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Creative Team: Craig Kyle & Chris Yost(writer) & Clayton Crain & Mike Choi(artists)
Team Members: X-23, Wolverine, Warpath, Wolfsbane, Archangel, Vanisher, Elixir, Domino
Storyline Info: In the post Messiah Complex world, the X-Men are no more. However, these are not the X-Men. Cyclops has unleashed the X-Force to take down the various threats that the remaining mutant population face, permanently. The X-Men don't kill, but these are not the X-Men.
Kind of brutal how Fantomex just wacked Kid Apocalypse. He was crying and everything I didn't think Marvel had the stones to do something like that in the 616 universe. Ulitmate or Max perhaps but not their mainstream Universe.
Damn, really? I'd heard Apocalypse came back as a little kid. I didn't know they'd have the balls to kill him off that way. Killing children is such a DC thing.
The dude is better than Wolverine at what Logan does
I thought they were gonna do something interesting with Apocalypse... and then Fantomex killed him.
Screw Marvel. And screw Fantomex.
Oxymoron. Apoc does literally the same crap every time he gets a story arc.
Fantomex put a bullet right in his forehead. Even Wolverine and Deadpool where like s*** .
They had him close Kid Apocalypse eyes just to show his not a completely evil. Even the Punisher wouldn't kill kids.
Louise Simonson handled him pretty well.
But Marvel sure doesn't know what to do with him. Writers seems to think that Apocalypse just wants to rule the world and sit on a throne made out of skulls.
The only part of Apoc stories I'm excited for is to see who he turns into his Horsemen and what they look like. They tried to do something diff with Apoc in the Ultimate Universe but it was crap.
Yeah, she created him. After Simonson left X-Factor, Marvel really should've just retired the character.
Wolverine and Deadpool are hypocrites. They've killed many an innocent.
and Deadpool did it for money
Fantomex is the only one who follows X-Force's mission statement : To eliminate all threats.
Uncanny X-Force #5
Story by Rick Remender
Art by Esad Ribic
Cover by Esad Ribic
Publisher Marvel Comics
Cover Price: $3.99
Release Date Wed, February 16th, 2011
There are innumerable and varying potential futures awaiting mankind. Between them exists only one constant: The rise of the Deathloks! Seeded in our present they grow, a time virus spreading across all possibilities, infiltrating the fate of mankind. One thing stands in their way; a man who shouldn't exist.
They come in waves, an army of time displaced Deathlok troopers made from Earth's greatest warriors; Captain America, Spider-Man, Elektra, Cyclops, Venom, The Thing, Bullseye--all soldiers in the army of Deathlok. All operating under one directive: Fantomex must die! The hottest book on the stands just gets hotter as fan favorite writer Rick Remender (Punisher, Fear Agent) is joined by superstar artist Esad Ribic (Wolverine, Loki)!
And maybe it's just because we saw Fantomex's misdirection used as a deus ex machina for three of the first four issues, but I half-expect to see a later reveal that Kid Apocalypse's death was due to Fantomex using misidrection on the rest of the team and he's secretly kept him alive to do something or other this or that.
Really my only complaint of the first few issues.
Wolverines approach to leadership is kill a few people, snarl a lot, and make Angel to take care of the paperwork
Cool, so Fantomex is keeping the Weapon guy from Morrison's run alive.
The future of Marvel's X-line continued to roll out today as the focus of the publisher's MMXI relaunch of the books turned towards "Uncanny X-Force." Writer Rick Remender joined the talk with members of the press along with editors Nick Lowe and Jody Leheup, and CBR News was there with all the news on the future of the black ops book.
The team started out by talking about the teaser centering around May's "Uncanny X-Force" #11 (whose cover by Esad Ribic is on the right). "These characters have been off the board for a while...and we wanted to try something a little different with it," Remender said. "It's tricky because we've announced that they're coming up, but we don't want to spoil too much...we have a group of X-Men and X-Force that will go to the Age of Apocalypse world...it's connected to some of the different arcs we've done in the book."
The writer and Lowe said that the Dark Beast character from the original "Age of Apocalypse" series will play a large role not just in the coming arc but the future of "Uncanny X-Force" as a whole. "This is not just a fun 'Age of Apocalypse' story that will have no bearing on the Marvel Universe. It will have a HUGE impact on the 616," Lowe said. "You do run the risk of telling stories that don't matter," Remender added, noting that he wanted to find a story that was worthy of taking the 616 X-Men cast into the world of Apocalypse.
"I think that there are fans out there going 'This is what Marvel always says...that'll it'll change everything!' but this really does change things," Lowe said.
When asked what sets this X-Force team apart from previous versions of the franchise, Remender said that the fact that the team of five heroes can't talk about their missions makes them a unique, true X-Men family. "People who are taking it upon themselves to assassinate the very evil [of the world]...I wanted to take it upon myself to be true to how that plays out."
Apocalypse himself came up, and Remender confirmed "The version of Apocalypse we know is dead," meaning that after the first arc, the classic take on the character is not coming back, but after long talks with his editors, the writer feels that he'll be able to tap into the villain's mythology from his connection to the Celestials through his obsession with evolution and find a real purpose towards an epic story. "The first 17 issues of X-Force is one big story told in five chapters," he said.
"Apocalypse is not the big bad in this story...he's dead. They killed him," said Lowe. "That does have to have meaning in this X-Force book or any death won't mean anything...The other reason this book is so attractive is that it dances on the skinny branches. It takes a lot of risks, and that makes it very enjoyable to me."
"Early on, we wanted to make sure there wasn't a lot of murder," Remender said. "It's an ethical slippery slope...that has to be give the weight it deserves. And beyond the ethical things we deal with, we have momentum on the book. We went through the first six issues and cut out the fat. Everything was boiled down to its core."
Remender reinforced that the long planning on the series has opened him up to seeding small details in a way that brings the book more in line with his work like "Fear Agent" and "The Punisher." Fans who stick with the series will see payoff from the very first issues even as the scribe remains flexible.
"The Age of Apocalypse world will be defined for you. The rules will be defined," Remender said before adding "I never, ever assume that anybody has read another X-book besides this." As the broad story has been built, only pieces introduced within the story will play a key role rather than simply throwing fan favorite concepts into the mix simply to drum up interest.
"Archangel is not there for a reason, and it's a reason you don't expect." the writer said of the absence of the winged X-Forcer from the book's teaser and cover. He also said that they're looking for a natural way to expand the team membership. "While there are some new members coming up, I don't think people will see it coming."
The issue of Deadpool's role in that family/team dynamic and his recent deflection from pure joking mayhem addict was raised. "People who are constantly joking, it's something of a defense mechanism," said Remender. "When I get into the character, I start seeing a three-dimensional character...killing a kid for me was something he had an issue with. I know this sounds strange, but I do see a bit of vulnerability in Wade. He'd be the one who was up late at night."
An appearance by the Age of Apocalypse version of Nightcrawler came up. "There was more and more to be mined out of [this world]," the writer explained. "Beyond the high-paced version of it, there is a lot of drama here." Wolverine's relationship with the Age of Apocalypse version of Jean Grey and Nightcrawler, and the latter will be a much more violent and active character than fans might expect from Kurt Wagner as this version was raised in hell.
As for how the team makes it to the AoA world and why they go there, "
There is something in the Age of Apocalypse or someone in the Age of Apocalypse that they need for some reason. When you're dealing with dimension-hopping, one thing that is incredibly important is to find a way to make it significant," said the writer. "One thing we've spent a whole lot of time doing is that when we knew we had to go there for this mission, we also had to find a way for this to move the story forward.
"Once you see what the results are, they're long lasting. If the dimension-hopping happened too much, it wouldn't work well. It works best on a limited basis."
Continuity came up in terms of where this Age of Apocalypse story fits with previous trips to this world. "It's ten years after the 2005 series. It's been a while. The world has changed and not for the better. The person involved in it is a big deal, and [the mythology of] Apocalypse plays a major role...it puts our team in a tough spot because these are alternate version of their friends, but they've got their own mission as well." Remender added that Jean Grey's role as well as that of the Silver Samurai will help place what fans know of Age of Apocalypse.
Remender's new role as the revitalizer of '90s franchises like "X-Force" and "Venom" was discussed as he said that despite the fact he had moved on to mostly indie comics during the heyday of the '90s and stories like Age of Apocalypse "I was deeply, deeply in the scene when Venom hit and X-Force hit and Deathlok...those things are so incredibly iconic that when I was presented with the job, I immediately had a year's worth of stories. I didn't expect that to be the case, but it was."
As for art teams coming up in the book, three issues by Billy Tan will be followed by Mark Brooks for three AoA issues, and the Jerome Opeña comes back after that to be followed by Remender's recent collaborator Greg Tocchini.
Finally, the writer spoke about stories coming sooner including the appearance of Captain Britain in issue #6. Remender said that because Psylocke falls in a family where one brother is a shining superhero and the other a madman, those relationships were important for him to dig into. "One thing we're going to play with here is how she sees herself in contrast to her brothers," he said.
I never though I'd get back into X-Men comics, but with Uncanny X-Force Remender has got me on board.
This is, for me, quite comfortably the best X book in years. And one of the best titles Marvel is publishing.
Remender is showing Fraction how character development and interactions really work. His schooling him, to be honest. Fantomex being genuinely interesting is something I thought would never happen. And Deadpool? Where has this Deadpool been for the last few years? The revelation about him in issue 5 was actually, well, amazing. It seems Remender has a better grasp on the character than the guy who is writing his main series.
It's pretty sad that Deadpool's come to the point that when he's shown as 3-dimensional character for a page or two is a "revelation." I can't say I disagree though
Yea I used to like Deadpool back in the day. But for the last few years he's been nothing but a Loony Toon living in the Marvel Universe.
Heh, that's actually a very good description of how he's been: A Loony Toon living in the Marvel Universe. Maybe that can be the title of his NEXT ongoing series.
Deadpool: A Loony Toon Living in the Marvel Universe #583 $5.99
haha no please no!