Okay... Who else loved Logan vs. Jean

[Jan Irisi]

Was it explained in the films? I'll go read a few pages back, but if it's just some random "well it coulda been..." crap, then I'm all set.

It was suggested that possibly Logan's rush of adrenaline was causing him to heal a bit faster. There seems to be precedent for that suggestion. It may not be the reason, but at least it was something to think about.


I also consider the Rogue incidents separately. She stole his ability to heal so it was a slightly different situation and condition.

 

[The Batman]

I dont get why everyone assumes that since jean supposedly desires logan, she must love him more than scott. If Scott and Jean werent together, i bet jean would secretly desire scott. In fact, this was a subplot in the earlier x comics.

Phoenix simply wanted to bang logan, IMO. Desiring logan does not equate to "I secretly love him more than scott". Like Kinberg said, Jean would have logan for a night, and scott for life.

Not to mention that phoenix does not know love. No version of the character has every had feelings of love to my knowledge. love, compassion, thats all jean. And who does jean love? Scott Summers.

 

[Jan Irisi]

I dont get why everyone assumes that since jean supposedly desires logan, she must love him more than scott. If Scott and Jean werent together, i bet jean would secretly desire scott. In fact, this was a subplot in the earlier x comics.

Phoenix simply wanted to bang logan, IMO. Desiring logan does not equate to "I secretly love him more than scott". Like Kinberg said, Jean would have logan for a night, and scott for life.

Not to mention that phoenix does not know love. No version of the character has every had feelings of love to my knowledge. love, compassion, thats all jean. And who does jean love? Scott Summers.

But that still does not mean that Logan can't love Jean.

 

[The Batman]

oh, i know. Even thoug i doubt you could truly love someone within a matter of weeks, logan did love jean.

 

[Drago]

I'm surprised that I've heard alot of people on boards say that Logan and Jean are in love. I didn't pick up on that at all in the trilogy, least of all in X3.

I thought that X3 reinforced Jean and Scott- granted Logan loves Jean, but she doesn't love him back. Thats the point of their relationship- he's a loner and portrayed as the tragic hero. As for Jean and Scott, I think it showed more character from Scott than Jean, but when his "curse" of never being able to look at the woman he loves with his own eyes [anybody remember the advertising for X1? How that was the "curse" aspect of his gift?] is taken away, its still reinforcing their relationship, just like the fact that he's dead is what made her go nuts both in the medbay and at her house. And the tombstones next to eachother for Jean and Scott gets 9/10 in my book- would've been 10/10 if Jean's name was written "Jean Grey-Summers".

And symbolically, I kinda liked how Logan kept healing- Jean WAS the one person he'd die for, but ironically enough, he's the only one who can't die for her.

 

[Loganbabe]

And symbolically, I kinda liked how Logan kept healing- Jean WAS the one person he'd die for, but ironically enough, he's the only one who can't die for her.

It reminded me of the great scene between Jean and Logan on the "Planet X" arc, when he says "I´d die to save your life, darlin. I´d take all your pain on myself. But I can´t. I can only take it away" and then he kills her and walks into the sun with her in his arms "You and me, Jeannie. You and me in a blaze of glory". Just beautiful.
I love Logan and Jean. I really don´t give a damn about all this "Scott and Jean should be together and that´s it." I love Jean and Logan not because they´re supposed to be together, but because it´s doomed and impossible and dark and romantic. It´s much more exciting than Jean/Scott, but this is just my opinion...

 

[undomiel]

It reminded me of the great scene between Jean and Logan on the "Planet X" arc, when he says "I´d die to save your life, darlin. I´d take all your pain on myself. But I can´t. I can only take it away" and then he kills her and walks into the sun with her in his arms "You and me, Jeannie. You and me in a blaze of glory". Just beautiful.
I love Logan and Jean. I really don´t give a damn about all this "Scott and Jean should be together and that´s it." I love Jean and Logan not because they´re supposed to be together, but because it´s doomed and impossible and dark and romantic. It´s much more exciting than Jean/Scott, but this is just my opinion...

Oh, believe me, it's not just your opinion -- I so agree with you! Especially about the "doomed and impossible and dark and romantic" part. Ah, tragic love.

 

[D-scythe]

Oh, believe me, it's not just your opinion -- I so agree with you! Especially about the "doomed and impossible and dark and romantic" part. Ah, tragic love.

If they wrote the Phoenix story properly, Scott and Jean's love would be tragic and doomed too

Maybe not "dark" though. But the Phoenix story WAS a story about Scott/Jean's doomed and tragic love. The only reason Logan's love for Jean seems tragic and doomed and Scott's not in the X-trilogy is because Logan replaced Scott in X3.

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

If they wrote the Phoenix story properly, Scott and Jean's love would be tragic too

I agree.

If only... -sniffles- singer did what he should have been done. he should have had all the cast members sign up for 3 movies..not 2...THREE. damn it.

 

[PowersOfMind]

Jean and Logan always seemed like the more exciting couple. Scott and Jean was just blah.

 

[D-scythe]

Jean and Logan always seemed like the more exciting couple. Scott and Jean was just blah.

Well, let's take a look at the bigger picture first before saying "Scott and Jean was just blah." Compare the screentime Scott had with Jean to the screentime Logan had with Jean, during the entire X-trilogy. I think everyone agrees that Logan had much more screentime than Scott, correct?

Now, just taking into account that basic fact, do you really expect that Scott and Jean's relationship would look just as interesting as Logan and Jean's relationship, when there is such a large difference in screentime between the pairings? IMO, the math doesn't add up.

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

Jean and Logan always seemed like the more exciting couple. Scott and Jean was just blah.

True...the way I look at it. Jean and Scott are the innocent couple well thats just their side of the relationship whereas Jean and Logan are quite the opposite: Dark, intriguing... exciting.

Jean is a huggy girl
<--- in my avvy

 

[D-scythe]

True...the way I look at it. Jean and Scott are the innocent couple well thats just their side of the relationship whereas Jean and Logan are quite the opposite: Dark, intriguing... exciting.

It's nothing to do with the nature of their relationship. Many different types of relationships are portrayed in the media and all can be interesting. Otherwise, we'd always get the same dark, intriguing romance portrayed over and over again in sitcoms, romantic comedies, etc. It's just that there was never enough time for Scott and Jean to flesh out there relationship.

I agree.

If only... -sniffles- singer did what he should have been done. he should have had all the cast members sign up for 3 movies..not 2...THREE. damn it.

I find it funny how people are saying "Logan and Jean are so [this]" and "Logan and Jean are so [that]" and I'm like wha-?

Oh, and let me take back something I said before: if X3 adapted the Phoenix story properly, Scott and Jean's love would be tragic and doomed as well.

 

[XCharlieX]

Er "properly" is the films as far as im concerned. Why is it that folks are debating a film which style was always that of artistic license of the director?

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

... um... if singer signed the cast up for 3 movies instead of 2 to begin with, we could have gotten what X3 would have been, only that SCOTT WOULD HAVE THE ROLE HE DESERVES.

Secondly... I like both relationships...its just they're so damn interesting. ... all I was saying that Jean and Scott are the good couple whereas Jean and Logan are the opposite... both are intriguing and exciting in some ways, but again, I wish we had more screen time with Jean and Scott and I've said this over and over in other posts. Some ppl forget I also Like Jean and Scott besides Jean and Logan. Nothing wrong with liking both. For all I care, they might end up as a 3some... Scojeagan hehehe... lol

 

[PowersOfMind]

Well, let's take a look at the bigger picture first before saying "Scott and Jean was just blah." Compare the screentime Scott had with Jean to the screentime Logan had with Jean, during the entire X-trilogy. I think everyone agrees that Logan had much more screentime than Scott, correct?

Now, just taking into account that basic fact, do you really expect that Scott and Jean's relationship would look just as interesting as Logan and Jean's relationship, when there is such a large difference in screentime between the pairings? IMO, the math doesn't add up.

Im not just talking in the context of the films. Im talking in the comic as well. But in reference to the screentime, if all Scott and Jean are gonna be is kisses and cuddles, who wants to watch that for even a few minutes. The bad boy going after the unattainable girl is just much more interesting.

 

[D-scythe]

Im not just talking in the context of the films. Im talking in the comic as well. But in reference to the screentime, if all Scott and Jean are gonna be is kisses and cuddles, who wants to watch that for even a few minutes. The bad boy going after the unattainable girl is just much more interesting.

On the contrary. There are many romances that are interesting and not all of them involve a bad boy chasing after a pretty girl. Otherwise, all chick flicks would be the same.

Again, it's not the nature of a relationship that makes it interesting, it's the way it is portrayed.

 

[BMM]

Im not just talking in the context of the films. Im talking in the comic as well. But in reference to the screentime, if all Scott and Jean are gonna be is kisses and cuddles, who wants to watch that for even a few minutes. The bad boy going after the unattainable girl is just much more interesting.

Yeah, although they wouldn't have been just kisses and cuddles in X3 . . . at least not along the lines of the original storyline.

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

On the contrary. There are many romances that are interesting and not all of them involve a bad boy chasing after a pretty girl. Otherwise, all chick flicks would be the same.

Again, it's not the nature of a relationship that makes it interesting, it's the way it is portrayed.

True...but the thing is... they should have balanced both relationships out to begin with. So Jean and Scott are a couple...but atleast show them that they are a couple. maybe start off with Logan a nd Jean being friends...have them slowly form a bond...so at the end of x1..they're friends...and x1's time period would span over a few months. In X2..well okay how else would this go... ok Jean and Scott are still a couple...Logan's attraction towards Jean begins to show...and same with Jean's attraction to Logan but she keeps her feelings for him buried deep inside her so those feelings don't interfere with her feelings for Scott. Logan and Scott's friendship or whatever gets expanded upon. Near the end of X2...would be the same with what X2's ending is now today...Jean saves the X-Men ...blah blah blah. In X3... BAM... Jean comes back as the Phoenix and she's not the good phoenix that she is... thus we get to see Jean and Scott's relationship evolve and same with her friendship with Logan (the "kill me" part of it anyway) ...

This is just an idea or what could have been if these relationships were well balanced out. what do u think?

 

[PowersOfMind]

Does anyone think that they had Logan kill jean because he was the only one who "would" do it? I mean Cyke could have been there but I honestly dont believe he would have been able to kill her.

 

[XCharlieX]

I find it very interesting how the side that appealed to logan all along was phoenix, not jean grey, so essentially Scott didnt lose out on anything. Jean Grey still loves him which is why she freaked in the infirmary.

 

[PowersOfMind]

True cuz the Phoenix was all desire and joy. Acting on the moment, which was why Logan wasnt able to go through with them kissing cuz he knew it wasnt something that JEAN would do

 

[Dr. Fate]

I'm just glad they didn't burn his pants off. That would have been horrible.

 

[D-scythe]

This is just an idea or what could have been if these relationships were well balanced out. what do u think?

Equal Jean/Scott and Jean/Logan screentime would definitely be a one up for Scott/Jean fans currently, but in reality, Scott should have more screentime with Jean than Logan does, even if Logan gets more screentime overall.

Does anyone think that they had Logan kill jean because he was the only one who "would" do it? I mean Cyke could have been there but I honestly dont believe he would have been able to kill her.

Could be, but I don't think so. Why'd they kill off Cyke then, even if he couldn't kill Jean? Plenty of ways to write Cyke alive, certainly more than having him killed.

 

[Kurosawa]

Jean and Logan always seemed like the more exciting couple. Scott and Jean was just blah.

**** Wolverine. All I ever want is for him to die horribly.