Old MCU Fantastic Four Discussion Thread

[CaptainWagner]

New lineup for me:

Andre Holland (40) for Reed

Alison Brie (37) for Sue

Dacre Montgomery (25) for Johnny

Seth Rogan (38) for Ben

 

[Web-Head]

New thought:

Andre Holland (40) for Reed

He was supposedly up for a role in Black Widow too

 

[CaptainWagner]

He was supposedly up for a role in Black Widow too

Oh yeah! I forgot that! And then he got replaced by OT Fagbenle. Almost as if... the Fox deal had gone through and they decided they wanted him for something else. Tin foiling commences...

 

[Eddie Dean]

I think Nathan Fielder would be a good Reed.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

New lineup for me:

Andre Holland (40) for Reed

Alison Brie (37) for Sue

Dacre Montgomery (25) for Johnny

Seth Rogan (38) for Ben

I can't see any of them as these characters, though they all have something to be recommended as performers.

 

[Detective Conan]

I can't see any of them as these characters, though they all have something to be recommended as performers.

Well... you could easily say the same for the Heath when he was cast as the Joker. He had good performances, but no one in a million years could say they could see a dude who was best known for playing a gay cowboy at that point play a homicidal criminal clown super villain. Chris Evans was someone I had a hard time picturing as the uptight, by-the-books square known as Captain America, especially after his last Marvel comic book role where he played the total opposite of that with Johnny Storm but it turns out he was actually perfect.

Sometimes the least obvious choice, the one choice that makes you initially go, “huh?” is actually the most exciting choice for me since it makes you wonder what did the director see in that actor that you didn’t that made them win that role. Which is why I’m hoping the next actor that Marvel chooses to play Reed is someone no one here has thought of before, or at the very least hasn’t been suggested nearly as much as the others.

 

[Weather Witch]

So the least obvious choice, the one choice that makes you initially go, “huh?” is actually the most exciting choice for me

I understand your argument, but 95% of the MCU cast has played more or less the same role they are currently playing in the MCU in another movie (or movies) before. It is just easier to see actors in certain roles, rather than having an actor going against the usual character (s)he plays.

 

[Detective Conan]

I understand your argument, but 95% of the MCU cast has played more or less the same role they are currently playing in the MCU in another movie (or movies) before. It is just easier to see actors in certain roles, rather than having an actor going against the usual character (s)he plays.

Yes, I’m aware of that but I’m just saying we ought to keep in an open-mind for casting suggestions every once awhile that might seem a little out-of-the-box.

 

[Weather Witch]

Yes, I’m aware of that but I’m just saying we ought to keep in an open-mind for casting suggestions every once awhile that might seem a little out-the-of-box.

That I agree with. ^_^

 

[Harry Dresden]

Reed Richards/Kingsley Ben-Adir

Invisible Woman/Ana de Armas

Human Torch/Diego Boneta

The Thing/Jesse Plemons

Victor von Doom/Rami Malek

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Best guesses?

Marvel Taps Puerto Rican Director Alejandra López for Mystery Project

 

[TheVileOne]

Are we even sure he's Kang? Has there been any solid confirmation of that? The original reports I saw was that he was cast in an unknown role. Is Kang confirmed or wishful thinking?

It's not "official" but Deadline usually doesn't go forward with stories unless they are like pretty strongly accurate.

Like I'd say Deadline's track record isn't perfect, but it is pretty darned good.

 

[The Overlord]

Should the Frightful Four be the main villains of a film or should they be henchmen for another villain or villains for an action scene in the beginning of a film?

The problem with the Frightful Four as main villains is Wizard would be the Big Bad of the film and I think he has always been a dull and one note villain, except for a few brief periods in the last ten years that were quickly forgotten, otherwise he has no real redeeming qualities, but never does anything more sinister then generic kill the heroes plots. His motives are just a knock off Dr. Doom's and in the comics he had no real reason for becoming a super villain, he would likely be better as a clever merc leader who does this stuff for fun rather than a someone who is jealous of Reed and wants to prove himself superior.

The Frightful Four are probably better as mercs than the main villains, they really cannot carry a whole movie on their own and someone like Trapster would need to be revamped to be more of a threat.

 

[Crimz]

Skip the Frightful Four. There are plenty of better villains that the team can face and I don't want them taking screen time away from better villains. There are only so many films the team will get and the Frightful Four would be a waste tbh.

 

[Jordacar]

There are lots of ways the Frightful Four could be used in support of a more interesting villain or story, so I wouldn't rule them out. In any event, I'm hoping we'll get more supervillain teams going forward.

 

[Dark Raven]

There are lots of ways the Frightful Four could be used in support of a more interesting villain or story, so I wouldn't rule them out. In any event, I'm hoping we'll get more supervillain teams going forward.

Agree. I've often said that they could be the opening act for an Inhumans plotline. The Fantastic Four could be battling them with an amnesiac Medusa being one of the Frightful Four. After defeating the Frightful Four, the FF are holding Medusa. But then Blackbolt and co show up and think that the FF are responsible for abducting her and causing her to lose her memory. Maybe the Wizard feeds into this and tries to pit the Inhumans against the FF.

 

[The Overlord]

There are lots of ways the Frightful Four could be used in support of a more interesting villain or story, so I wouldn't rule them out. In any event, I'm hoping we'll get more supervillain teams going forward.

But again, the problem is the Wizard will be main villain of a Frightful Four film and no one has made a good argument on why Wizard is a great villain in his own right vs. him being a fourth-rate Dr. Doom wannabe except not nearly as clever and far fewer redeeming qualities. What makes Wizard a great character and villain instead?

Agree. I've often said that they could be the opening act for an Inhumans plotline. The Fantastic Four could be battling them with an amnesiac Medusa being one of the Frightful Four. After defeating the Frightful Four, the FF are holding Medusa. But then Blackbolt and co show up and think that the FF are responsible for abducting her and causing her to lose her memory. Maybe the Wizard feeds into this and tries to pit the Inhumans against the FF.

Why would Wizard be the villain in a Inhumans based villain over Maximus the Mad?

 

[MbJ]

 

[DawnWarrior]

Why would Wizard be the villain in a Inhumans based villain over Maximus the Mad?

He wouldn't be THE villain, just A villain like Batroc or perhaps Surtur. Just somebody the Four have to deal with for the opening of the movie.

Honestly, I'm amazed this isn't more common in super-hero movies. Every James Bond movie opens with an action setpiece, usually unrelated to the main plot. Why doesn't every movie in the MCU open with the heroes fighting some B- or C-list enemy from their rogue's gallery, just to kick things off with a bang and get a couple more action figures on the shelf? This should be a trope that is so frequent that people would be sick of it.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I've always hated the Frightful Four.

Medusa is only interesting because of her connection to Inhumans. Her power is, frankly, laughable.

Paste-Pot Pete/Trapster do I even have to say how pathetic he is?

Sandman is interesting, but he's a Spider-Man villain, not an FF villain.

Arguably the Wizard's brain could be a threat, but his intellect doesn't come close to matching Reed.

A good villain needs to present a threat, and the Frightful Four are badly outmatched by the Fantastic Four.

And finally, the Frightful Four typically uses the defeat of the FF as their primary goal/task. Who cares? The whole point of a superhero is they risk themselves to protect others. If the Frightful Four aren't a threat to the general population, the story is pointless.

 

[The Overlord]

He wouldn't be THE villain, just A villain like Batroc or perhaps Surtur. Just somebody the Four have to deal with for the opening of the movie.

Honestly, I'm amazed this isn't more common in super-hero movies. Every James Bond movie opens with an action setpiece, usually unrelated to the main plot. Why doesn't every movie in the MCU open with the heroes fighting some B- or C-list enemy from their rogue's gallery, just to kick things off with a bang and get a couple more action figures on the shelf? This should be a trope that is so frequent that people would be sick of it.

But that is what I am saying, either the Frightful Four should be part of an action set piece at the beginning of the movie or they can be henchmen for a better villain. Wizard would more a threat if he wasn't so arrogant that his ego far outmatches his abilities, if he was a merc leader who did jobs for fun and profit is more believable than Wizard posing any direct intellectual threat to Reed and being jealous of Reed.

 

[Kev4000]

Reed Richards/Kingsley Ben-Adir

Invisible Woman/Ana de Armas

Human Torch/Diego Boneta

The Thing/Jesse Plemons

Victor von Doom/Rami Malek

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Ah hard yes from me for Armas and Plemons!!!

 

[MbJ]

Best guesses?

Marvel Taps Puerto Rican Director Alejandra López for Mystery Project

It's an audio podcast project. It's extremely unlikely they'd already hired a Fantastic Four writer when there hasn't even been any news of a script.

Blade was announced first and is still looking for writers.

 

[Zarex]

He wouldn't be THE villain, just A villain like Batroc or perhaps Surtur. Just somebody the Four have to deal with for the opening of the movie.

Honestly, I'm amazed this isn't more common in super-hero movies. Every James Bond movie opens with an action setpiece, usually unrelated to the main plot. Why doesn't every movie in the MCU open with the heroes fighting some B- or C-list enemy from their rogue's gallery, just to kick things off with a bang and get a couple more action figures on the shelf? This should be a trope that is so frequent that people would be sick of it.

I've always thought a homage to FF #1 would be a great way to introduce the MCU team. The team is in civies dispersed throughout (hopefully 60s era) Manhattan. A monster breaks through the pavement in Times Square and the First Family drops what they are doing to join the fray. I don't see Moleman as a great antagonist, so you knock him out within the first few minutes. Maybe we see a reformed version helping the team out later in the series.

 

[Loden Greatstorm]

Marvel needs to announce F4 in a DC Fandome type event.