Official UFC Thread - Part 6

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I always wondered what the point of a fight night test if the results aren't finalized until after the fight. So the $$$ is already collected and the organization can act high and mighty afterwards? Illogical process.
It is really simple. To avoid fighters taking anything close to or on fight night. Anything from stimulates to diuretics to clear their system and to make weight.
 
CSAC has a rule a that fight cannot be cancelled or delayed until results from a pre-fight test come back.

Fans are two-faced about this issue. Fans say they hate cheaters and PED users but that's exactly what they want to pay for.

Fans knew Lance Armstrong and Mark McGuire and Sammy Sosa were dirty but they ignored it until they got caught.
I agree that plenty fans like to ignore such things, but I think it is a bit unfair to expect most to realize how corrupt the ACs are. Or truthfully how useless most drug testing is. The vast majority simply tune in for fight night.
 
********. All those ****ers were juiced to the gills and were never tested. Pride's first ever event in the US and four of the fighters on the card got popped.

Until it's proven, PRIDE has the superior legacy now, in my opinion. Fighters like Fedor and Shogun never tested positive on American soil.
 
Fans can say what they want but I have more faith in Pride's legacy (despite Japan refusing to screen drug testing) than the UFC's now. Could have Fedor, Cro Cop, Nogueira, Shogun, Rampage, etc used? Of course, BUT neither one of these fighters appeared to "improve" past the age of 30. In fact, the opposite transpired. A good portion of Pride's superstars who came to America aged considerably or went into decline with the exception of Wanderlei, Hendo, Overeem, Ando, Lombard, etc. Strangely enough, it's starting to make sense now.

Until it's proven, PRIDE has the superior legacy now, in my opinion. Fighters like Fedor and Shogun never tested positive on American soil.

Pride has absolutely no legacy.

The majority of those guys that fought in Pride were without doubt, juiced to the absolute gills. The last I read Pride had absolutely no drug testing policy in place at all.

Aside from that there is all the fixed fights & shady dealings between Pride & some fighters. People think it's a coincidence that the likes of Wanderlei, Cro Cop, Henderson etc, some of which whom, I think it's fair to say, dominated in Pride, come to America & fight in the likes of UFC, Strikeforce, Bellator or wherever & they can hardly string together 2 wins. I mean Wanderlei was 4-5 in his last UFC run, 4-6 if you count the lose to Ortiz earlier in his career. Compare that record with what he had in Pride..

Fair enough it's fair to say some of them might have just hit the decline in their career.. but there isn't really any of them that came from Pride & replicated anything remotely similar to what they'd done with Pride.. in fact not even close. Too many of them to be simply a coincidence.

Fixed fights and/or/combined with their inability to take the drugs that they were able to take in Pride, but unable to take in the US... or at least with the same free will anyway. The bottom line is even with the number of positive tests we've had in mainly the UFC in recent weeks, their legacy in general is still far superior to Pride's legacy which is quite frankly, a joke. It's sad to say that as well given these recent positives, but true.
 
Did nobody in here watch the Broomfield event last night?! Only one out of the ten fights sucked (**** you Patrick Walsh, you Pillsbury Doughboy ****), and the main event was Fight Of The Year worthy! Here's my full analysis:

~If James Moontasri can get his weight under control, his knee strikes and kicks are going to put a lot of people in the Lightweight division on notice. Glad to see a fellow Tae Kwon Do guy shine! As for Cody Pfister, he was in the right place at the right time when Sean Shelby gave him the big phone call, but once he got in the cage, the only thing he showed he was capable of was literally holding on for dear life. Since it was short notice at a weight class up though, he's probably going to get a second chance in the UFC, at 145.

~Tim Elliott is a scrappy bastard, and Zach Makovsky is a great technician! Their styles just blended beautifully together! How this fight wasn't on the main card, I haven't a clue, especially considering these guys were ranked #10 and #11 at Flyweight! The 125ers deserve way more respect than they get!

~Jim Alers looked good, but needs to improve his striking defense, because he could've won that fight. Chas Skelly's cardio was pretty bad, but he still did a good job, and Bang Ludwig's coaching really helped him. On a side note, I'm going to root against Skelly for as long as he trains with that prick Marc Laimon.

~Last night was probably Efrain Escudero's best UFC performance to date! His striking was on point, and every punch he landed looked like it hurt Rodrigo de Lima! I was very impressed.

~Ray Borg is certainly someone to look out for at 125. Chris Kelades proved himself when he beat Paddy Holohan on short notice, and Ray Borg just straight up outclassed Kelades on the ground!

~Kevin Lee VS Michael Prazeres was the battle of the confident up-and-coming 22-year-old VS the 33-year-old Special Forces Officer from Brazil, and while they both looked tough as hell, the 22-year-old had a much better night! Really impressed by Lee's skillset, and he's definitely someone to watch in the future. His voice doesn't match his physique though, which is hilarious.

~I didn't watch Dan Kelly, because I was so pissed at his opponent, Patrick Walsh for not making weight. It's one thing to miss weight, and look shredded/skeletal, because that means you're sucking yourself dry to make a weight you probably shouldn't be fighting at. Walsh has ****ing love handles, missed weight by 5 pounds, and had the *****iest smile on his face! It pissed me off, and I took to the internet to pretty much bash him for the entirety of the fight. I'm happy that Kelly won, but from the glimpses I saw, he wasn't too impressive either, but Walsh can go **** himself.

~Neil Magny is really coming into his own, and beating Kiichi Kunimoto in a dominating fashion like that gave him his sixth win in a row, and certainly cemented a spot in the Top 15! I can't wait to watch him fight again!

~I dislike Max Holloway's nose, and I strongly dislike Cole Miller's personality. Now that that's out of the way, I'll give my analysis... Miller should go back up to 155, because he is just not built to compete at that weight class. Eat some more food, drink some more water, and maybe he won't break as easily as he did last night. Max Holloway straight up clowned Miller, and Holloway VS Cub Swanson is gonna be sick!!!!!

~As someone who wants to compete some day, and as someone who is very anti-big weight cutting, I had a lot of personal stuff riding on whether or not Benson Henderson won. Brandon Thatch definitely made Benson think about what to do and where to move, even caving Benson's chest in with a punch at one point, but as soon as the championship experience kicked in, Benson found the openings he needed, and got that RNC victory! As for the fight itself, I was jumping up and down, in and out of my seat, and getting very animated! I loved that fight, and I loved that Benson Henderson won! I hope he stays at 170, and shows the bigger guys at Welterweight that the Lightweights can bang!
 
Until it's proven, PRIDE has the superior legacy now, in my opinion. Fighters like Fedor and Shogun never tested positive on American soil.
Fedor also got Olympic level drug testing for his Sambo matches every year.
 
Pride has absolutely no legacy.

The majority of those guys that fought in Pride were without doubt, juiced to the absolute gills. The last I read Pride had absolutely no drug testing policy in place at all.

Aside from that there is all the fixed fights & shady dealings between Pride & some fighters. People think it's a coincidence that the likes of Wanderlei, Cro Cop, Henderson etc, some of which whom, I think it's fair to say, dominated in Pride, come to America & fight in the likes of UFC, Strikeforce, Bellator or wherever & they can hardly string together 2 wins. I mean Wanderlei was 4-5 in his last UFC run, 4-6 if you count the lose to Ortiz earlier in his career. Compare that record with what he had in Pride..

Fair enough it's fair to say some of them might have just hit the decline in their career.. but there isn't really any of them that came from Pride & replicated anything remotely similar to what they'd done with Pride.. in fact not even close. Too many of them to be simply a coincidence.

Fixed fights and/or/combined with their inability to take the drugs that they were able to take in Pride, but unable to take in the US... or at least with the same free will anyway. The bottom line is even with the number of positive tests we've had in mainly the UFC in recent weeks, their legacy in general is still far superior to Pride's legacy which is quite frankly, a joke. It's sad to say that as well given these recent positives, but true.

The idea that PRIDE fighters underperformed or did not do well when they came to the UFC is a complete fallacy. If you compare their wins and losses to UFC fighters the same age or same era, the wins and losses are about even. Some did well, some didn't. Some even became champs and contenders.
 
Yeah, that Bendo/Thatch fight is definitely going to be a contender for FOTY. Loved watching it. Thatch had a tad too much respect for Bendo though, you could definitely pick that up watching it.
 
Fedor also got Olympic level drug testing for his Sambo matches every year.

Yep.

I feel rather positive that guys like Fedor, Cro Cop, Nogueira, Shogun and Rampage didn't juice. I had my suspicions with Wanderlei, Hendo, Randleman, Coleman, Lombard, and Barnett though.

It can be argued but unless the evidence is damning no one can question PRIDE's legitimacy when the UFC's golden boy... and a few others have been busted for roids in back to back weeks.
 
If we have to clean up the sport, that means people we like who are taking things they shouldn't have to get caught and pay the consequences.

If you really want a clean sport, this is what has to happen.

Silva and his camp should come clean and stop denying it.

For years we have known guys are cycling and taking gear and probably just not getting caught. Well it's time for everyone to be put on notice.

If that means harsher punishments and some guys getting fired, so be it.
 
I agree, but we know Silva isn't going to be honest and the UFC isn't going to do a thing to him. Dana's favoritism is sicking.
 
Chill out Skywalker, let's see what action they take tomorrow.
 
Chill out Skywalker, let's see what action they take tomorrow.
What are they going to do with him? Cut him? If they do, it is because he is retiring anyways. Dana and Zuffa made this clear years ago. They like you, you bring them money, you get chances. If not, you can be sacrificed.
 
I doubt the UFC ever breaks ties with Anderson. No matter what. Which is a bummer. And didn't he sign like a 10 plus fight contract?! Dana knows how to take care of his favorites. Just look at the press release differences between what the UFC said about Anderson and Diaz. Day and night stuff. Oh well.... I doubt we ever have a clean sport. That's just life though.
 
They put Bonnar in their hall of fame. How many test did he fail again? And he wasn't even a good fighter. :funny:
 
They put Bonnar in their hall of fame. How many test did he fail again? And he wasn't even a good fighter. :funny:

He failed two. Guess who else has failed drug tests. Ken Shamrock and Royce Gracie. Do you complain about them?

Like it or not DarthSkywalker, all fans are ****ing twofaced as hell over this issue. Gracie was never ostracized by the fans for what he did. If he did, it was shockingly brief.

Bonnar was let go from the UFC and suspended from fighting for a year for his drug test failure. So it's not like he wasn't punished at all.

The UFC forgave Bonnar because they still partly credit him for saving the organization. If the organization is willing to forgive him, honestly do not care. I do not like what Bonnar did. He broke the rules, but the UFC believes without Bonnar/Griffin and TUF, then UFC is not here today. They want to honor him for that fine.

Look at all the shady business Tom Brady is involved in. Think he's not getting into the Hall of Fame?
 
I doubt the UFC ever breaks ties with Anderson. No matter what. Which is a bummer. And didn't he sign like a 10 plus fight contract?! Dana knows how to take care of his favorites. Just look at the press release differences between what the UFC said about Anderson and Diaz. Day and night stuff. Oh well.... I doubt we ever have a clean sport. That's just life though.

Are NFL, NBA, and MLB clean sports?

In other news, here's a picture of Miesha Tate.

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It'd take me all day to kiss that ass.

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And nope, the other sports we watch aren't clean either. Let's not act all high and mighty about the UFC.
 
Shaub is totally right. There's no reason not to take PEDs. The consequences are minimal to non existant.

http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/news/450230/Schaub-Given-penalties-PED-use-makes-sense/

"Listen, I would love to hear an argument for why I shouldn't do steroids," he said. "Give me one. Let's say I take steroids and test positive. Say I'm a young kid [getting to the UFC] and I ask my dad, 'Dad, why shouldn't I take steroids?' Can I say, 'Well, you'll never be world champ.' That's not true. Anderson Silva's world champ. 'Well, you'll never fight for a title.' That's not true.


"Chael Sonnen tested positive, fought for a title. 'Well, you'll never be 'The Ultimate Fighter' coach.' Nope, Chael Sonnen, Anderson Silva. 'Well, you'll never be a main event.' No, not true. Alistair Overeem's a main event. Bigfoot Silva's a main event. 'Well, listen, you might get fired.' No, not really. Guys pop all the time. If it's cheating, everyone else is doing it and they're getting rewarded for it."

"You know what's infuriating to me? It's not that I'm not champ. It's not that I've lost some fights or won some big fights. It's more that there's just no reason everyone shouldn't take steroids. There's just not. In the UFC there's no reason. Someone give me a legit reason why you would tell a young fighter not to take them. I would love to hear a good argument. 'Well, you'll get fined $3000 and you'll have to sit out six months, maybe nine.' I fight every six months anyway."

In mixed martial arts the standard penalty for failing a Performance Enhancing Drug test for the first time is 30% of purse, a nine-month suspension, and if the fight was won, officially changing the result to a No Contest.


Those penalties are insufficient to successfully discourage the use of PEDs.
Fighters in the UFC compete on average twice a year, so the nine month suspension is practically speaking just 90 days more than they would have taken off already. Due to injuries, countless fighters take off nine-month stretches. It is an easy bid.


Having a fight changed to NC is not a big deal. Dennis Siver tested positive for human chorionic gonadotropin (hCG) last year, and had his unanimous decision over Manny Gamburyan changed to an NC. Ten months later he beat Charles Rosa, and then he got the biggest fight of his life, vs. Conor McGregor at UFC Fight Night 59 on Jan 18. Barely a year had passed since he failed the test.


Siver made $66,000 ($33,000 to show, $33,000 to win) at UFC 168. His fine was 30% of the purse, or $19,800. Siver still made a lot more than he would have if he lost.


That doesn't make sense.

In what field does getting caught at cheating leave you better off than if you lost? If you cheat on a test at school do you get to walk away with a C? If you cheat on taxes, do you have to give back just some of what you illicitly got?
 
Are NFL, NBA, and MLB clean sports?

In other news, here's a picture of Miesha Tate.

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Thumbs up for the pic.

But, those other sports don't include you getting into a cage and physically trying to kill your opponent. Guess there is a case for football, but that still isn't as physical as getting into a cage and fighting for your life.
 
I would say if you are not a big name fighter, losing 30 percent of your purse and getting suspended nine months is reason enough not to juice.

Brendan Schaub is kind of annoying. If that's the logic he wants to take then he should juice up and use the gear if he hasn't already.

Honestly, I don't trust any outspoken opponent of PEDs. There is a good chance they are cheating as well.
 
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