Old MCU Fantastic Four Discussion Thread

[Crimz]

I'm not okay with that. Because I think the Iconography of these characters should remain intact. This basically comes down to "Yeah but why not?" Change for the sake of change. Let's focus on getting the property right for the FIRST time before we start advocating for their races to change. Just give us a faithful adaptation for once

If this were the original comic Fantastic Four that were suddenly changed you'd have a point. But this is film, not comics. It's already a change and more things will change, race is the least important thing to change about Reed, Sue, and Johnny. Even then it's film so it's not a change, it's a different interpretation which does not have to be beholden to a lot of things from the comics.

As I said, either side won't budge on their stance and this discussion will just continuously repeat itself.

 

[Darkprime]

You know I was thinking Id like to see Edward Norton in the MCU again. Maybe he would make a good Doom, Reed or Grim depending on what they're going for.

 

[wobbly]

I doubt Norton would want to work with Marvel again, nor them with him.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

No thanks. Ed is a good actor but theres no need to complicate things with him. Nor does he fit those roles imo, save for Reed. But even still.

 

[Iceman]

I doubt Norton would want to work with Marvel again, nor them with him.

I think there’s very little chance of that, yeah.

 

[Endeavor]

I like the idea of Reed being played by an Asian actor. Not sure about the Yune suggestion though.

 

[Silvermoth]

There's a story from Hulk #365 Where an at the time cured Ben Grimm and the then intelligent if surly Gray Hulk sit down at a bar and go over their relationship. It's good stuff from Peter David's legendary run on Hulk.

I can't find any panels save one but the synopsis gets it across okay:

I love that! It’ll be a glorious day when we can see Grey hulk in the mcu complete with that sparkling David dialogue

Reed, Sue and Johnny should be the race they've been for the past 50+ years. No reason to change them

Mr fantastic - Patterson Joseph


Invisible woman - Regina Hall
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Human torch - Jharrel Jerome


Ben Grimm - Kevin Michael Richardson

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[Silvermoth]

Also, I’m part of an atompunk group on Facebook and I am absolutely obsessed with that aesthetic. I would love for the film to have an atompunk film even if it is present day


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[Silvermoth]

And in contrast latveria should have gothic Frankenstein type technology

 

[Dark Raven]

Since everyone's doing their alternate casting for FF, here's mine:

Reed:

Sue:

Johnny:

Ben

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Also, I’m part of an atompunk group on Facebook and I am absolutely obsessed with that aesthetic. I would love for the film to have an atompunk film even if it is present day






Obviously with some modernisation/futurism

I didn't even realize that was a thing. I've just been referring to it as a "more modern Steam-punk" not realizing there was an actual term for it.

That is the thing that intrigues me about going retro - putting Kirby's panels on the screen as a direct, literal translation, and I think that could be sort of cool.

But I'm still on the fence regarding going retro because of the other issues that brings up related to the broader MCU.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Since everyone's doing their alternate casting for FF, here's mine:

Reed:

Sue:

Johnny:

Ben

 

[Crimz]

Lastly but not least is Mr Fantastic


Reed is the most difficult of the four to get right. That's why he's last, he took the most time to think about.

Movement

Live-action films have yet to get someone with super elasticity right, so getting Reed right would be a first in Hollywood. However there is one genre that has gotten close and that's horror.
Reed's body moves and contorts in ways that if we saw it in real life would be very disturbing and that's the key to making it look believable. It should look kind of gross and disturbing and applying techniques commonly used in horror films may be what's needed.
I won't post any examples because... you know.... horror. So I'll post this instead to show that when you think about it Reed is basically body horror.

Appearance

Combining prosthetics with CGI is the way to go for Reed.
It's difficult to go into detail here because it's all about getting the special effects to look right which is all about how the SFX and VFX teams handle it. They have their work cut out for them when it comes to Reed.

How he fights

Reed is the one who should be the last one to want to fight. But when he does it's mainly using a gadget he's created or restraining opponents with his body and grappling them.

When it comes to him having to be more aggressive they should a few queues from one of the most popular elastic heroes currently. Luffy from the anime called One Piece.
Luffy's attacks take start-up because he uses his elasticity to it's potential. Instead of just punching someone he stretches his arm back and then releases it to increase the force of his blows. He does that with most of his attacks. That's how Reed should fight, maximizing the use of his rubber physiology.



So if Reed were to kick someone his leg would extend back a bit and the release forward into his target like when you pull a rubberband.


In terms of powers Reed is the most difficult of the four to get right visually in live action films. It will take a combinations of techniques and maybe some innovation to get his stretching to look good. But if done right you can have some really cool scenes.

 

[Endeavor]

Since everyone's doing their alternate casting for FF, here's mine:

Ben

Marvel can't use him for Ben. FOX already used him in Fant4stic.

 

[Spider-Fan83]

You know I was thinking Id like to see Edward Norton in the MCU again. Maybe he would make a good Doom, Reed or Grim depending on what they're going for.

if any former Hulk actor were to play Reed I feel like Eric Bana would be a better fit (or any of those characters for that matter)

 

[Zarex]

Lastly but not least is Mr Fantastic

Reed is the most difficult of the four to get right. That's why he's last, he took the most time to think about.

Another example of a stretchy super powered person done right is Madame Rouge from the original Teen Titans show. In the show she was more the Brotherhood's lady terminator than the team's weak link.

 

[Crimz]

Another example of a stretchy super powered person done right is Madame Rouge from the original Teen Titans show. In the show she was more the Brotherhood's lady terminator than the team's weak link.

Yeah that's another good example. Animation can get stretchy powers right, Mrs Incredible is another example. It's live action where things go wrong and it's not an easy fix.

 

[Marvel united]

Reed Richards:

Sue Storm

Ben Grimm

Johnny Storm

My ideal cast

 

[Dark Raven]

Reed Richards:

Sue Storm

Ben Grimm

Johnny Storm

My ideal cast

I can get behind most of this cast, especially Lily James.

But Johnny looks like his hair is receding.

 

[Crimz]

My first choice cast:

Oscar Isaac as Reed

Evan Rachel Wood as Sue

David Harbour as Ben

Cole Sprouse as Johnny

But I'm open to changes. I'm excited for who Marvel will pick as their casting is usually great.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Because of course hair and make up teams don't exist in movies...

 

[Marvel united]

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I can get behind most of this cast, especially Lily James.

But Johnny looks like his hair is receding

Well his hair is slicked back in that photo.

Dylan Sprayberry then

 

[DalekbusterFitz]

My ideal cast:

Matt Smith as Reed Richards:

Jodie Whittaker as Sue Storm:

Tom Hardy as Ben Grimm:

Tom Felton as Johnny Storm:

 

[Xeno]

We're back to the floating headshots? Okay.

Reed

Sue

Johnny

Ben

Doom

 

[Silvermoth]

Xena you are going to give me nightmares

Since everyone's doing their alternate casting for FF, here's mine:

Reed:

Sue:

Johnny:

Ben

That better be a Jewish rock!

I didn't even realize that was a thing. I've just been referring to it as a "more modern Steam-punk" not realizing there was an actual term for it.

That is the thing that intrigues me about going retro - putting Kirby's panels on the screen as a direct, literal translation, and I think that could be sort of cool.

But I'm still on the fence regarding going retro because of the other issues that brings up related to the broader MCU.

Oh my gosh you have to get into it. Either imagesearch atompunk or type it into Facebook and join the group. It’s glorious. There’s a whole bunch of them too like dieselpunk but atompunk is my fave. Even better than steampunk!

I mean imagine if the fantasticar looked like this



The one on the right I mean, not the woman.