best TDD in the LHW division, but he made a miscalculation and Jones took advantage. From there, Machida never recovered.

That's crazy talk & I'm one of the biggest Silva fans out there. I could be crazy & say Jones can't be KOed because he hasn't yet. Just because other people haven't figured out a way around Silva doesn't mean Jones won't. Jones is a bigger threat than ANY of the people Silva's beaten. Same way Silva's a bigger threat than anyone Jones has beaten.

The fact is Jones' striking isn't on par with Silva's. Neither is his head movement and timing. Ando is the most accurate striker the UFC has ever had, and you expect me to believe that Jon has a chance standing with Silva? Hell no.

His jabs and kicks wouldn't hold up for long at all, and his elbows would hit nothing but air considering Silva is much too elusive for that.

The only edge Jon has over Silva is his wrestling, and I'm not sure if that'll be enough in the end. Sonnen's style is overwhelming but Silva stopped him dead in his tracks in the rematch.

 

[brainchild81]

Jones didn't figure anything out. He took Machida down. Granted, Lyoto has some of best TDD in the LHW division, but he made a miscalculation and Jones took advantage. From there, Machida never recovered.

Jones figured out how to take him down. Then he began taking him apart.

The fact is Jones' striking isn't on par with Silva's. Neither is his head movement and timing. Ando is the most accurate striker the UFC has ever had, and you expect me to believe that Jon has a chance standing with Silva? Hell no.

You misunderstand me. We agree on Silva's standup being better than Bones'. No need to keep repeating it. Bones way around it IS his wrestling. Same as it was w/Machida. I never even implied Bones could stand up w/Silva.

His jabs and kicks wouldn't hold up for long at all, and his elbows would hit nothing but air considering Silva is much too elusive for that.

The only edge Jon has over Silva is his wrestling, and I'm not sure if that'll be enough in the end. Sonnen's style is overwhelming but Silva stopped him dead in his tracks in the rematch.

Fail Sonnen isn't a MMArtist. He's a wrestler. Period & a featherfisted one @that. He's not a finisher. He hit Silva a thousand times while hopped up on Testosterone ''supplements” & didn't leave a mark on him or finish him. His ONLY finish in UFC was a choke on Stann, who's horrible off his back & had lousy TDD. Fail was NEVER a threat to Silva.
Bones IS a finisher. He's not featherfisted & has vicious GNP. If he gets Silva on the ground he can do waaaaaay more damage than Fail did

 

[Project862006]

 

[CrypticOne]

Sonnen's going to get destroyed.