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I think this fight is a lose - lose for Rashad Evans & a win - win for Tito. If Rashad brutally KO's Tito in round 1 people will say Tito was washed up & he'd beat someone that was over the hill, however if he loses it will set him way back down the pecking order for a shot at the LHW title.

If Tito wins he'll be right back in the mix for a shot, possibly even 1 fight away from facing Jones or Rampage. However even if he loses, he'll still get credit for stepping in on very short notice to face the number #2/#3 contender.

Really in reality the one bad performance Tito has put in on his 5 fight winless streak (1 draw) was probably to Hamill, everyone else he has fought has been credible & tricky guys. Forest who is quite unorthodox/stubborn & Machida who at the time seemed unflappable & even more unorthodox. I mean his only other 2 fights were to Chuck who was fierce at the time before Rampage KO'd him & then Rashad Evans who he should have beaten had he not had a point deducted.

Tito I feel is more than capable of beating Rashad & I feel he still has the tools to impose himself on the top guys in the division.

Looking forward to this fight, the staredown at the weigh ins was fantastic.

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overeem talks about being cut from strikeforece.

Hmmm, Dana White seemed to say that Overeem was cut because of his managment/agents Golden Glory & the fact that they wanted Strikeforce to pay them & then they'd pay Overeem.

He said you can get away with that type of **** in Japan & other countries, but in America they pay fighters & then the fighters pay the managment.

 

[El Bastardo]

I hate Rashad Evans, but **** me he looked good.

 

[B]

Now THAT was the type of Rashad Evans that I could grow to like. A Rashad Evans that pressures mistakes & actually looks as if hes out to cause some damage/finish a fight. Really looked fantastic all round, particularly mixing up his strikes with his takedown attempts. The one thing that would make him even more damaging would be if his punches were alot cleaner & landed better. I don't know what it is but he threw a few punches & they didn't look technically that great when they landed.. and had they been just a tiny bit better he could have hurt Ortiz against the cage when he had started to pressure him before his massive takedown in round 1.

Credit to Tito, he took the fight on very short notice after fighting just 4/5 weeks prior to this & at least gave it a go. With a longer training camp & specialised training to deal with Rashad's speed & wrestling, then who knows. I definatly think Tito should get a few more fights, I'd somewhat look past this fight considering how short notice he took the fight.

But overall a fantastic performance from Rashad, the move away from Jackson's camp has definatly improved him both technically, physically & mentally and if he keeps putting on performances like this he'll add me to his list of fans.

Vitor put on a great show as well, I'd love Bisping (or Miller if he beats him) to be Belfort's next fight.

 

[misjuevos]

Hmmm, Dana White seemed to say that Overeem was cut because of his managment/agents Golden Glory & the fact that they wanted Strikeforce to pay them & then they'd pay Overeem.

He said you can get away with that type of **** in Japan & other countries, but in America they pay fighters & then the fighters pay the managment.

there was a follow up that talked about marlos coenen' tweet, here is an article about it. it shows that she was paid by the zuffa company directly, so this would disprove white's initial statement.http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/new...ims-of-Dana-White-was-paid-directly-by-Zuffa/

as far as overeem though he still wants to compete in k1 and dream but of course zuffa don't want that. so that is why sf was no longer willing to accept it when it was contract time. he is a little mistaken if he(overeem) thinks the ufc will sign him and let him fight in dream and k1.

 

[SuperSoldier985]

 

[Thieves Dont]

there was a follow up that talked about marlos coenen' tweet, here is an article about it. it shows that she was paid by the zuffa company directly, so this would disprove white's initial statement.http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/new...ims-of-Dana-White-was-paid-directly-by-Zuffa/

as far as overeem though he still wants to compete in k1 and dream but of course zuffa don't want that. so that is why sf was no longer willing to accept it when it was contract time. he is a little mistaken if he(overeem) thinks the ufc will sign him and let him fight in dream and k1.

Dana (and GG) have flat out said that he paid the fighters directly, and by GG doing so they just make Dana look right. That's not the issue. The issue here is that Golden Glory wants to be paid directly, and have tried to strong arm the UFC into agreeing with their tactics. Not happenning.

Edit: Einemo just posted this on twitter:

@danawhite dana i wanted to get payed by GG,you said no and it was ok, we worked it out,so...? i dont get it! the check was in my name

That further supports what Dana and Lorenzo have been saying.

 

[TheVileOne]

Hallman is likely gone for showing his junk tonight. What a ****ing idiot.

Golden Glory are a shady business. Fighters should be paid directly.

Also at the end of the day, people need to take some ****ing responsibility. Have you looked at some of the stories lately? The person to manage your money is yourself. Just be responsible. People are lazy and don't want to do their own tax work. They want someone else to do it for them and then it is no wonder they are scammed and ripped off.

 

[Iron_Stark]

Rashad won? Good grief, good thing I didn't order the fight.

 

[TheVileOne]

He won very impressively. Hit Tito with a nasty knee to the sternum and ground and pounded him. Honestly it is the best Rashad Evans has looked in almost 3 years.

 

[misjuevos]

Dana (and GG) have flat out said that he paid the fighters directly, and by GG doing so they just make Dana look right. That's not the issue. The issue here is that Golden Glory wants to be paid directly, and have tried to strong arm the UFC into agreeing with their tactics. Not happenning.

is this in reference to my first paragraph about coenen's tweet or second paragraph about overeem?

 

[Thieves Dont]

is this in reference to my first paragraph about coenen's tweet or second paragraph about overeem?

The first one about Coenen. Sucks that she was cut, but there are rules over here. Sounds like if they're able to work something out then they'll be back.

 

[Thieves Dont]

Rashad won? Good grief, good thing I didn't order the fight.

I've never liked Rashad, but he came out last night looking like a completely different fighter. It was unreal. Tito landed some really good counter punches and knees in the first, one that I thought would have put Rashad away. It didn't, and they both took part in one of the most exciting fights last night.

Really liking Rashad's new camp and training partners. Tyrone Spong was in his corner:

and is really helping Evans with his striking. Spong is a nasty nasty Muay Thai fighter and kickboxer. Some of the best stand up on the planet.

 

[Guardian17]

Hallman is likely gone for showing his junk tonight. What a ****ing idiot.

Was that the guy in the Speedo?

 

[El Bastardo]

Yeah.

 

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Did anyone see the post-UFC 133 press conference? Dana White awarded Brian Ebersole the first ever "Thanks for getting those horrifying shorts off TV as soon as possible bonus" after he TKO'd Dennis Hallman

 

[misjuevos]

The first one about Coenen. Sucks that she was cut, but there are rules over here. Sounds like if they're able to work something out then they'll be back.

it was a misunderstanding by coenen's tweet. later white came out and explained it more here. but initially all he said was GG wants the money then they will dish it out to the fighter. all i was referencing was his initial statement and coenen's tweet. which is why he had to later explain it further. based on his first statement it didn't make sense how she got paid directly, but now it does.
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i have to say i have never been a rashad fan, but do feel sorry for him. he was supposed to fight jones but somehow jones managed to get out of it. first he was injured so then rashad decided to fight davis. then jones is not injured so he is gonna fight jackson now. mean while davis gets injured and rashad had no one to fight. why couldn't they just match up jones vs rashad, their first matchup? instead rashad had to fight tito, while jackson gets a titleshot. poor rashad, he won but still has to wait for the winner now.

 

[CrypticOne]

Rashad Evans looked huge!

I still see Jones wrecking both Rampage and Evans though.

 

[E-Man]

I hated seeing Tito get beat like that, but Rashad is my favorite fighter(along with Anderson) so it's all good to me.

 

[misjuevos]

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chael sonnen q&a from ufc 133, pretty entertaining.

if you missed the 133 post fight presser
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[Mace Bloodstone]

Rashad Evans looked huge!

I still see Jones wrecking both Rampage and Evans though.

I think Dana thinks that too.. Put off Jones's fight with either of them as long as possible, that way his 2 stars are not in any serious jeopardy right away.

 

[Mace Bloodstone]

Matt Hamill retired which I think is good...

http://www.620wdae.com/pages/jasonfloyd.html?article=8941410

 

[TheVileOne]

Thank you to Matt Hamill for all he's done over his career. Dude had a good career and accomplished a hell of a lot despite his handicap. No one else has been deaf and been able to fight in the UFC.

Hope he can now rest his body up and be with his family. You shouldn't continue to fight past your expiration date and further damage your body more. That is why Dana wanted Chuck Liddell to retire so badly for a while. And that is why I think Dana White is a good guy because IMHO he and ZUFFA have done a lot more to look out for the health and well being for these guys more than just about any other combat sports organization. Did Pride FC ever have seminars about steroid abuse, head injuries, and concussions?

 

[LOBO3315a]

I liked Matt when I saw him on the Ultimate Fighter series. Good that he recognizes that he's not up to fighting anymore, and is hanging up his gloves. Sorry to see him leave, but it's for the best that he do this now while he is relatively healthy and can still lead a normal life.

On a side note, can you imaging the poor shmuck that tries to date his daughter, when he finds out her dad had fought and won against Mark Munoz, Jon Jones, Keith Jardine, and Tito Ortiz? He might just stand her up, lol.

 

[E-Man]

Thank you to Matt Hamill for all he's done over his career. Dude had a good career and accomplished a hell of a lot despite his handicap. No one else has been deaf and been able to fight in the UFC.

Hope he can now rest his body up and be with his family. You shouldn't continue to fight past your expiration date and further damage your body more. That is why Dana wanted Chuck Liddell to retire so badly for a while. And that is why I think Dana White is a good guy because IMHO he and ZUFFA have done a lot more to look out for the health and well being for these guys more than just about any other combat sports organization. Did Pride FC ever have seminars about steroid abuse, head injuries, and concussions?

I don't know about Pride since it died, but man they're really letting Sakuraba become worse than Holyfield over in Japan. hell his last fight his ear was torn and hanging from his head. Poor guy is going to seriously die in the ring if someone doesn't stop him.

 

[TheVileOne]

Well that's not just the promoters, that is the fighters too. Liddell basically had to be forced to retire. These guys are simply addicted to the sport and really that feeling they get when they win.

When I interviewed Chris Lytle he talked about winning the fight is one of the biggest "highs" he's ever been on and after a while you want nothing more than to get it back.

But yeah, I know Sakuraba is a huge star in Japan but he should've retired like two years ago. Stop carting him out. Sakuraba was a part of some classic match-ups but I mean it is wrong to just see him keep coming out like this, his body broken and barely holding together. I refuse to watch it.