Okay... Who else loved Logan vs. Jean

[DarknessOfDeath]

In the comics he was ...yes..but in the movies...due to what was shown between the two (which was'nt enough), no.

 

[spider bat 555]

Just assume that the general audience isnt retarted they were married before either met logan and the way he was a whiny b*tch at the first of X3 Maybe that means somthing only i see

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

They were engaged in X-Men.

 

[spider bat 555]

So they got married btwn X1 and X2 ?

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

Nope.

 

[spider bat 555]

Then when if she says i married a good guy in X2 ?

 

[Dr. Fate]

Jean does not love Logan. Nuff said.

 

[toya thegr8]

I thought it was, okay. O'course either Wolverine's healing factor was exaggerated or Phoenix's dummed down.

 

[D-scythe]

Jean does not love Logan. Nuff said.

Yeah, but this was conveyed on a technicality. It was like a trashy romantic story where the girl technically never said "I love you" to Logan. Sure, most people on SHH accept this, but most people won't.

Zak/Fox saying that they tried to "satisfy" fans by shoving scene after scene of Logan/Jean down our throats but with her never saying "I love you" is bull$hit. That's what Scott gets reduced to now? That's what fans get? A freakin' technicality?

Personally speaking, there's no way they can expect me to swallow this Logan/Jean stuff and expect me to accept it with a smile because of a teensy winsy technicality.

 

[undomiel]

Actually, I don't think Logan's love for Jean is intense. I've seen intense love - witness the true Phoenix story - and believe me, Logan's love may as well be a candle to Scott's inferno.

I mean, X2 basically froze the Jean/Logan thing - Logan had finally recognized that Jean chose Scott for crying out loud. IMO, Jean and Logan's interactions felt more like Fox rehashing something that was already dead to make a popular character even more popular in X3. I'm probably biased, but that's what Jean/Logan felt like to me. The same "Logan chases girl, Logan can't get girl" story of X1 and X2 all over again.

I think you've got Scott's character wrong -- he isn't the "inferno" type at all. He's very mind-oriented; a thinker much more than a feeler. He's like a lot of men -- good guys, but emotionally very detached. A romance between Scott and Jean seems very boring to me -- what's the big deal about two nice, polite, educated people getting married? I mean, it's not a bad thing, but it's hardly a story worth making a movie over. And there was absolutely nothing in the movies that gave us the idea that Scott's love for Jean was anything out of the ordinary.

And I have to disagree about Jean choosing Scott. Yes, that's what she told Logan, but I think deep in her heart it's not what she really wanted. However, Logan took her words at face value and was noble enough to acknowledge it to Scott in order to help Scott feel better in his time of grief. But when Jean woke up in the medical ward with Xavier's barriers broken for the first time, she invited Logan's advances. I know you're going to want to claim that this was the Dark Phoenix persona, but I don't think canon supports that. She was calm, happy, and relaxed until the room started to shake and Logan started asking her questions. It was not until then that Dark Phoenix emerged.

If the moviemakers want us to believe she didn't really love Logan, I'd have to say they're shooting themselves in the foot, because such a romance is believable, and much more interesting than the Scott-Jean pairing.

 

[Mike059jig]

Jean does not love Logan. Nuff said.

Yes basically...but the movie did a great job of the fanboy relationship of Jean/Logan......

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

Meet Mr. Scott, the ***** cat.

erm...

yeah...

Mr. Scott and Lady Phoenix

 

[Mike059jig]

Whats it the Beard LOL..Cyke looks too old

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

he looks badass and rugged. ... makes up for some steamy hot love making between the two of them... ...hahaha... damn it. And thats what the X-Men movies lacked. Not Enough of Jean and Scott. I want a spin off... so Jean and Scott get their own movie. I'd love it..er the idea of it but it'll never happen.

 

[D-scythe]

I think you've got Scott's character wrong -- he isn't the "inferno" type at all. He's very mind-oriented; a thinker much more than a feeler. He's like a lot of men -- good guys, but emotionally very detached. A romance between Scott and Jean seems very boring to me -- what's the big deal about two nice, polite, educated people getting married? I mean, it's not a bad thing, but it's hardly a story worth making a movie over. And there was absolutely nothing in the movies that gave us the idea that Scott's love for Jean was anything out of the ordinary.

Last time I checked, you can love someone intensely, but not have to act like an animal to show it

And again, let's repeat it together. The only reason why Scott and Jean's relationship was boring in the movies was because it was MADE to be boring. Scott had what, like 10% of the screentime with Jean that Logan had? Tell me how it is possible to make one relationship more interesting than the other with only 10% of the screentime.

And I have to disagree about Jean choosing Scott. Yes, that's what she told Logan, but I think deep in her heart it's not what she really wanted. However, Logan took her words at face value and was noble enough to acknowledge it to Scott in order to help Scott feel better in his time of grief. But when Jean woke up in the medical ward with Xavier's barriers broken for the first time, she invited Logan's advances. I know you're going to want to claim that this was the Dark Phoenix persona, but I don't think canon supports that. She was calm, happy, and relaxed until the room started to shake and Logan started asking her questions. It was not until then that Dark Phoenix emerged.

If the moviemakers want us to believe she didn't really love Logan, I'd have to say they're shooting themselves in the foot, because such a romance is believable, and much more interesting than the Scott-Jean pairing.

The Logan/Jean romance is more believable? Since when has "falling in love in 4 days" believable? That's the stuff of romantic comedies and chick flicks, man - love doesn't happen like that in real life.

And again, the only reason why Scott and Jean's relationship is more boring is because it was written to be boring. The X-trilogy just fed us "Jean is with Scott" and expected us to take it, all the while biasing towards the Logan/Jean relationship the entire time.

 

[undomiel]

Last time I checked, you can love someone intensely, but not have to act like an animal to show it

I was referring to all of Logan's devotion to Jean, how he pursues her to the very end. His animal-like characteristics are an interesting part of who he is, and are quite endearing if understood properly. Logan pursues Jean with a blunt honesty and the raw courage to face whatever his love for her brings. I admire that.

And again, let's repeat it together. The only reason why Scott and Jean's relationship was boring in the movies was because it was MADE to be boring. Scott had what, like 10% of the screentime with Jean that Logan had? Tell me how it is possible to make one relationship more interesting than the other with only 10% of the screentime.

I'm sure some of us would find it boring no matter what, but I think the filmmakers made a good choice to emphasize Jean/Wolverine. He is a far more interesting and dynamic character than Cyclops -- thankfully Bryan Singer had the artistic sensitivity to perceive this.

The Logan/Jean romance is more believable? Since when has "falling in love in 4 days" believable? That's the stuff of romantic comedies and chick flicks, man - love doesn't happen like that in real life.

Actually, I think Wolvie falls for Jean instantly. But it is believable in the sense that it fits with Wolverine's character. He is very instinctive and bold. He knows what he wants and doesn't want, just as he knows immediately whom he likes and dislikes. I can see why it doesn't seem realistic to you if you insist that it takes ages to figure out whether or not you're in love with someone.

And when I said the Jean/Logan romance was "believable" I didn't mean that it was ordinary, like something you would see every day. "Ordinary" romance doesn't make for good movies. The Jean/Logan story is exceptional, but also believable in the sense that it makes sense for these two characters, as portrayed in the movies, to fall in love with one another. They are a classic "opposites attract" couple -- it's a great good-girl falls for bad-boy romance. Deep down, she longs for his sense of adventure and freedom, just as he (deep down) longs for her kindness and compassion.

 

[The Batman]

So Scott didnt love jean intensely....hmmm, i guess there must be another reason why scott turned into a complete mess when she died in X2, while logan was just the same old logan.

Undo, you havent read the comics...so you dont know the appeal of the jean/scott romance. why the majority of x fans here prefer it over logan/jean. Comic fans know the intense love the two feel for each other, and how with logan theres only lust.

And its that way in the movies too. Sorry, but when the writers, and wolverine himself state that Jean dosent love logan on that level, i'm inclined to believe them.

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

Me too!!

Jean and Scott all the way... no matter how messy and complicated their relationship is.. J/S all the way.

 

[D-scythe]

I was referring to all of Logan's devotion to Jean, how he pursues her to the very end. His animal-like characteristics are an interesting part of who he is, and are quite endearing if understood properly. Logan pursues Jean with a blunt honesty and the raw courage to face whatever his love for her brings. I admire that.

Firstly, would you admire someone hitting on your fiance unceasingly and then admire him for his "devotion"? That's laughable man. Secondly, since when was Logan "devoted" to Jean? Even in the X-trilogy, Scott has ALWAYS been shown as more devoted to Jean then Wolverine has. Logan didn't fall apart when Jean died the first time.

I'm sure some of us would find it boring no matter what, but I think the filmmakers made a good choice to emphasize Jean/Wolverine. He is a far more interesting and dynamic character than Cyclops -- thankfully Bryan Singer had the artistic sensitivity to perceive this.

Far more interesting and dynamic? What on earth has he done to be interesting and dynamic? He just goes all lone wolf, is disrespectful initially, steals things and hits on unattainable women.

I just guess your definition of "interesting" and "dynamic" is different from mine. I hardly find Logan interesting at all - he's fun to watch, but there's not enough substance in the character for me to care much about him.

Actually, I think Wolvie falls for Jean instantly. But it is believable in the sense that it fits with Wolverine's character. He is very instinctive and bold. He knows what he wants and doesn't want, just as he knows immediately whom he likes and dislikes. I can see why it doesn't seem realistic to you if you insist that it takes ages to figure out whether or not you're in love with someone.

You're missing my point. Love may start at first sight, but it takes time to develop it. The feelings may be romantic, but love involves many more factors than just attraction and good chemistry.

And when I said the Jean/Logan romance was "believable" I didn't mean that it was ordinary, like something you would see every day. "Ordinary" romance doesn't make for good movies. The Jean/Logan story is exceptional, but also believable in the sense that it makes sense for these two characters, as portrayed in the movies, to fall in love with one another. They are a classic "opposites attract" couple -- it's a great good-girl falls for bad-boy romance. Deep down, she longs for his sense of adventure and freedom, just as he (deep down) longs for her kindness and compassion.

Now you're just making things up. There is no indication that Jean longs for his "sense of adventure and freedom." And just FYI, if the Phoenix story was adapted correctly, Scott and Jean would be the classic "opposite attracts" couple. Jean/Phoenix is fire and passion incarnate, while Scott is cool, solid, ice-like. Scott grounds Jean, stops her passionate/animalistic side from taking over, and she is basically the point/origin where Scott defines all his emotions and feelings.

Logan's all mystery anyway. If he does get in a relationship with Jean, I can't see it going anywhere. He can't hit on Jean anymore (cause they're together), and once his "mystery" aura is gone, what on earth do they have left? Mystery's over-rated, and that's the foundation of their relationship/initial spark anyway. Once that's gone, been solved, they've got nothing.

 

[The Batman]

exactly.

like i said, undo's admitted to not knowing much about the comics, so he dosent understand why jean/scott is so enduring.

and like ive said, the only reason the general audience and fox like jean/logan is because of the sexual tension. they just want to see them have sex. thats about it.

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

LOL...

okay I admit it I wanted them to have sex...KIDDING. maybe in the future

by the way, I think Undo is a girl...

 

[Goddessreicho]

Logan's all mystery anyway. If he does get in a relationship with Jean, I can't see it going anywhere. He can't hit on Jean anymore (cause they're together), and once his "mystery" aura is gone, what on earth do they have left? Mystery's over-rated, and that's the foundation of their relationship/initial spark anyway. Once that's gone, been solved, they've got nothing.

Yulp, thats why they will NEVER EVER be together in the comics. And I know that everyone else noticed the scene in the hallway (Brokeback Mutant LOL) when it was really obvious that Logan had gotten over Jean and was ready to move on. In fact I believe his line was something like.."I think its time we've moved on."

Then at the end it was obvious that the balcony scene was proof that Logan was ready to begin anew.

Same thing in the novel. He lived everything he wanted to when he killed Jean, so at the end he is ready and willing to move on with his life. And Claremont more than hints that his future lies with Ro. I'm not just saying that cause I'm a Rolo fan. Its actually there, this time.

 

[The Batman]

Undo's a girl? oh, ok...

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

him with Ro eh?

well good. That leaves more room for Jean and Scott... even if they're dead... ... or alive... hehehe...

 

[The Batman]

Ultimate X-Men is a perfect example. You notice since jean and logan had sex, they havent really explored their relationship further? Wanna know why?

the Tension was gone. It was smart of millar to do that.