Old MCU Fantastic Four Discussion Thread

[Detective Conan]

Harvey Weinstein should be cast as The Moleman. He's hideous enough.

Psyche!

 

[Silvermoth]

I could see him as Beast. For me it would be hard top top Kelsey Grammer, that was perfect casting. I also don't think Beast needs to have a major role or even be in any future X-films from Marvel. Changing the main characters would differentiate their version more from the Fox ones.

That's when the superhero aspect kicks in, they save the day in bombastic ways. Plus the film being live-action helps, you can immerse people in imaginative worlds in a way that cartoons can not. Rick and Morty is great cartoon, but it's animation isn't the best for transporting the audience (that's not a slight against the animation as it suits the show perfectly). Also, Rick and Morty is very cynical and it's target audience are only adults which are two things that a FF film won't be.

If anything Rick and Morty makes me even more hopeful about a true FF film as some have tried to say that no one cares about sci-fi adventures anymore and that show has proven them wrong. It has even borrowed from the FF before with the popular Council of Ricks.

Agreed, Kelsey was so perfect. I would love to see more of beast though because there’s still so much to cover with him and also he played a huge role with the avengers so I would want to see that too

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Screen Rant posted an article about who they'd cast, which was ok I guess, but in the comments there was an interesting choice by a poster for Reed. Sendhil Ramamurthy:

Spoiler

I think he could be a really good choice, he played a believable smart guy in the show Heroes. Unfortunately, I haven't seen his other shows so I can't verify how good his acting is in general.

Reed Richards is an otherworldy kind of smart, that's my one reason for using this gif.

I guess he can work if they want to go with an Indian Reed, but right now I'd rather have these characters in their original race.

 

[Detective Conan]

Marvel Studios generally doesn't bother with race-swapping unless it's just the supporting characters of the main heroes(Heimdall and Valkyrie comes to mind).

Marvel could've easily race-swapped Peter Parker for the MCU but they opted for the traditional route and cast him accurately(ethnicity-wise) and race-swapped a lot of Peter's supporting casts from the comics like Liz, MJ, and Flash Thompson instead to meet the 'diversity quota.' Peter Parker/Spider-Man is just too iconic as a Caucasian to alter his ethnicity(even though his skin color is covered entirely by his costume). Same goes for the Reed Richards for me and many others.

So I can't see Marvel race-swapping any of the Four but I can see them race-swapping the Fours supporting cast/villains around - Willie Lumpkin, for instance, could be race-swapped and no one would bat an eye since he's a minor character that very rarely has any bearing on any of the FF stories.

But I'd prefer the main heroes to look the way they do in the comics(racially). I don't want a non-white Reed Richards. Now if Marvel casted a non-white in the role would I be a bit disappointed? Yes. Can I accept it and not be a cry-baby about it? Of course. Because what matters most is capturing the essence of the character from the comics and if the actor can transcend not looking the character and essentially do an amazing portrayal of the character than that's all that really matters.

 

[terry78]

They won't race swap now after Fant4stic.

 

[Crimz]

The only iconic thing for Reed to me are his grey temples. Other than that I have no problem with open casting.

 

[Marvel united]

Marvel Studios generally doesn't bother with race-swapping unless it's just the supporting characters of the main heroes(Heimdall and Valkyrie comes to mind).

Marvel could've easily race-swapped Peter Parker for the MCU but they opted for the traditional route and cast him accurately(ethnicity-wise) and race-swapped a lot of Peter's supporting casts from the comics like Liz, MJ, and Flash Thompson instead to meet the 'diversity quota.' Peter Parker/Spider-Man is just too iconic as a Caucasian to alter his ethnicity(even though his skin color is covered entirely by his costume). Same goes for the Reed Richards for me and many others.

So I can't see Marvel race-swapping any of the Four but I can see them race-swapping the Fours supporting cast/villains around - Willie Lumpkin, for instance, could be race-swapped and no one would bat an eye since he's a minor character that very rarely has any bearing on any of the FF stories.

But I'd prefer the main heroes to look the way they do in the comics(racially). I don't want a non-white Reed Richards. Now if Marvel casted a non-actor in the role would I be a bit disappointed? Yes. Can I accept it and not be a cry-baby about it? Of course. Because what matters most is capturing the essence of the character from the comics and if the actor can transcend not looking the character and essentially do an amazing portrayal of the character than that's all that really matters.

Pretty much my viewpoint.

 

[Rorschach2012]

Screen Rant posted an article about who they'd cast, which was ok I guess, but in the comments there was an interesting choice by a poster for Reed. Sendhil Ramamurthy:

I think he could be a really good choice, he played a believable smart guy in the show Heroes. Unfortunately, I haven't seen his other shows so I can't verify how good his acting is in general.

From what I remember of him on Heroes, he was solid. All the acting was pretty solid there. I don't know if he has that intangible it factor that makes him appropriate for a leading role though.

I think we need someone for Reed that has already shown their ability to lead a film.

Krasinski is the guy. He's been suggested for so many superhero roles in the past, but this is the one he's perfect for. The guy was almost cast as Captain America, I can see Marvel taking another look at him.

Maybe we should look at other actors that were almost cast. Joseph Gordon Levitt and Glenn Howerton spring to mind. And I remember just about every big actor was considered for Dr Strange... I'm sure we could find a good Reed in that list.

 

[Silvermoth]

Marvel Studios generally doesn't bother with race-swapping unless it's just the supporting characters of the main heroes(Heimdall and Valkyrie comes to mind).

Marvel could've easily race-swapped Peter Parker for the MCU but they opted for the traditional route and cast him accurately(ethnicity-wise) and race-swapped a lot of Peter's supporting casts from the comics like Liz, MJ, and Flash Thompson instead to meet the 'diversity quota.' Peter Parker/Spider-Man is just too iconic as a Caucasian to alter his ethnicity(even though his skin color is covered entirely by his costume). Same goes for the Reed Richards for me and many others.

So I can't see Marvel race-swapping any of the Four but I can see them race-swapping the Fours supporting cast/villains around - Willie Lumpkin, for instance, could be race-swapped and no one would bat an eye since he's a minor character that very rarely has any bearing on any of the FF stories.

But I'd prefer the main heroes to look the way they do in the comics(racially). I don't want a non-white Reed Richards. Now if Marvel casted a non-actor in the role would I be a bit disappointed? Yes. Can I accept it and not be a cry-baby about it? Of course. Because what matters most is capturing the essence of the character from the comics and if the actor can transcend not looking the character and essentially do an amazing portrayal of the character than that's all that really matters.

True but to be fair Spider-Man is the main character while fantastic four is a team book. And to be honest, I don’t think the world would have ended if they had opened the casting up

The only iconic thing for Reed to me are his grey temples. Other than that I have no problem with open casting.

Oh yes that would be a nice touch and it worked so well for strange. I could easily see Sendhil with grey temples

 

[ernesth100]

*snop*

 

[TheVileOne]

Yeah the general MO has been to race-swap the supporting characters but none of the marquee ones. Yet at least. They could always change that in the future, but we'll see.

 

[SheWolf]

Reed Richards - I was set on Theo James but I quite like the idea of John Krasinski playing Reed.

Sue Storm - Dianna Argon

Johnny Storm - Ansel Elgort

Thing - Seth Rogen

 

[Fallen]

In a recent interview, John Krasinski revealed that he would love to play Mr. Fantastic in a Fantastic Four movie:

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Starts at 2:27.

 

[Silvermoth]

You know who would be fun for the Thing? Ben platt (pitch perfect, ricki and the flash). He’s got that winning marvel look of good comedic timing and lovability, he’s Jewish and he’s the perfect age. Plus they’re both called Ben!

 

[Crimz]

You know who would be fun for the Thing? Ben platt (pitch perfect, ricki and the flash). He’s got that winning marvel look of good comedic timing and lovability, he’s Jewish and he’s the perfect age. Plus they’re both called Ben!

Isn't 24 too young? That's younger than the Fan4stic cast were, I'd be looking at whoever plays Johnny being around that age.

 

[DyeLorean]

I think Marvel needs some very charismatic actors for Fantastic Four to wash away all the bad taste from the previous films. Miles Teller was simply an abomination of a choice for Reed Richards.
John Krasinski is indeed a very interesting choice.

 

[Marvel united]

Mid to Late thirties and early forties is the way to go for Reed and Ben. Sue should be late twenties to early thirties, Johnny should be early twenties - same age as Tom Holland.

 

[superman-mos]

I’ve said this before but I want the Fantastic 4 to capture the spirit of an adventure film. They are heroes but they are also explorers, I’d like to see Reed be more than just a aloof lab junkie. Yes he is brilliant but he is also willing to jump in front and lead. I want him to be more like Indiana Jones and ready for action. Play up both aspects of his character, super smart but always ready for action. Doc Savage comes to mind when thinking of how I’d like Reed portrayed. Show and play up the family aspect and maybe the F4 are leading the way for a new Marvel Universe after Avengers 4. They become the standard for heroes. I’d have Ben and Reed portrayed similar to Bucky and Steve. They may not be related but they are brothers and Ben was always there for Reed. Now I may catch some crap for my Ben casting but it’s not like it’s really gonna happen Amy’s lol.

Reed Richards: John Krasinski
Sue Storm: Katheryn Winnick
Johnny Storm: Zac Efron
Ben Grimm: Sean William Scott

I think the only two that really needs explaining is Efron and Scott. Efron can play the cocky guy with ease but he has really became such a good actor that he could play up the sincerity he has for his family. Sean is known for his stiffler role but his portrayal in the movie Goon really sold me on him being able to play Ben Grimm.

 

[terry78]

Efron looks almost too close in age to Krasinski for me, lol

 

[DyeLorean]

I’ve said this before but I want the Fantastic 4 to capture the spirit of an adventure film.

Yes. I agree. And I want them to set the film in the 60's. Maybe have Hank Pym be the link to crossover and made it "an MCU film".
Since Kevin Feige and company are very 'old school' in their approach, having them in the 60's is a perfect fit.
Just like their "political thriller" for Winter Soldier or "heist action" for Ant-Man, a "vintage 60's adventure film" for FF sounds pretty good to me.

 

[Crimz]

Yes. I agree. And I want them to set the film in the 60's. Maybe have Hank Pym be the link to crossover and made it "an MCU film".
Since Kevin Feige and company are very 'old school' in their approach, having them in the 60's is a perfect fit.
Just like their "political thriller" for Winter Soldier or "heist action" for Ant-Man, a "vintage 60's adventure film" for FF sounds pretty good to me.

I don't want them in the 60's. To me that plays up the tired opinion of "they don't fit in the modern era" which is not true at all. I want them to be in and from the modern times, Reed being a contemporary to Stark, Banner, T'Challa and all the Marvel geniuses.

Johnny being best friends with Peter Parker and annoying the crap out of him.

Sue no longer being just the wife and girlfriend if Reed, she'd be her own person and apart of the scientific/adventure aspect more. They may make her a doctor and have connections to Stephen Strange. If it takes place in the 60s then she would be relegated to that and 60s Sue is just the worst.

Ben could have his poker games which could be an after credit scene with all the heroes.

With them being from the modern era each one could have a connection to a particular corner of the MU. While they wouldn't be the "first" (which isn't important to me at all) they'd be friends with or have links to most major Marvel heroes like they are in comics.
Part of the reason why I want them in Marvel is because of all the possible interactions with other heroes, setting them in the 60s erases that.

 

[Tymminator]

I would like them in the 1960’s but then brought to the present time.

 

[Detective Conan]

I don't want them in the 60's. To me that plays up the tired opinion of "they don't fit in the modern era" which is not true at all. I want them to be in and from the modern times, Reed being a contemporary to Stark, Banner, T'Challa and all the Marvel geniuses.

Johnny being best friends with Peter Parker and annoying the crap out of him.

Agree to disagree. IMO it wouldn't take away from the FF core as characters if you make it a period piece, and you could sort of justify the more antiquated elements from the comics like the original "beat the reds" motivation for stealing the spaceship in a film.

With them being from the modern era each one could have a connection to a particular corner of the MU. While they wouldn't be the "first" (which isn't important to me at all) they'd be friends with or have links to most major Marvel heroes like they are in comic
.Part of the reason why I want them in Marvel is because of all the possible interactions with other heroes, setting them in the 60s erases that.

Not if you take the Captain America route. You could have the first film take place in the the past then the sequels take place in modern day.

 

[Marvel united]

I don't agree with you about 60s Sue, I think she was still a strong, badass character. She wasn't just a trophy wife for Reed.

 

[Silvermoth]

Isn't 24 too young? That's younger than the Fan4stic cast were, I'd be looking at whoever plays Johnny being around that age.

Nah that’s the age marvel usually aims for. Not too young, not too old. Plenty of franchise potential.

I would like them in the 1960’s but then brought to the present time.

Maybe that could be the new infinity war gems Easter egg? Like if kang is the big bad, he’s grabbing people like the ff and carol danvers and bringing them to a different time zone