Oh NOES!!!! WAR ON CHASTITY LOLZ!!!

[Moviefan2k4]

If all sin is equal, and we're all sinners, then why should being gay be any kind of conflict with being Christian, and why should homosexuals be incessantly singled out as if they are less moral than everyone else?

Sin itself is in continual conflict with Christianity. It doesn't matter what sin it is: lying, stealing, idolatry, adultery, lust...every one of these and more is at odds with the will of God. I'm only discussing homosexuality in response to others' comments.

 

[BlackLantern]

Two sets of hot twins easily trumps that.

Two pair does NOT beat three of a kind....

 

[Schlosser85]

Sin itself is in continual conflict with Christianity. It doesn't matter what sin it is: lying, stealing, idolatry, adultery, lust...every one of these and more is at odds with the will of God. I'm only discussing homosexuality in response to others' comments.

But you have stated repeatedly that you do not see how someone could claim to be a Christian and be homosexual. I asked why that is any different from every other imperfect person guilty of some sin or other being a Christian.

 

[The Senator]

Because Jesus said that all who choose Him will be with Him forever, and that whoever refuses is condemned already for their unbelief. Since He can't lie, I can rest assured of my destination because I have faith in Christ.

But, sadly, you cannot KNOW if you are going to heaven or not. Wouldn't that make you as smart as God, considering you claim to KNOW something it explicitly says in the Bible we as man cannot know for sure? You are effectively judging yourself, right here on the boards, directly stating that you will go to heaven whereas others will not.

Do you not see how incredibly self-righteous that makes you? In addition to the whole "you can tell us not to have premarital sex when you've done it yourself" thing.

 

[The Senator]

The older Jonas brother used to be attractive until I found out he was the musical equivalent of moviefan.

 

[Gilpesh]

Two pair does NOT beat three of a kind....

In women it does. Cause there is only a handful of hot triplets in the world... meaning that they've been got to before and most likely in the all of them and one guy situation.

Now convincing two sets of hot twins to all do it is tougher considering it is a mix of convincing twins to do it twice and with another group of girls...






Wow, what the hell were we all talking about again?

 

[BlackLantern]

What about sisters that are not twins but both are attractive..?

 

[Gilpesh]

I think that counts more... cause unlike twins, they won't be so expecting of that.

 

[Moviefan2k4]

But you have stated repeatedly that you do not see how someone could claim to be a Christian and be homosexual. I asked why that is any different from every other imperfect person guilty of some sin or other being a Christian.

Because by its very nature, homosexuality entails living each day in a repeated way of life that disobeys God. I'd have the same trouble understanding a compulsive liar saying they're a Christian, because their chosen life is based on a continually-repeated sin, day after day.

 

[Gilpesh]

Hey Moviefan. This ain't the gay discussion hour, go find that thread elsewhere, same with you Schlosser.

Let's get back to the Jonas Brothers and their silly chastity crap.

 

[Moviefan2k4]

But, sadly, you cannot KNOW if you are going to heaven or not. Wouldn't that make you as smart as God, considering you claim to KNOW something it explicitly says in the Bible we as man cannot know for sure?

While its true that mortal people can never know the full extent of God's thoughts, the fact remains that He can't lie, so anything and everything He says is the truth. I'm simply choosing to trust in what He says, rather than my own fallible mind or emotions.

 

[The Senator]

While its true that mortal people can never know the full extent of God's thoughts, the fact remains that He can't lie, so anything and everything He says is the truth. I'm simply choosing to trust in what He says, rather than my own fallible mind or emotions.

However, you are making the assumption that you are going to end up in heaven. What if your bout with premarital sex forever cast a dark mark on your record? What if God is tired of you trying to force your views on people in this thread? What if God feels that any sort of *********ion is unwarranted?

There are numerous problems which arise with your theory that you are going to heaven, that you KNOW where you are going to end up after you pass away. It is silly, honestly, for you to ensure us that you are going to end up in heaven. It is beyond a leap of faith, it is arrogance in its purest form, to claim that you KNOW where you are going to end up.

Heck, for all we know, three years from now you could totally give up on God and end up a sex addict on the streets of San Antonio. You cannot KNOW your fate; you can only guess, and it isn't even an "educated' guess. It is a baseless assumption.

 

[Schlosser85]

I'd have the same trouble understanding a compulsive liar saying they're a Christian

Or someone who is convinced of their own salvation and passes judgment on others....

 

[Moviefan2k4]

Or someone who is convinced of their own salvation and passes judgment on others....

There's a difference between judging an activity through evaluation, and judging the person doing it through condemnation. Christians are called by God to do the former, but never the latter.

 

[Schlosser85]

Isn't suggesting that someone cannot be a Christian because he thinks John is cute instead of Jane judging the person?

 

[The Senator]

There's a difference between judging an activity through evaluation, and judging the person doing it through condemnation. Christians are called by God to do the former, but never the latter.

Of course, you're still judging people for the lives they lead, while declaring that you are destined to end up in heaven. I thought that guy who is supposedly the cornerstone of your faith-- you know, Jesus Christ-- was against men judging others for the lives they lead? Even if you are evaluating homosexuals, you are effectively judging them, telling them that their lifestyle is a "choice" and that if they do not turn away from such a life (which is kinda hard to do, since most homosexuals are born gay and are naturally attracted to members of the same sex), they will end up in hell.

No, that isn't an evaluation which results in a condemnation . How do you know that God isn't going to admit homosexuals into heaven, if they do not cast aside their lifestyle? You don't, because the Bible never claims that homosexuality is a sin which is punishable by eternity in hell. And scholars have argued the legitimacy of the claim that the Bible refers to the act of homosexuality itself as an "abomination," and that "sodomy" is an act detested by God.

I've got a silly little idea, which has been projected by the late George Carlin: Why don't you keep your faith to yourself? Like, stop trying to cram it down peoples' throats? Stop telling people that they are living a life of "sin"?

Because-- and I know this is hard to imagine, since you have confined yourself to a narrow little box covered in Christ effigies and a 2008 "Bible Verse of the Day" calendar-- it's not like we haven't heard some of the rhetoric you're giving us. It's not like we don't live in a society dominated by Christians who are constantly trying to force feed us their beliefs, regardless of the fact that we do not believe what they believe, as well as the fact that we live in a society where religious freedom and freedom of expression are key to our democracy.

So yeah... about that whole chastity thing...

moviefan, did you ever wear a chastity ring?

 

[chaseter]

Chastity rings are creepy IMO

 

[Moviefan2k4]

Isn't suggesting that someone cannot be a Christian because he thinks John is cute instead of Jane judging the person?

No, it's simply addressing the choices they make. The modern view of tolerance is completely out of whack. Basically, it suggests that everyone has a static right never to be held accounatble by anyone for anything, and that no subjects are appropriate for moral examination. That's not tolerance - it's irresponsibility.

 

[Schlosser85]

No, it's simply addressing the choices they make.

Most people never make a choice about who they are attracted to. They don't wake up one morning and decide to be attracted to men or women. And if straight people do not make a conscious decision to be straight, I'm not sure why they would believe gays make a deliberate decision to be gay, especially with the amount of discrimination that comes with it, due in large part to the small-mindedness of people who make hollow claims to be followers of a man who had no comment whatsoever on homosexuality and preached love for your fellow man and judging no one.

 

[BlackLantern]

Chastity rings are creepy IMO

What about tshirts? would a chastity tshirt work? Just a white tshirt with the words "CHASTE" in big black letters

 

[Moviefan2k4]

I thought that guy who is supposedly the cornerstone of your faith-- you know, Jesus Christ-- was against men judging others for the lives they lead?

Jesus was against his followers condemning the people for their choices; He was not against condemning the choices themselves. he spojke plainly about right and wrong by God's standards, to the extent that the Pharisees wanted to kill him, just to shut Him up. Eventually of course, they did...but God resurrected Him, thus providing a reliable method of redemption and connection between mankind and God.

moviefan, did you ever wear a chastity ring?

No; didn't find out about them until recently.

 

[Gilpesh]

No; didn't find out about them until recently.

Who knows, maybe you could have actually stayed celibate.

 

[Moviefan2k4]

Who knows, maybe you could have actually stayed celibate.

Celibacy and virginity are different things. I'm not a virgin anymore (unfortunately), but I am celibate.

 

[The Senator]

No, it's simply addressing the choices they make. The modern view of tolerance is completely out of whack. Basically, it suggests that everyone has a static right never to be held accounatble by anyone for anything, and that no subjects are appropriate for moral examination. That's not tolerance - it's irresponsibility.

No, that's not irresponsibility, it's called "live and let live." It is a philosophy guaranteed by our constitution, the document which governs this country. It is a philosophy which should govern the entire world, as far as I'm concerned, where people are allowed to live the lives they want to live, as long as it does not harm anybody or inflict mass chaos on to our society.

Homosexuality doesn't destroy anything, it doesn't conflict with how you live your life, regardless of whether some people choose to be gay or are born that way. When a woman becomes a man, it has no effect on how you live your life. When a gay man marries his partner of twenty-some-odd years, it has no effect on your ability to get married. What two people do in their own homes does not affect you, it is not irresponsible whatsoever.

The last thing this country needs is to subscribe to the Christian doctrine, to force beliefs that not everyone shares on society as a whole. The belief in a magical being who watches over us, the belief that love should be confined to one man and one woman, the belief that the GLBT community somehow degrades our society-- all of that is bull ****, spewed by ignorant twits who have confined themselves to a narrow world view and have NO RESPECT for people who live differently than themselves.

Yeah, it is really sickening.

I mean, God forbid we punish people for going out an beating someone to a bloody pulp only because the victim was a homosexual.

God forbid we allow transgendered persons a chance to move into an apartment without being discriminated against because they have had a sex change.

God forbid we don't allow corporations to fire people solely based on their sexuality or gender identity.

God forbid we allow people to LIVE THEIR LIVES fully and adequately.

God forbid we allow people to LOVE the person they love, without the fear of being exiled simply because of their physical attractions.

Yeah, tolerance is totally irresponsible

 

[Gilpesh]

Celibacy and virginity are different things. I'm not a virgin anymore (unfortunately), but I am celibate.

But *********ion is sex...