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[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Avatar bet on that? It would make a big match more interesting.

I like that idea!

 

[E-Man]

Holy ****! The news just keeps coming! Bendo and Guida to be on the Nov. 12 Fox card! That's the exact fight I wanted to be on that card. *screams like a school girl*
http://ht.ly/6n1HO

Oh yeah, the source is legit. It's from MMAWeekly.

 

[zanos]

Shogun looked like he was using Forrest's head for a basketball. I'm still surprised by what I've seen out of Silva. He barely hits his opponents and they just go down. I really don't understand it.

 

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Shogun looked like he was using Forrest's head for a basketball. I'm still surprised by what I've seen out of Silva. He barely hits his opponents and they just go down. I really don't understand it.

I'm sure a lot of it has to do with where they land. My friends and I were playing basketball one time and my friend got a rebound so I was coming in to play D and he had the ball above his head, so elbows out, just turned, caught me square on the jaw and I got a little dizzy.

He also outweighed me by about 50+ pounds but he didn't put much into it, it wasn't like he was trying. Of course I also wasn't ready, but that just shows, with how a small, well placed shot can hurt a lot. imho

 

[zanos]

I'm sure a lot of it has to do with where they land. My friends and I were playing basketball one time and my friend got a rebound so I was coming in to play D and he had the ball above his head, so elbows out, just turned, caught me square on the jaw and I got a little dizzy.

He also outweighed me by about 50+ pounds but he didn't put much into it, it wasn't like he was trying. Of course I also wasn't ready, but that just shows, with how a small, well placed shot can hurt a lot. imho

I've seen alot of fights throughout the years and I've yet to see a professional fighter get knocked to the ground with a jab or glancing blow who wasn't facing Anderson Silva. I believe it happens, but it's just I've never seen it at this level before. Most knockdowns or knockouts are the result of a full or nearly full swing. Jabs and glancing hits are just shrugged off for the most part.

 

[Mace Bloodstone]

Brock vs. Reem sounds too good to be true!! I wont believe it until the night of the fight.....

but anyway

 

[Paroxysm]

Avatar bet on that? It would make a big match more interesting.

Sure, i'm game. So if Lesnar wins i'll sport a Lesnar avatar of your choice for a week/month and you'll do the same for me if Reem wins?

 

[E-Man]

Sure, i'm game. So if Lesnar wins i'll sport a Lesnar avatar of your choice for a week/month and you'll do the same for me if Reem wins?

Sounds good. I'll be rocking The Reem if he wins with some funny ass user title like "Bud Light's *****" or something.

 

[B]

Overeem vs Lesnar is a fantastic matchup

Could go either way, I think Overeem's best chance to win the fight is on the feet & Lesnar's is by taking him down.

Overeem has never really faced a HW of the size, power, speed & wrestling ability of Lesnar. If Lesnar is capable of taking Velasquez & Carwin down, I expect him to be able to find a way to get Overeem down.. which is why I say Lesnar by decision or TKO.

Really if I were Lesnar, I'd have asked to fight someone like Roy Nelson. He is literally only bouncing back from a life threatening injury/illness & is thrown straight into fight a top contender. He hasn't really had any fights or time to vastly improve his striking.. he is literally only regaining his fitness.

Some excellent fights coming up in the coming months

 

[Sakuraba]

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2011/09/brock-lesnar-vs-alistair-overeem-ufc.html

So Brock is going to fight Overeem. I think Brock is going to smash Overeem in a fashion similar to how Jon Jones beat Shogun. Overeem doesn't have the TDD to keep Brock from taking him down, and on top of that his cardio is piss poor. Yeah I know, Overeem is a really good striker and Brock got beat up in his last two fights, but he's got to keep it on the feet and I doubt he can. Brock takes down whoever he wants, and he's shown excellent wrestling in his MMA career. Overeem also takes punishment worse than most people in MMA. This is going to be Brock/Mir 2 all over again.

Yeah, but Lesnar takes punishment worse than the current incarnation of Valentijn Overeem. Which is to say not well at all.

I don't know if Overeem can stay up right against Lesnar's double leg, but if Lesnar is launching his shot from across the cage then his skull will be vulnerable to a knee. The clinch along the cage could be the most important area of this fight with Lesnar trying to grab a leg, putting his weight on Overeem, and Overeem throwing knees.

Another thing to watch for, given Lesnar propensity to launch unset shots, is Overeem's guillotine. I would actually pick that outcome as the most likely finish in this fight. Overeem wanted no part of Werdum on the ground, but he can flex a little mat skill in this fight.

It's a great fight because it's pitting two top heavyweights, is more or less a tossup, and has that old school skill vs. skill dynamic. Awesome stuff.

This whole Zuffa/Golden Glory fiasco actually worked out quite well for Overeem. Fighting Lesnar in his return fight on the yearend show, he'll get enough under-the-counter brown paper bag money to make his K-1 tenure look like chump money.

 

[DaveMoral]

I just got abreast of all the hulabaloo with Overeem. Frankly, it seems like a total set up to me. Strikeforce is going the way of Pride and WEC and fast. That's for sure. Whatever announcements have been made about Strikeforce remaining it's own entity ain't happening. That organization is about to be absorbed, with all it's fighters, into UFC. I mean, now we've got Overeem in UFC after kind of abruptly being cut from the organization on what sound like lame reasons in the first place. Your heavyweight champ, who didn't look like he was in tip top shape for his last fight despite how lame his opponent was acting(yeah, I though the Reem looked tired and was definitely not 100%), says he needs time to rest before he gets back in the ring.. and you cut him? Then lickedy split he's snapped up by what is now your parent company, into their promotion which is the hugest, slickest MMA promotion on the planet and he's paired up with Lesnar? Even though SF and UFC are the same company, if they were seperate promotions I don't see them giving up Overeem that easily or foolishly. Same goes for Nick Diaz and his match up with GSP in October.

The Heavyweight Gran Prix is the swansong of Strikeforce.

 

[Sakuraba]

I think when we hear the likes of Dana White and Lorenzo Fertitta talking about running it separately and wanting to do a superbowl or whatever, I think that's genuine. The only thing is they say these things as fanboys and they're not thinking it terms of practicality.

With Pride Worldwide, well, that was just a dumb idea to begin with. You invest into a dead market, you secure no bankable native stars to relaunch the brand, and then you send Dana White to negotiate with Japanese tv execs. Why are you spending $70mil to own a brand in a shrinking market? Ford announced plans today for a 2 billion dollar plant in India. India is a rapidly growing economy and the rising middle class there will want cars. That makes sense.

The people in Japan no longer wanted fight sports in numbers justifiable for a slot in golden time on network television. So the idea here is let's buy a brand that is dead in it's primary market, is at best a cult favorite in America and that cult status will be seriously undermined by a Zuffa produced Pride, and let's go ahead and fund Sakakibara's purchase of a football team. It was a completely avoidable disaster.

Trying to run Strikeforce separately never had any traction because the UFC needs talent in order to run it's 5,000 yearly shows.*

The whole concept of running UFC and XYZ FC as separate promotions competing with each other can never work because the same people in running UFC also run Zuffa. Their cannot be genuine competition under those circumstances.

 

[TheVileOne]

I hope Bendo and Guida make some fireworks. Awesome looking fight on paper. I hope they don't lay an egg.

 

[Mace Bloodstone]

Sunday Christmas.. Friday Fight Night.. Saturday New Year's Eve... That's quite a week.

 

[Paroxysm]

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2011/09/brock-lesnar-vs-alistair-overeem-ufc.html

So Brock is going to fight Overeem. I think Brock is going to smash Overeem in a fashion similar to how Jon Jones beat Shogun. Overeem doesn't have the TDD to keep Brock from taking him down, and on top of that his cardio is piss poor. Yeah I know, Overeem is a really good striker and Brock got beat up in his last two fights, but he's got to keep it on the feet and I doubt he can. Brock takes down whoever he wants, and he's shown excellent wrestling in his MMA career. Overeem also takes punishment worse than most people in MMA. This is going to be Brock/Mir 2 all over again.

I was looking up some stuff on Fight Metric and I found that Reem's takedown defense sits at 76% while his his takedown accuracy is 75%.

Mike Chiappetta writes

Unlike Carwin and Velasquez, Overeem does not have a wrestling pedigree, but he has historically exhibited strong takedown defense. According to FightMetric, he's stuffed 76 percent of takedown tries against him. Of course, it must also be noted that Overeem has never faced anyone with Lesnar's wrestling pedigree. At any rate, Overeem is probably experienced enough to stop a takedown without a setup. And given Lesnar's fairly basic striking game, Overeem might not have a great deal of difficulty seeing his setups coming.

http://www.mmafighting.com/2011/09/...t-risk-for-brock-lesn/?a_dgi=aolshare_twitter

 

[E-Man]

Overeem has great numbers against a bunch of nobodies and Werdum when he was flopping to his ass. He got ragdolled fighting Shogun, Nog, and Arona, and neither of those guys have Brock's wrestling.

 

[TheVileOne]

Overeem is a big dude and he hits hard. He does have problems though. His cardio is for ****. He was clearly gassed in the Werdum fight and he almost lost it. If Werdum was a three dimensional fighter and he didn't show up looking like he was on a diet of McDonald's for the fight, Overeem might've been in trouble.

His other problem is that he just throws big looping punches without a lot of power. That tires him out quickly and his punches don't have much technique. He doesn't like to throw jabs or straight punches.

 

[Paroxysm]

I don't think Brock will get a chance to display those skills. Reem will see those setups coming from a mile away. Remember, this isn't the same Reem that fought Shogun, Nog, and Arona. This is Uber Reem. He's jacked now (legal...i dunno) but he's a lot stronger than he was before.

 

[TheVileOne]

Paroxysm, that is easy to say when most of his big wins have come against tomato cans.

He beat Werdum but just barely.

 

[Paroxysm]

Werdum beat himself

and yeah Reem's fought some cans but who hasn't?

 

[E-Man]

Yeah, everybody fights cans when they're starting out, but the problem is that Overeem's career is nothing but cans and losses to all the good people he's faced. His best wins are a past his prime Igor, a freak injury when he fought Sergei, Paul Buentello, Brett "Hasn't Done Anything But KO Arlovski" Rogers, and Werdum doing the Thales Leites. Sure Overeem could tag anyone and beat them, but he hasn't shown much to disprove that he's so different from his old losses. Hell he was just standing there looking lost while Werdum tagged him with some pillow punches.

 

[misjuevos]

can't wait to see overeem vs lesnar. either it goes as usual, american wrestler takes down dutch striker and lays on him. or overeem will show great takedown defense and break the stereotype of dutch fighters against american wrestlers. i hope overeem wins by a ko. i hope this isn't mousasi vs king mo all over again.

 

[TheVileOne]

I think Lesnar has a shot here. I think it just depends on how much his surgery and injury and layoff effects him. Lesnar just needs to take the fight where he wants it. Be prepared to take shots and go through them.

Cain got rocked big time by Kongo, but he was resilient and stuck with his wrestling game.

 

[CrypticOne]

Lesnar is going to get destroyed! No way he makes it out of the first round. I say he won't even make it out of two minutes.

Bendo/Guida is an awesome fight! That is going to be a war! Fight of the Year. I don't know who will win. Both bring it, nonstop. I'm leaning toward Guida, but this fight can go one way or the other.

 

[Paroxysm]

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Me
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