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[Logan Howlett]

First, both Victor Creed and The Red X have been aproved. Second, in regaurds to Creed being Dog Logan, I will accept it. As far as the scars on his face, not origin or any sabretooth comic said that his powers had manefested at that age, so his powers could have come later and the scaring removed. As for the two of them not remembering each other, you must understand thier powers are the same and that includes thier minds healing over painful memories. I know Victor Creed and he has PM'ed me with some exelent story ideas for this character and I look forward to seeing what he can do with it. As far as the question posed by The Red X, this will be the only time you have to be aproved, from now on you are free to make all the other important disisions that come your way, I look forward to working with you, and I look forward to seeing your rendition of captain marvel.

 

[Logan Howlett]

Yeah, but the Justice League (that's Justice League, not society. You keep calling them the JSA) have had serious ties to the government in the past. The Avengers don't just protect the states. They protect the entire world. They have ties to both the U.S. defence department AND the U.N. security council. As do the Justice League. Thus, it would really make more sense if they were one team.

I realize that they both protect the entire world, but I want the Avengers main focus to be government affiliation and orders from that chain of command. I dont want to have the teams merge because I still want to preserve the essence of the characters. They should be seperate teams with seperate views. I want to keep the Avengers as government contracted agents, and JSA and/or JLA as a gathering or heros under the financial protection of its members. This way heros can later decide to leave one team for another or in time try to merge the two as one, but not from the start, that would be to easy. There needs to be struggle and conflict and even mistrust. But as they are two seperate teams from two seperate origins this is how we should begin with it, later down the line there can be more cooperation, but lets have fun with the struggle first.

 

[The Question]

Fine. But......

1) I'd still think that the two teams would join forces very shortly after both of thier starts.

2) I'd at least like to see some DC characters on The Avengers and some Marvel characters on the Justice Leagu.

3) With the JSA, they did work with the government back in the 40s. And I think that Cap would have been a member back then.

 

[The Question]

First, both Victor Creed and The Red X have been aproved. Second, in regaurds to Creed being Dog Logan, I will accept it. As far as the scars on his face, not origin or any sabretooth comic said that his powers had manefested at that age, so his powers could have come later and the scaring removed. As for the two of them not remembering each other, you must understand thier powers are the same and that includes thier minds healing over painful memories.

But if he already had the scars, they wouldn't disapear after his powers manifested. The scar tissue is already there, and scar tissue wouldn't disapear with excelerated cellular regeneration. As for the not remembering each other, Sabretooth didn't have any painful memories regardung to Logan. It doesn't seem likely that he'd supress the memories of Logan being his brother. Also, he has stated that he has memories of his childhood, his father abusing him regularly in particular. If his mind wouldn't supress that, then it doesn't seem likely that he'd supress the memory of duking it out with Logan earlyer. Just saying, the "Sabretooth being Dog" theory doesn't hold up.

 

[Victor Creed]

But if he already had the scars, they wouldn't disapear after his powers manifested. The scar tissue is already there, and scar tissue wouldn't disapear with excelerated cellular regeneration.

Marvel always has a crazy scheme involving some sort of scientific mumbo jumbo, but one fact remains. The slash across Dog's face didnt kill him, it was just a slash, which means that it didnt necessarily go through all skin and muscle in Dog's face. Now, let's say Dog got in a fight (after the regeneration manifested) with a fire and his face lost, it would regenerate based on the mapping of the lower layers, bye bye scar tissue.

As for the not remembering each other, Sabretooth didn't have any painful memories regardung to Logan. It doesn't seem likely that he'd supress the memories of Logan being his brother. Also, he has stated that he has memories of his childhood, his father abusing him regularly in particular.

Logan being his brother is a majorly painful thing to a kid as screwed up as Dog. Imagine if yer father beat the crap outta you and all while takin care of some rich pampered family's property. Thomas Logan was Dog's only family, as screwed up as he was, and even though Thomas killed John Howlett and was a drunken ass. That's all Dog knew of his father, so it was a normal behavior for him, however, when James killed Thomas, Dog lost his only family at the hands of some pampered kid. It would then be a likely thing to block out all aside from what he remembered of the only family he knew, his ass of a father.

Since James murdered Thomas, Dog had no future possibilities to get revenge, or retaliate, against the abuse, which turned James in Dog's nemesis. It all seems to be a plausible story if you think about it like that because it explains why Sabretooth IS Dog.

 

[WeaponZ2]

Dog is not Sabertooth but he's supposed to represent Sabertooth the same way Rose represents Jean.

 

[The Question]

Marvel always has a crazy scheme involving some sort of scientific mumbo jumbo, but one fact remains. The slash across Dog's face didnt kill him, it was just a slash, which means that it didnt necessarily go through all skin and muscle in Dog's face. Now, let's say Dog got in a fight (after the regeneration manifested) with a fire and his face lost, it would regenerate based on the mapping of the lower layers, bye bye scar tissue.

You have a point. But logically, his powers would have manifested long before he fought Logan in the mining villaige.

Logan being his brother is a majorly painful thing to a kid as screwed up as Dog. Imagine if yer father beat the crap outta you and all while takin care of some rich pampered family's property. Thomas Logan was Dog's only family, as screwed up as he was, and even though Thomas killed John Howlett and was a drunken ass. That's all Dog knew of his father, so it was a normal behavior for him, however, when James killed Thomas, Dog lost his only family at the hands of some pampered kid. It would then be a likely thing to block out all aside from what he remembered of the only family he knew, his ass of a father.

Since James murdered Thomas, Dog had no future possibilities to get revenge, or retaliate, against the abuse, which turned James in Dog's nemesis. It all seems to be a plausible story if you think about it like that because it explains why Sabretooth IS Dog.

By that logic, he'd be even more likely to remeber Logan since he's the focus of his want for revenge. Seriously, a sadistic bastard like Creed would probably remember the face of the man who killed his alchoholic abusive sorry excuse for a man father, and either shake his hand, gut him, or both. Very unlikely that he'd forget him, just to later meet him and become his rival again anyway.

 

[Victor Creed]

By that logic, he'd be even more likely to remeber Logan since he's the focus of his want for revenge. Seriously, a sadistic bastard like Creed would probably remember the face of the man who killed his alchoholic abusive sorry excuse for a man father, and either shake his hand, gut him, or both. Very unlikely that he'd forget him, just to later meet him and become his rival again anyway.

But also by that logic, James should have remembered Creed because it was during the fight between them that Rose was killed. Besides, it could always be a subliminal thing, with the whole taking of the Logan name looking very strongly like Thomas Logan that made them nemesis. The same thing with Jean. How do we know James isnt just feeling an unconscious guilt about Rose and trying to use Jean to make it go away? I dont really think it is all that unlikely that two men so much alike end up in the same place, especially as rivals. As much as mutants want to be the next level in evolution, they still have the human flaw of a superiority complex.

 

[The Question]

Another thing. When Dog went after Logan at the end of the book (thehy were like 18/19), he remembered him. EWven if his powers had manifested later (which is very unlikely), it really makes no sense that he'd supress what happened with Logan in the mining villaige. The thing about supressed memories is that if it's not so traumatic that you wouldn't be able to function as a normal person if you remembered what happened, then the sane response is to repress the memory. If Dog remembered it was James/Logan who killed his father and went after him, then it seems very unlikely that he'd supress the memory of his fighting Logan. So really, the "Dog is Sabretooth" theory doesn't hold up.

 

[WeaponZ2]

Did no one read my post?
Dog is not Sabertooth.

 

[Victor Creed]

The thing about supressed memories is that if it's not so traumatic that you wouldn't be able to function as a normal person if you remembered what happened, then the sane response is to repress the memory.

Well here's the deal: Suppressed memories are lost because they are not integrated into the Neocortex. This is strange that Wolverine and Sabretooth could have any sort of loss such as that because the Neocortex (is involved in conscious thought, spatial reasoning, and sensory perception) is obviously a bit better in them than in humans, or at least more efficient. However, it is much stranger when another theory of suppression of memories is reviewed because it states that the right brain (responsible for Perceptual information from the eyes, ears, and rest of the body, as well as motor skills) does not communicate to the left brain (primarily language).

This makes Wolverine a less likely target for memory suppression because of the fact that he knows like 10 languages, while Sabretooth is not inclined to be as worldly tongued. Given that the two of them should have more efficient brain communication because of their enhanced senses, Wolverine is much less likely to suppress a memory than Creed because Wolvie has that upperhand in the language department as well as the fact that Creed's insanity could skew things in his mind.

Did no one read my post?
Dog is not Sabertooth.

Id be way more inclined to listen to The Question, at least he backs up his claims, you cant even spell Sabretooth the right way, heh.

 

[WeaponZ2]

Wow....your right I did spell it wrong, my bad.
Ill back up my claim later.

 

[The Question]

Well here's the deal: Suppressed memories are lost because they are not integrated into the Neocortex. This is strange that Wolverine and Sabretooth could have any sort of loss such as that because the Neocortex (is involved in conscious thought, spatial reasoning, and sensory perception) is obviously a bit better in them than in humans, or at least more efficient. However, it is much stranger when another theory of suppression of memories is reviewed because it states that the right brain (responsible for Perceptual information from the eyes, ears, and rest of the body, as well as motor skills) does not communicate to the left brain (primarily language).

This makes Wolverine a less likely target for memory suppression because of the fact that he knows like 10 languages, while Sabretooth is not inclined to be as worldly tongued. Given that the two of them should have more efficient brain communication because of their enhanced senses, Wolverine is much less likely to suppress a memory than Creed because Wolvie has that upperhand in the language department as well as the fact that Creed's insanity could skew things in his mind.

Why would their Neocortex be any better than anyone else's? Just because they regenerate tissue faster doesn't mean parts of their brains would work any better. And while supressed memories are lost because they aren't intergrated into the Neocortex, but the reason for it is to get rid of memories that would scar them to the point where they would be unable to function. It's a natural defense. So, they'd still be capable of supressing memories.

 

[WeaponZ2]

Originally Posted by TheCorpulent1

"A lot of Origin was symbolic in nature. Dog has some surface similarities to Sabertooth (See I'm not the only one that spelt it wrong) the same way that Rose has surface similarities to Jean Grey. They're the archetypes that Wolverine subconsciously attaches Creed and Jean to, which is why he just naturally hates Creed and naturally wants to bone Jean. Well, that's the reason beyond the obvious one that he's a guy and Jean is hot."

Note:I originally wrote my own post but......he said it better....

I'd also like to say you guys are really over thinking this.

 

[Victor Creed]

And while supressed memories are lost because they aren't intergrated into the Neocortex, but the reason for it is to get rid of memories that would scar them to the point where they would be unable to function. It's a natural defense. So, they'd still be capable of supressing memories.

Memories that are supressed dont have to be ones that would keep somone from functioning, they are usually just traumatic, but it doesnt mean yer just gonna freeze up forever you might just be a little jilted. Besides, the memories are not lost, they still are contained within the brain, they are just unable to be recalled without some sort of stimulus, hence the nickname "traumatic amnesia."

 

[Victor Creed]

Originally Posted by TheCorpulent1

"A lot of Origin was symbolic in nature. Dog has some surface similarities to Sabertooth (See I'm not the only one that spelt it wrong) the same way that Rose has surface similarities to Jean Grey. They're the archetypes that Wolverine subconsciously attaches Creed and Jean to, which is why he just naturally hates Creed and naturally wants to bone Jean. Well, that's the reason beyond the obvious one that he's a guy and Jean is hot."

Note:I originally wrote my own post but......he said it better....

I'd also like to say you guys are really over thinking this.

Yea I know yer not the only one to spell Sabretooth wrong, that's pretty common, I just point it out to be spiteful .

I already know the archetype bit, same thing Bill Jemas said, but there are other bits that Ive found from interviews with Paul Jenkins. (WIkipedia rox! lol)

In an interview (June 2002), when asked if Dog becomes Sabretooth, Paul Jenkins, co-writer of the mini-series Origin, said:
"Who knows? In my mind, Dog is not intended to be Sabretooth, but he could be. It doesn’t matter. As long as the next writer respects the character and writes a simple story, anything could happen."
In a more recent interview (January 2004), he was asked the same question. His answer remains ambiguous:
"I’m not sure. Dog for the moment is Dog. He’s not Sabretooth until he’s revealed to be Sabretooth. Maybe he never is. The question will be answered. Maybe it will be in “The End’” maybe it won’t. We’ll have to wait and see."
However, Wolverine: The End gave no definite answers to Sabretooth's origin.

So for this RPG i will consider myself to respect the character and keep it kinda simple. (How simple can a big ol hairy psycho like Sabretooth really be?)

And also Overthinking it is exactly what you should do if you wanna have in mind what yer RPG character will be like. Since this is starting in a whole new place, you can pretty much revamp yer character, although I do like the the history of Victor "Dog Logan" Creed :-P and James "Wolvie" Howlett.

 

[The Question]

Memories that are supressed dont have to be ones that would keep somone from functioning, they are usually just traumatic, but it doesnt mean yer just gonna freeze up forever you might just be a little jilted. Besides, the memories are not lost, they still are contained within the brain, they are just unable to be recalled without some sort of stimulus, hence the nickname "traumatic amnesia."

Yes, and they are usually so traumatic that your mind supresses them to insure that you can still function normally. So, it really doesn't seem likely that Creed would supress any knowlege of having met Logan previously.

 

[Victor Creed]

Yes, and they are usually so traumatic that your mind supresses them to insure that you can still function normally. So, it really doesn't seem likely that Creed would supress any knowlege of having met Logan previously.

Well, they dont have to be tramatic either, they can just be the last straw in a stressful situation. All repression is is your mind trying to get rid of a stressor. HAHA. I love how neither of us will budge on this. I say we just agree to disagree. It's like taking a philosophy class and the topic can be justified in more than one way. I see what you are saying, that it doesnt seem likely, but I still know im right :-P

All these posts and we end up back at the beginning, lol. No worries, at least the thread will stay fresh.

 

[The Question]

Actually, now that I think of it, one COULD say that Creed never mentioned anything about meeting Logan previously when they met in 1910 just to screw with him. Possibly. Mabey.

 

[Logan Howlett]

WOW! Im realy glad that you all took the time to get that in depth with the character,but as I have already said Victor Creed and his ideas for the character have been aproved. I realy like that it provoked so much thought from you guys, that shows that this is gona be one hellova RPG! Seriously though, his ideas for creed realy interested me and work well with what I have planed for Wolvie. And again I say,WE NEED VILLIANS! Anyone else willing to play a twisted psychopath is welcome to this RPG! I especialy would like to see Lex and/or the JOKER! Remember any villians from any side! We need at least two more. Aswell I think that it would be important for someone to play Nick Fury, SHIELD should play a big role in all this I think, so anyone interested please post an ap.

 

[Logan Howlett]

As well I think that if anyone decided to post aps for Redskull and Luthor that those two could make onehellova team, the best of both worlds, or....the worst depending on your point of view.

 

[rex26]

EDIT...changing to a villian

 

[rex26]

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Character you would like to play and a brief description of his/her powers and Bio: Magneto; Mutant Master of Magnetism; verrrrry extensive history..but let's just say he doesn't get along with humans.



Three reasons why you have chosen that character:

1. You guys need a strong villain

2. Magneto's take on the world has always been interesting to me

3. I hope to bring an epic story arc that can involve alot of RPer's

What can you bring to this game?

A classic character that will strike fear in humans.

How many times do you intend on posting a DAY IN the RPG: As many as possible

Do you know how to post pictures on the hype boards: Of course.



Id also like to say Ive been around these RPG's and think I have a good grasp on how they need to work to be effective and fun. I'd like to put my name out for a GM posistion to represent the bad guy's. This is a really good idea guys

 

[Red]

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