Official UFC Thread - Part 5

[Marvin]

Nah, not really. She was never known for knockout power. Just outstriking people on route to a decision, maybe a doctor's stoppage. But she never fought anyone of the athletic calibre of Rousey. Other than Cyborg, who handled her pretty badly. WMMA today is a whole different ballgame now, and the fighters are too.

She hits harder than tate. I'm not sure about the sheer amount of knock outs in the wmma, kinda like the lower weight male classes. I just personally respect gina's power. Granted I'm mostly talking about her in the gym. Cyborg handled her to a degree but ironically cyborg was the bigger stronger of the two...not to mention the roids

I've never seen this Zygano(sp) fight but looking at the tuff pool(I assume these are the women today) and Coonan. Gina/Cyborg are the sort to Rhonda needs to face.

Gina's MMA record is as tainted as Cyborg's. Gina was fighting much smaller women at a weight class she couldn't even make.

Steroids?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Steroids?

No, she simply fought women moving up a weight class or two. Then she would sign to fight down a weightclass less then her norm, and then miss weight. Meaning she fought opponents three weight classes smaller. Ridiculous and no real demonstration of skill.

 

[Marvin]

Which makes no sense. Weidman did more against Anderson in the first round tonight then Hendricks did against GSP over the 5 round fight he lost. Superficial damage is superficial damage. That Hendricks rocked GSP and wasn't able to finish the guy showed something about both men. That GSP had learned a little bit about recovering since Serra, and that Hendricks wasn't able to finish. And then proceeded to get outworked in the final round.

I want to assume this is hyperbole. Superficial or not, gsp's face suggests alot of serious jabbing and other things over the course of 25 minutes. Weidman did some decent work in Silva's guard, but landed some points even. But he was clearly in the man's guard.
I recall half the time him holding Silva's head down in the corkskrew(not any sort of submission I know of).

In the first fight Anderson did what he always does and the reason he got knocked out is because Weidman's combination confused him. He thought it was over, moved his head body into the wrong position, got knocked out.

His eye's were closed an feet were parallel, whilst his hands down. I suppose that's would qualify as confused sure.

 

[Perfect Cell]

She hits harder than tate. I'm not sure about the sheer amount of knock outs in the wmma, kinda like the lower weight male classes. I just personally respect gina's power. Granted I'm mostly talking about her in the gym. Cyborg handled her to a degree but ironically cyborg was the bigger stronger of the two...not to mention the roids

I've never seen this Zygano(sp) fight but looking at the tuff pool(I assume these are the women today) and Coonan. Gina/Cyborg are the sort to Rhonda needs to face.


Steroids?

Even in the hypothetical idea of Carano coming back after a 4 and a half year layoff to fight the best female fighter in the world, the fact remains that she has struggled MIGHTILY in the past to just make 145 (or, not make it), and she's significantly larger now, since she's not cutting weight for movie roles. 135 is frankly impossible for her. Might be for Cyborg as well. At the very least Cyborg doesn't want to try.

 

[Marvin]

No, she simply fought women moving up a weight class or two. Then she would sign to fight down a weightclass less then her norm, and then miss weight. Meaning she fought opponents three weight classes smaller. Ridiculous and no real demonstration of skill.

I didn't know she missed weight orr did that, every time, I also didn't know such a thing was as tainted, according to the commission as using steriods.
As for fighting outside of your natural weight, that's kinda the way it works for most fights. Granted people are supposed to make weight the night before the fight but..
Just look at Floyds last bout. Doesn't seem all that tainted this weight thing.

 

[Perfect Cell]

I want to assume this is hyperbole. Superficial or not, gsp's face suggests alot of serious jabbing and other things over the course of 25 minutes. Weidman did some decent work in Silva's guard, but landed some points even. But he was clearly in the man's guard.
I recall half the time him holding Silva's head down in the corkskrew(not any sort of submission I know of).


His eye's were closed an feet were parallel, whilst his hands down. I suppose that's would qualify as confused sure.

Uh, Weidman also scored a significant knockdown in the first round. Hit him right in the ear. That won't show much visible damage, but it's a hell of a lot worse for you than a jab to the face.

And he was using a can opener to break free of Anderson's guard. And it worked, since Anderson moved to a figure-four lock around Weidman's waist, which is a purely defensive posture in guard. But it also allowed Weidman to posture up and land numerous hard elbow shots.

 

[Marvin]

Even in the hypothetical idea of Carano coming back after a 4 and a half year layoff to fight the best female fighter in the world, the fact remains that she has struggled MIGHTILY in the past to just make 145 (or, not make it), and she's significantly larger now, since she's not cutting weight for movie roles. 135 is frankly impossible for her. Might be for Cyborg as well. At the very least Cyborg doesn't want to try.

I'm not disputing any of that. Ergo the post I made being wishful thinking. Not a fan of seeing Rhonda fight this current pool.
Not even sure why she was fighting someone on a losing streak that she had already beaten. I suppose dana can only do so much.

 

[Slushy]

http://www.4shared.com/video/dzStCpN3/Anderson_Silva_Broken_Leg_vs_C.html

Instant replay. Brace yourself.

 

[Perfect Cell]

I'm not disputing any of that. Ergo the post I made being wishful thinking. Not a fan of seeing Rhonda fight this current pool.
Not even sure why she was fighting someone on a losing streak that she had already beaten. I suppose dana can only do so much.

Well, she only fought Miesha due to Cat Zingano suffering a knee injury. Originally, it was going to be Cat and Ronda on TUF as coaches, but Cat was injured, and Miesha got popped into the slot in the last minute.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I want to assume this is hyperbole. Superficial or not, gsp's face suggests alot of serious jabbing and other things over the course of 25 minutes. Weidman did some decent work in Silva's guard, but landed some points even. But he was clearly in the man's guard.
I recall half the time him holding Silva's head down in the corkskrew(not any sort of submission I know of).

His eye's were closed an feet were parallel, whilst his hands down. I suppose that's would qualify as confused sure.

Anderson has done this many, many times. Never got hit. It is a technique he used to get his opponent's to engage so he could counter. One major reason it worked was because his opponent's got shook and stopped throwing with power and intent.

Are you talking about Weidman using the can opener? He used it to create space and to get Anderson to open up his guard a bit. And you seem to really want to ignore that he blocked Anderson's attempt to clinch, and then nearly knocked him out standing... again. t:

Finally Hendricks, while doing well and hurting GSP, didn't beat up GSP to the point that he broke GSP's body or will. If he was beating up GSP, GSP wouldn't have won the final round handily. We would have had Penn on his stool giving up kinda of stuff. A GSP who could do nothing but back up and hold on. Never got to that point whatsoever.

It is like the old Fedor meme. Cut up, beat up face, barely lost a second of his fights.

 

[Marvin]

Uh, Weidman also scored a significant knockdown in the first round. Hit him right in the ear. That won't show much visible damage, but it's a hell of a lot worse for you than a jab to the face.

Outside of the haymakers Hendricks landed in the mid rounds, he also scored those collection of elbows to the side of the cranium similar to what was seen in the HW bout tonight. And clearly I wasn't talking about a jab, but like gsp/kos2, the procession of jabs over multiple rounds tenderizing a face vs a shot to the ear (seemingly not capitalized on.)

And he was using a can opener to break free of Anderson's guard. And it worked, since Anderson moved to a figure-four lock around Weidman's waist, which is a purely defensive posture in guard. But it also allowed Weidman to posture up and land numerous hard elbow shots.

Yes that's what it was called.
And yes, this is what he spent a good amount of time doing that round whilst on top. Not my paradigm of dominance. More like even bjj.

 

[Perfect Cell]

Outside of the haymakers Hendricks landed in the mid rounds, he also scored those collection of elbows to the side of the cranium similar to what was seen in the HW bout tonight. And clearly I wasn't talking about a jab, but like gsp/kos2, the procession of jabs over multiple rounds tenderizing a face vs a shot to the ear (seemingly not capitalized on.)


Yes that's what it was called.
And yes, this is what he spent a good amount of time doing that round whilst on top. Not my paradigm of dominance. More like even bjj.

I feel like you need to re-watch the first round again after it hit the ground. Yes, Weidman used the can opener a fair bit, but eventually he did force Anderson to change his guard position, and it allowed Weidman to land numerous elbows while postured up. Elbows like that are coming down with your full weight behind them.

 

[Marvin]

Well, she only fought Miesha due to Cat Zingano suffering a knee injury. Originally, it was going to be Cat and Ronda on TUF as coaches, but Cat was injured, and Miesha got popped into the slot in the last minute.

I see

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I didn't know she missed weight orr did that, every time, I also didn't know such a thing was as tainted, according to the commission as using steriods.
As for fighting outside of your natural weight, that's kinda the way it works for most fights. Granted people are supposed to make weight the night before the fight but..
Just look at Floyds last bout. Doesn't seem all that tainted this weight thing.

Were you watching regularly when Gina was fighting? She claimed she was having "women troubles" at least once.

Doing that stuff has and always will be a huge stain in the eyes of fight fans and has been made worse since the concussion issue has gotten bigger and bigger. Fighting out of your weight class is one thing. Fighting 15, 20 pounds apart is ridiculous, especially when you don't make weight. For many it is as bad if not worse then PEDs. Mainly because the vast majority are doing PEDs.

Floyd split the difference with Canelo and moved up.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Well, she only fought Miesha due to Cat Zingano suffering a knee injury. Originally, it was going to be Cat and Ronda on TUF as coaches, but Cat was injured, and Miesha got popped into the slot in the last minute.

I am telling you, I think Cat can knock her out. I am praying it happens. I can't take Rousey anymore. She is a miserable human being.

 

[Marvin]

Anderson has done this many, many times. Never got hit. It is a technique he used to get his opponent's to engage so he could counter. One major reason it worked was because his opponent's got shook and stopped throwing with power and intent.

Are you talking about Weidman using the can opener? He used it to create space and to get Anderson to open up his guard a bit. And you seem to really want to ignore that he blocked Anderson's attempt to clinch, and then nearly knocked him out standing... again. t:

Finally Hendricks, while doing well and hurting GSP, didn't beat up GSP to the point that he broke GSP's body or will. If he was beating up GSP, GSP wouldn't have won the final round handily. We would have had Penn on his stool giving up kinda of stuff. A GSP who could do nothing but back up and hold on. Never got to that point whatsoever.

It is like the old Fedor meme. Cut up, beat up face, barely lost a second of his fights.

Last I checked, Johhny won the first round, but that's all opinion, popular or otherwise(see every major news publication that night) meme.
That's what I think of the numbers. You already know what I think of the fight rather pride scoring..

As for final round handily, I saw one more take down scored resulting in a 10-9......for some reason being given the same weight as round two or 4 which were near stops(if memory serves) not to mention that off ref interference thing whilst dude was clearly on the ropes. I never said gsp was on the ropes, just that there was a demonstration of a better fighter imo.
Similar happened when edgar outdid penn consistently.

anderson's success with his banjo style means little to me tbh. I give CW credit not just standing there like an idiot(see forest) and fighting like a grown up, but not much more.

Were you watching regularly when Gina was fighting? She claimed she was having "women troubles" at least once.

Doing that stuff has and always will be a huge stain in the eyes of fight fans and has been made worse since the concussion issue has gotten bigger and bigger. Fighting out of your weight class is one thing. Fighting 15, 20 pounds apart is ridiculous, especially when you don't make weight. For many it is as bad if not worse then PEDs. Mainly because the vast majority are doing PEDs.

Floyd split the difference with Canelo and moved up.

When floyd fought that man, that night, there was a huge weight discrepancy. It can't be as big an issue as one person being caught with roids whilst the other person is not.

and no, I wasn't watching.

 

[Perfect Cell]

I am telling you, I think Cat can knock her out. I am praying it happens. I can't take Rousey anymore. She is a miserable human being.

It's certainly possible, but Cat has to remain vertical. She has a decent ground game, but like Miesha, her only chance is on the feet. The advantage for Cat is that she's a far better striker than Miesha. Miesha had the absolute worst strategy tonight, with going for multiple takedowns, and having each one reversed, and then GOING RIGHT BACK TO IT. Frustrating. Cat is a significant threat to Ronda, no doubt about it. I look forward to that fight.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Last I checked, Johhny won the first round, but that's all opinion, popular or otherwise(see every major news publication that night) meme.
That's what I think of the numbers. You already know what I think of the fight rather pride scoring..

As for final round handily, I saw one more take down scored resulting in a 10-9......for some reason being given the same weight as round two or 4 which were near stops(if memory serves) not to mention that off ref interference thing whilst dude was clearly on the ropes. I never said gsp was on the ropes, just that there was a demonstration of a better fighter imo.
Similar happened when edgar outdid penn consistently.

The fighters know how the fights are scored. There is no point in complaining, especially considering Hendricks and his corner were depending on it to win the belt.

anderson's success with his banjo style means little to me tbh. I give CW credit not just standing there like an idiot(see forest) and fighting like a grown up, but not much more.

So what about tonight when he nailed Anderson standing while fighting out of the clinch? How many people on Earth do you think can do that to Anderson?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

It's certainly possible, but Cat has to remain vertical. She has a decent ground game, but like Miesha, her only chance is on the feet. The advantage for Cat is that she's a far better striker than Miesha. Miesha had the absolute worst strategy tonight, with going for multiple takedowns, and having each one reversed, and then GOING RIGHT BACK TO IT. Frustrating. Cat is a significant threat to Ronda, no doubt about it. I look forward to that fight.

True, she has to stay on her fight.

I understand what Miesha was doing early tonight, but she had to stop doing it midway through the second. Engaging in grappling instead of moving away was only going to work so many times. I understand the thought behind the strategy, but it clearly stopped working.

 

[Perfect Cell]

Announced at the press conference: Rousey vs Sara McMann in February. Cat's knee must be still healing. At least, I hope. I hope she wasn't passed over.

Edit: Yep, Cat won't be training until March. The Rousey/McMann card is UFC 170.

 

[Marvin]

The fighters know how the fights are scored. There is no point in complaining, especially considering Hendricks and his corner were depending on it to win the belt.

Like I said, I didn't see CW own his opponent the way Johnny did in my perspective. The why the commission scores fights is another matter.

So what about tonight when he nailed Anderson standing while fighting out of the clinch? How many people on Earth do you think can do that to Anderson?

If you aren't afraid of getting hurt, hitting someone whilst they have you in the clinch seems easier than hitting them whilst they are circling/countering and whatnot.

Good for CW for striking in the clinch. I look forward to seeing him move forward.

 

[B]

Crazy ending to the Silva/Weidman fight, it's going to be incredibly difficult for Anderson Silva to come back from a broken leg that bad, at his age, particularly in a sport like MMA.

I almost want to see him retire, even though I don't believe he is done at the top level, simply because I don't want to see him come back if he is going to be the a shell of his former self.

Which he will be, because mentally being loose & not overthinking things is what makes/made Anderson Silva the greatest. Everytime he goes to throw a leg kick, he'll have the thought of getting injured again in the back of his mind.. or at least that's something that would cross my mind but maybe that's why I'm not a top MMA fighter. It would be disappointing to see him go out like that though.

Weidman's initial reaction disappointed me, I mean it was hard not to see Anderson's leg was broken & Weidman's initial reaction was to raise his hands & do a lap of the cage. I'll forgive it as a heat of the moment type thing & because he did show class in the interview. I don't believe Weidman is the sort of person that would be that tactless.

It's also bad, from my perspective, for Weidman in which the fight ended. Simply because for me it still leaves question marks over Weidman's head as to whether or not he is the real deal or not.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Announced at the press conference: Rousey vs Sara McMann in February. Cat's knee must be still healing. At least, I hope. I hope she wasn't passed over.

Edit: Yep, Cat won't be training until March. The Rousey/McMann card is UFC 170.

That sucks.

Like I said, I didn't see CW own his opponent the way Johnny did in my perspective. The why the commission scores fights is another matter.


If you aren't afraid of getting hurt, hitting someone whilst they have you in the clinch seems easier than hitting them whilst they are circling/countering and whatnot.

Good for CW for striking in the clinch. I look forward to seeing him move forward.

We are talking about Silva's clinch here. It is legend for a reason. Punching out of that is not easy in the least.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

If Gina was allowed to come in way over weight again, yeah she'd have a shot. She could knockout out Rousey, but I wouldn't count on it. Cyborg rips Rousey apart imo.

Cyborg is all roids. She doesn't deserve to be discussed in even the same breath as Rousey.

Cat? You mean the chick who is smaller, older and less athletic than Tate is going to stand a chance against Ronda? Not a chance in hell. McMann is the fighter you're thinking of.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Well, if Weidman's last fight didn't confirm it, it did now. I don't care how it ended. Chris had Silva badly hurt in the first round. Dean easily could have called it when Anderson's head bounced off the canvas.