Old MCU Fantastic Four Discussion Thread

[David H.]

Well, we’re talking about the MCU here so what villain serves as a mirror opposite to Mr. Fantastic but isn’t Doctor Doom?

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Well, we’re talking about the MCU here so what villain serves as a mirror opposite to Mr. Fantastic but isn’t Doctor Doom?

I do really want to see Doom tied to the FF and Reed, but I think it's a mistake to make him a primary villain, because I want that to be a long build.

Maybe introduce Doom at the begging of the film in some way, then have an event that leads to Moleman threatening the surface world, then an exploration of subterranea (with lots of cool creatures) and ultimate discovery of/defeat of Moleman.

Then, as an after credit scene, something that shows Doom was responsible for the event that brought Moleman to the surface.

 

[Spider-Fan]

You can always give Doom a role in the movie, but not make him the villain. Like, have him manipulate Reed for some reason or something.

 

[David H.]

I like the idea of first teasing Doom in an after-credits scene. It’d be a bit of a flash-forward with Latverian forces (Doombots if you want to go all out) marching into Sokovia, following on the idea of Doom as the MCU’s Putin.

Might be too overtly political but it’d be a chilling way of getting that particular ball rolling.

 

[Zarex]

You show a TV anchor reporting on the "War in the Balkans". Followed by grainy war footage of a guy in grey armor and green cape leading the Latverian army.

 

[Dark Raven]

They could have Reed testing out the Fantasticar and see him using a crash test dummy and it looks like Domashev from Fant4stic.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

They could have Reed testing out the Fantasticar and see him using a crash test dummy and it looks like Domashev from Fant4stic.

I would LOVE if they threw in some snarky Fox FF Easter-eggs.

 

[Silvermoth]

Like when Jean said in the last movie “the third one is always the worst”.

That was gold

 

[Silvermoth]

Article proposing CM Punk for Ben....

It's Clobberin' Time! CM Punk Needs To Play The Thing In The MCU


Anyway.... David Harbour is still my first choice for Ben.

He’s not Jewish isn’t he? I don’t know. Maybe CM could play the rhino?

I love Annihilus as a villain, but I'm a little concerned with Ahhihilus (and/or Blastaar) as the first villain because I think it would be making a similar mistake to the one made in Man of Steel: The FF would be defending the world from a threat they, themselves were really responsible for.

Though if the story is less about a threat to the Earth from Annihilus and primarily an exploration adventure in the Negative Zone, that could work. But then if the FF are only saving themselves from the threats of the Negative Zone, they won't have really established themselves as "heroes".

Perhaps an alternative is to have some sort of threat coming from the Negative Zone before Reed gets involved, so that his opening of a portal is required to save the Earth as opposed to him endangering the world playing with things he doesn't understand.

Well to be honest I was thinking it would be an inversion of that. Instead of the ff defending earth, it’s the ff in the negative zone and annihilius thinks he’s defending it. And then in the third act he can make a play for earth maybe. That keeps the theme of exploration going plus gives us some cool visuals and it’s easy to do the negative zone and the cosmic wave that gives the FF their powers in the same story.

Well, we’re talking about the MCU here so what villain serves as a mirror opposite to Mr. Fantastic but isn’t Doctor Doom?

Well that would be the wizard surely? Or the mad thinker. That would be fun. Or just have an alternate reality evil reed but I like that idea the least.

You show a TV anchor reporting on the "War in the Balkans". Followed by grainy war footage of a guy in grey armor and green cape leading the Latverian army.

Oh my gosh I would die of happiness from that. Just an entire city trying to shell doctor doom and him grabbing missiles out of the air and throwing them back. Insane!

 

[David H.]

Like when Jean said in the last movie “the third one is always the worst”.

That was gold

Shame I was in the audience.

 

[Detective Conan]

Like when Jean said in the last movie “the third one is always the worst”.

That was gold

I still can’t believe that line even survived the first drafts; It’s supposed to be poking fun at movie trilogies tending to have dissapointing third installments but that line actually turned out to be unintentionally ironic instead, and made it seem like that movie itself in this self-deprecatory, self-loathing way was warning the audience that “yeah, this movie is pretty much going to suck, brace yourselves”.

Ugh.

 

[Xeno]

I still can’t believe that line even survived the first drafts; It’s supposed to be poking fun at movie trilogies tending to have dissapointing third installments but that line actually turned out to be unintentionally ironic instead, and made it seem like that movie itself in this self-deprecatory, self-loathing way was warning the audience that “yeah, this movie is pretty much going to suck, brace yourselves”.

Ugh.

That line reflected Kinberg's complete lack of self-awareness. Has there ever been a more clueless hack than him? He probably doesn't realize even now how that line rebounded against the movie he wrote.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Anyone see NOSTALGIA CRITICS take on RISE OF THE SILVER SURFER? I suggest a watch.

 

[Silvermoth]

I still can’t believe that line even survived the first drafts; It’s supposed to be poking fun at movie trilogies tending to have dissapointing third installments but that line actually turned out to be unintentionally ironic instead, and made it seem like that movie itself in this self-deprecatory, self-loathing way was warning the audience that “yeah, this movie is pretty much going to suck, brace yourselves”.

Ugh.

It was clearly tongue in cheek poking fun at itself. Which is pretty funny, good on them for having a sense of humour. They clearly were having a deliberate crack at xmen 3

 

[Dark Raven]

It was clearly tongue in cheek poking fun at itself. Which is pretty funny, good on them for having a sense of humour. They clearly were having a deliberate crack at xmen 3

And inadvertently made a crack at themselves.

 

[HBarnill]

Anyone see NOSTALGIA CRITICS take on RISE OF THE SILVER SURFER? I suggest a watch.

After all that #ChangeTheChannel bull****, f*** that guy. Plus, he stopped being funny when he came back from his “death”.

 

[DalekbusterFitz]

I would LOVE if they threw in some snarky Fox FF Easter-eggs.

Didn't they do that in the comics?

 

[Silvermoth]

And inadvertently made a crack at themselves.

Nah it was pretty obviously done on purpose, they knew they were laughing at themselves

Didn't they do that in the comics?

I don’t want too many callbacks to be honest. It’s time to move forward. The future is what the FF are all about.

Hey what sort of music score should the MCU FF have? I would be sad if it was just standard operatic. The incredibles already did a bombastic Saturday morning cartoon type score. Maybe they could go for something 60s inspired, almost dusty springfield inspired.

I have a feeling though we’ll pretty much get the same score as cosmos. Do you think The Thing will have his own score? Maybe he could have something kind of yancy street inspired Astaire ish tough guy sounding.

One of my friends thinks space in the MCU is just the eighties lol. So maybe something eighties sounding for Annihilius

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

What Michael Giacchino said about the INCREDIBLES score:

"Jonny Quest's" pulse-pounding music clearly influenced Giacchino's work on "The Incredibles," or, as he put it, "I wanted to pay tribute to that, as well as the scores for all those great 1960s spy films, like the James Bond adventures."

While the titles sequence and big battle moments are indeed evocative of a brassy old school cartoon, the rest of the film has the sound that 100% brings cool swinging vibes to life.

And... I actually think that's the way to go because frankly THAT'S that FF initially. They're origin is in the pre-Kennedy assassination, jet age, Rat Pack sense of America before the huge shifts in the culture that occured in the late 60's. I think that sort of adult cool is exactly what they should be going for. That is for sure what they need to give to Reed as a counterpoint to the usual "geek" cliche's they give him in adaptations.


I do have to as @Silvermoth... What does "Asataire-ish tough guy" mean? Are you referring to the great dancer Fred Astaire?

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I actually think one of the better things about the 2005 film was the score.

I'm assuming they'll come up with something completely new, but since they'll own Fox and their IP, they could theoretically use that music in some form if they chose to.

 

[Dark Raven]

I actually think one of the better things about the 2005 film was the score.

I'm assuming they'll come up with something completely new, but since they'll own Fox and their IP, they could theoretically use that music in some form if they chose to.

The 2005 film score sounded a bit like the pub song "Roll out the Barrel" but played in a minor key.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

The 2005 film score sounded a bit like the pub song "Roll out the Barrel" but played in a minor key.

I never noticed that.

... but now I'm not going to be able to unhear it.

 

[Dark Raven]

I never noticed that.

... but now I'm not going to be able to unhear it.

Well join the club. I can never unhear it now either!

FF fans should sing that drinking song to that 2005 FF tune while having a drunken carousel when the rights finally come home!

 

[Silvermoth]

What Michael Giacchino said about the INCREDIBLES score:

"Jonny Quest's" pulse-pounding music clearly influenced Giacchino's work on "The Incredibles," or, as he put it, "I wanted to pay tribute to that, as well as the scores for all those great 1960s spy films, like the James Bond adventures."

While the titles sequence and big battle moments are indeed evocative of a brassy old school cartoon, the rest of the film has the sound that 100% brings cool swinging vibes to life.

And... I actually think that's the way to go because frankly THAT'S that FF initially. They're origin is in the pre-Kennedy assassination, jet age, Rat Pack sense of America before the huge shifts in the culture that occured in the late 60's. I think that sort of adult cool is exactly what they should be going for. That is for sure what they need to give to Reed as a counterpoint to the usual "geek" cliche's they give him in adaptations.


I do have to as @Silvermoth... What does "Asataire-ish tough guy" mean? Are you referring to the great dancer Fred Astaire?

Oops sorry I meant frank Sinatra. I was a bit distracted last night when I posted that.

A brat pack aesthetic for the movie sounds like fun. I could see it having an Apollo 13 like look



Or even like hidden figures. Now to think of the best composer to match that sound

 

[Crimz]

Still think setting a MCU FF film in the 60s is the wrong decision.