Okay, I have many problems with this movie, but...

[TNC9852002]

He ices up and does a head butt. How utterly gay and pointless is that

^This post sums it all up.

-TNC

 

[*xmenfan*]

It wasn't a good movie but it wasn't as bad as catwomen. I actually liked elektra.

 

[CapBeerCino]

No, this movie was not Catwoman or Elektra or B&R. But it was heading that way.
I believe if this movie ran more than 103 mins we would get there:
It opened real good (Angel/ Jean flash-backs) and went down hill until the awful ending -Wolverine joking about "fur-ball" less than two seconds after they showed us Jean being gutted, and then standing at the balcony cheerfully watching over the fresh dug graves of his friends while tacky music is played in the background. Now that's B&R stuff.

This movie is more of a "Batman Forever". If the same team will do the spin-off we might get "Batman and Robin".

 

[ultimatefan]

No, this movie was not Catwoman or Elektra or B&R. But it was heading that way.
I believe if this movie ran more than 103 mins we would get there:
It opened real good (Angel/ Jean flash-backs) and went down hill until the awful ending -Wolverine joking about "fur-ball" less than two seconds after they showed us Jean being gutted, and then standing at the balcony cheerfully watching over the fresh dug graves of his friends while tacky music is played in the background. Now that's B&R stuff.

This movie is more of a "Batman Forever". If the same team will do the spin-off we might get "Batman and Robin".

He wasn´t joking, in that moment he gave an affectionate spin to the furball nickname that, initially, was played as a joke, and there was no "cheer" in the end, just a sense of things calming down and life going on.

 

[ultimatefan]

Unfortunately, I can't see myself doing that. I think the moment you accept something mediocre as being OK, you're on a slippery slope about judging quality.

My main problem with X3 is that following on from the first 2 (which built up lots of character arcs and plots), this film decided to just rush through very similar points. It's not like the Godfather trilogy or even the original Star Wars trilogy, because everything that was set up for X3 in X2 leads you to believe that the X-films WON'T be a trilogy. To have the story all wrapped up so shoddily (and have the audacity to claim after all the events that MAYBE the story is not over) is criminal.

The thing is, I think it´s okay, not mediocre. There´s a difference.

 

[ultimatefan]

what can I say? this is all cuz of me, ultimate... There are no special group of fanboys claiming anything, no monsters hiding under the bed, no conspiracy we all need to keep looking over our shoulders after, just me. I half heartedly defended the first two x movies by claiming to want more movies like x3 along with catwoman, ff, and b&R and now it's blown up into something crazy like this where it's being made up to seem like there are some out there trying to stick it to the last stand, and that's a dangerous way to think imo that breeds silly bias. the thought of this did occur to me butt I pushed aside my better judgement and posted anyway to defend my precious x1 and x2 from what I felt were overyly harsh remarks being thrown at it. I made a mistake and wish I could take it back. Next time I just won't care when someone puts down x1 and x2 no matter how hard it is because it leads to exactly this. I should know as a veteran of the batman vs fantastic war. I didn't even like begins as much as its most loyal fans do. You know what? that's fine. sometimes that happens. I don't see the need to spook everyone though. it's just little me and one silly rant. I actually like the last stand, parts of it. And FF, And catwoman, And B&R. I won't lie about that. And I'm not afraid to admit it like so many are, I think... I mean how is it that catwoman and b&r deserve to be bashed but x3 is safe from harm? No comic movie should be safe imo if only a selected few are not. Maybe someone likes catwoman or b&r no matter how outragious that seems. The child in me does enjoy each of them in some way. as a fan of crap like power rangers, it's not that bad to me, but because of it's flaws not while I'm alive it can't touch the x2, maybe more enjoyable than x1 though depending on the time of day...

that's all I wanted to say. I thought people should know what this is really about.

I think x3's on par with batman forever, while highly entertaining, it's just not something I want to become a blueprint for how x-men should be done.

I´m not saying that because of you, I seen more than one person put this in that league of crapdom. It´s like I said, for some fanboys there´s no middle ground, movies rock or suck.

 

[Ravane]

This is more a rant about Jean's death than anything else, but I just don't get how people can exaggerate this film's bad points so much. Okay, there are a fair few plot holes, and okay, a 1 hour 40min runtime is far too short, especially for the Phoenix Saga which is one of the most pivotal storylines in comic existence. But each and every time I see Xavier get de-molecularised, that painful last smile from him to Wolverine, as the flesh is literally torn from his bones, and Wolverine slicing Jean up at the end, with Jean's contented smile and warped satisfaction at her own death... well, I feel like breaking up and crying. And I don't cry easily when it comes to films.

Perhaps it's because Jean is my favourite character? I know she hasn't really been too well developed in the films, but as someone who hadn't read the comics (my only outside X-Men influences were from the games and the X-Men evolution cartoon), I still really felt for her and the powerful burden she had to carry.

Sure, after doing a little background research I can see that the films haven't really done the Jean/Phoenix storyline justice at all. In fact, they haven't done ANY of the characters justice. All we get is Wolverine pushed in our faces 24/7 with his boring powers, egotistical attitude and lame kitty claws. Still, to this day, I can't find the guy interesting... I'll take an ass-kicking telekinetic and telepath over some hyped up, alternate reality Indiana Jones rip off any day. But even with all of these flaws (and I imagine to the seasoned X-men fan, they are pretty major flaws), I still managed to shed a tear. And you can't deny that the action in this film was pretty hardcore, even if all other points were total crap.

Although, with all of this said, if for some reason there had been no Jean in this movie, it would have been completely sucktacular for me. There's nothing like a goodie gone bad, and Famke did a great job playing that part. If only the movie had been an hour longer...

##### Begin Jean Fanboi rant #####

I really hope they bring Jean back. If Xavier can transfer his mind like that, I don't see why Jean wouldn't be able to do something similar. IMHO, it wouldn't discredit the series at all. I mean, it wouldn't be far fetched for some uber-powerful Class 5 Omega-level mutant with the poignant tag name 'the Phoenix' to return from the ashes. It's been done in the comics a dozen times, and in the movie-verse, Jean didn't actually die the first time round anyway. The Phoenix in the water at the end of X2 was an obvious hint to her return. If they wanted her return in X4 to be slightly less fantastical than the comics, they could invent a new, more plausible storyline out of it. For example:

1. Xavier & a reformed Jean both coming back. X-Men don't trust Jean. Jean has all her powers, but X3's events have managed to block off the Dark Phoenix side of her personality. Jean is torn up about killing Scott.

2. Mystique goes to work at Xavier's institute as a human. Perhaps as some sort of undercover agent? Her powers begin to return, but her 'blue' form is permenantly subdued. She keeps her powers a secret. You could also fit in a sub-plot with the return of Nightcrawler here, and have her doting over her abandoned son.

3. Mystique returns to the Brotherhood, whom are in search of a new leader to replace the depowered Magneto. She tells them of Jean's return. The Brotherhood then try to sway Jean to their side.

4. Jean joins the Brotherhood as an undercover member, trying to destroy the group from within in an attempt to gain back Xavier's trust. She then becomes leader, but finds the taste of power tempting. She starts to have flashbacks of the Dark Phoenix.

5. Magneto returns, with his powers intact. There is a struggle for power between him and Jean. He then goes to Xavier's institute to warn them about her return, and to arrange her defeat so he can assume leadership of the Brotherhood once more.

6. The X-Men mobilize and prepare to fight Jean & the Brotherhood. She gets caught by surprise and the X-Men attack her, unaware of her secret ambitions to betray the Brotherhood and return to the X-Men. The attack from her former friends causes the Dark Phoenix to be unleashed once more. However, this time Jean struggles to control it. Eventually, she learns to embrace it, to embrace both the light and the dark side of herself.

7. Blah blah blah, X-Men beat Brotherhood, Magneto is back in charge and things are back as they were, apart from Cyke being dead and Jean being all super-charged and stuff.

8. Wolverine still loves Jean, but Jean is still torn up about her true love, Cyke. However, during her time as leader of the Brotherhood she learned of a mutant who might be able to bring back her love. The movie ends on a cliffhanger, perhaps with Cyke being resurrected some how.

And then throughout the movie they could just interweave actual comic events (e.g. Sentinels). Or perhaps do something with the Apocalypse story line and have a struggle for power between him and Jean. Anyway, my point was that there's still so much potential for Jean. If they just leave it like that, then I'm afraid they've lost pretty much the only character so far with any true depth (it's taken three movies to get her to this point), and it'll be much more time-consuming to flesh out the other characters enough to replace her. Jean is great, because by bringing her back they could also flesh out the relationship between her and Storm, Xavier, and of course, the beloved Wolverine. Every character would be affected by her return, and that makes room for natural character progression without trying to divide the attention between dozens of characters. It's like killing 20 X-Men with one stone. Figuratively speaking, of course.

##### End Jean Fanboi rant #####

Alright, I'm done venting. I just watched the film again and had to write something. <3

 

[mad-sci]

The thing is, I think it´s okay, not mediocre. There´s a difference.

I suppose that could be true, but answer me this. Would you say X1 and X2 were OK as well, or were there more than that?

To me, the fact that this film is NOWHERE near as bad as people thought it could be, nor anywhere near how good it could have been makes it mediocre. I used to love Superman 2, but if you look at it now after knowing all the behind the scenes stuff and original plot intentions, it is NOT a great film. When you step back and think about it, so much doesn't make any sense that it can ruin the film. I can look past the mistakes and say it was an average film, but I will always wonder what it could and SHOULD have been. The same is true for X3.

 

[WorthyStevens]

I suppose that could be true, but answer me this. Would you say X1 and X2 were OK as well, or were there more than that?

To me, the fact that this film is NOWHERE near as bad as people thought it could be, nor anywhere near how good it could have been makes it mediocre. I used to love Superman 2, but if you look at it now after knowing all the behind the scenes stuff and original plot intentions, it is NOT a great film. When you step back and think about it, so much doesn't make any sense that it can ruin the film. I can look past the mistakes and say it was an average film, but I will always wonder what it could and SHOULD have been. The same is true for X3.

Good post. While X3 is in nowhere near the same league as X2, I had a great time with the movie (and I love it. ).

But sadly, there was so much wasted potential.

 

[The Kid]

I´m not saying that because of you, I seen more than one person put this in that league of crapdom. It´s like I said, for some fanboys there´s no middle ground, movies rock or suck.

oh, ok... I assumed it was since this was made after my post was a day or so ago, but I don't know who you've been reading besides me that's said that. I've never come across it. Personally I know it's suicide to make that claim because it's like you're not human if you like catwoman or b&r around here. I'm not sure but I think that's a double standard though. Is there no middle ground for catwoman too since I'm sure some kids thought it was a fun movie somewhere... in the end it's all personal opinion of which film is as good as whatever other film .I mean they're just movies... this isn't politics or religion. the way I read this thread it's as if you're saying you'll force people to believe whatever you believe as a defense against being forced to believe x3 is on those film's percieved level. that I don't quite like but so be it. It's really not the end of the world. Me, I don't love or hate x3. It's just what it is to me, the rushed one. But if someone claims it's the best movie ever, I'll just shrug it off... maybe it is to them.

 

[ultimatefan]

I suppose that could be true, but answer me this. Would you say X1 and X2 were OK as well, or were there more than that?

To me, the fact that this film is NOWHERE near as bad as people thought it could be, nor anywhere near how good it could have been makes it mediocre. I used to love Superman 2, but if you look at it now after knowing all the behind the scenes stuff and original plot intentions, it is NOT a great film. When you step back and think about it, so much doesn't make any sense that it can ruin the film. I can look past the mistakes and say it was an average film, but I will always wonder what it could and SHOULD have been. The same is true for X3.

I thought X2 was great. My account is, I still liked more stuff than I didn´t like. That makes it okay IMO.

 

[ultimatefan]

oh, ok... I assumed it was since this was made after my post was a day or so ago, but I don't know who you've been reading besides me that's said that. I've never come across it. Personally I know it's suicide to make that claim because it's like you're not human if you like catwoman or b&r around here. I'm not sure but I think that's a double standard though. Is there no middle ground for catwoman too since I'm sure some kids thought it was a fun movie somewhere... in the end it's all personal opinion of which film is as good as whatever other film .I mean they're just movies... this isn't politics or religion. the way I read this thread it's as if you're saying you'll force people to believe whatever you believe as a defense against being forced to believe x3 is on those film's percieved level. that I don't quite like but so be it. It's really not the end of the world. Me, I don't love or hate x3. It's just what it is to me, the rushed one. But if someone claims it's the best movie ever, I'll just shrug it off... maybe it is to them.

Well, from time to time I see people calling it crap and one of the worst superhero movies ever, which we can assume relates to these others... I know that people here can be harsh if you defend something like B&R, even though I don´t get why someone would, but... Well, it´s the fanboy thing... But still, it kinda annoys me when I see movie getting what I feel is an unfair treatment.

 

[Raider4000]

The movie was great, quit *****ing end of story.

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

Good post. While X3 is in nowhere near the same league as X2, I had a great time with the movie (and I love it. ).

But sadly, there was so much wasted potential.

I love it

But I agree with you, there was so much wasted potential.

 

[Kroc1138]

Unfortunately, I can't see myself doing that. I think the moment you accept something mediocre as being OK, you're on a slippery slope about judging quality.

My main problem with X3 is that following on from the first 2 (which built up lots of character arcs and plots), this film decided to just rush through very similar points. It's not like the Godfather trilogy or even the original Star Wars trilogy, because everything that was set up for X3 in X2 leads you to believe that the X-films WON'T be a trilogy. To have the story all wrapped up so shoddily (and have the audacity to claim after all the events that MAYBE the story is not over) is criminal.

My opinion in a nutshell.

 

[PhoenixIsTheOne]

When I first went 2 go see the movie I thought it was AWESOME because I was a new fan. Then I went on the internet and I researched comics and teh Dark Phoenix Saga and I was like what the hell? Tjhey completely ripped off the DPS. Then I saw the movie again and I thought they did good for the little time they had. It was OKAY it was 3000 times better than X1 and X2 in my opinion!!

 

[The Kid]

Well, from time to time I see people calling it crap and one of the worst superhero movies ever, which we can assume relates to these others... I know that people here can be harsh if you defend something like B&R, even though I don´t get why someone would, but... Well, it´s the fanboy thing... But still, it kinda annoys me when I see movie getting what I feel is an unfair treatment.

Is it not also unfair to assume everyone should absolutely view something a certain way. [yoda]Dangerous places, this thought takes us...[/yoda] It's going to happen anyway. It's way beyond anyone's control. Yesterday, my sister asked me if I saw x3 yet (I ignored the crap out of her) and she told me not to go see it because it was garbage, her exact words. Some people think Superman The Movie is garbage too. That's just the way the world is... Opinion differs I believe. A movie shouldnt need a defense squad set up to control thought... that... that... just doesn't sit right with me. I've seen boards that actually do that and the mods are in on it, I'm talking about posting Looooooooong dissertations to rebuke any opposing view that doesn't quite shine favorable light on the films... it's unbelievable behavior meant to intimidate anyone from thinking freely, I believe. Thats a shame...