Homecoming Organics or Web-Shooters?

[TheVileOne]

Or they can do whatever they want with his webshooters really.

Spider-Man doesn't exist. He's a figment of make believe of fiction. So really you can put his dang webs where ever you want. He can shoot webs from his pupils if someone wanted them to.

His creators are Stan Lee and Steve Ditko. Lee doesn't give a flying rat about organic webs. He's happy as a clam that his creations are getting made into these huge films and he gets to have some spotlight from them and show up in cameos.

Steve Ditko? I mean, he might care, but he's hardly speaking up. Hard to really care what he thinks or wants with the Spider-Man movies since he does not really seem to care either.

 

[The Slang]

Spider-man... doesn't exist? Oh god, my world is shattered. If it's so unimportant to you then you should have no problem with those of us who prefer mechanical web shooters right? You don't care either way, but some of us see benefits to going that route.

 

[LizardMan07]

i really feel sorry for skilamaru, being accused of lieing and having poor reading comprehension!!!

If Peter sells the webbing he's going to be on talk shows as the boy inventor who created a mechanism to spin a substance into fibres that can hold at least the weight of a human. That is then shot out at relatively fast speeds. That sort of well, mechanical swindling has a fair amount of uses in it of itself.

Peters ability to fight crime and save people comes from the uniqueness of his invention, we can see in the comics and any medium really so many people trying to recreate Spiderman with a LOT of money behind them! What's to say that he he doesn't sell his webs to the Kingpins or Hammerheads of the world? The the Osborns? There's plenty of evil people out there who want Spidermans powers for themselves, heck, scorpion is basically a botched spideman killer. What if quinten beck could get a hold of some real webhooters? He'd be able to frame Spiderman even easier

Potentially aiding criminals and by extension, crime for a quick dollar would be the complete definition of going against WGPCGR, it's an absolute perversion of the concept and I'm sure in a universe where Spiderman did that uncle Ben would be turning in his grave.

Photos are harmless, web shooters have vast potential to weaponised and used for evil

 

[The Slang]

And let's not forget that a few blocks away Reed Richards is inventing a wormhole generator. Web shooters might be less impressive within the context of the Marvel universe.

 

[Johnny-Oh]

Here's a couple of questions about the organics:

1) If Peter was handed down the trait of organic webbing from the spider, why does the spinneret end up in his wrists and not from his backside?

In some iterations he gets little hairs that sprout from his fingertips and feet. Those are in the same area that a spider has its hair--on the tips of their legs. So why are the spinnerets not in the same place as well?

2) Would Pete's body be able to produce enough fluid to web across town, fight a villain and web home? Surely he'd become dehydrated or suffer some other ill effects having to produce that much. Right??

3) With mechanized webbing, Peter makes the signature Spidey hand pose to push the button that releases the web fluid. Why does he need to make the same hand pose to shoot organic webbing? There's no button to push.

1) No, Spiders don't have fingers they have 8 limbs with millions of scopula. In this case the powers needed to adapt to Peter's anatomy to work which is the exact same thing with the web shooters, they adapted to Peter's body.

2) Yes he would.

3) He uses the "hande pose" to push the muscle that shoots the web.

I don't really understand what's the point of being so technical and specific about this when we're talking about a guy who gets Spidey powers in a world when other crazy things happen.

 

[TheVileOne]

Spider-man... doesn't exist? Oh god, my world is shattered. If it's so unimportant to you then you should have no problem with those of us who prefer mechanical web shooters right? You don't care either way, but some of us see benefits to going that route.

I have no problem at all to preference. My problem is these cockamamie debates about scientifically why the body would put this there and that there. They are pointless.

You are still going to see the movie regardless of organic webs or not.

 

[Johnny-Oh]

It's a good point when you think about it. How much fluid would his body have to produce to swing across from Queens till Manhattan and beyond?

Well this can apply to web shooters as well, the web cartridge is extremely tiny and Spidey uses A LOT of web, realistically he should need to reaload very frecuently, more than he actually does.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Why? There are several ways to show his intelligence, not just the creating of the web shooters.
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Why not just use synthetic webbing as a display of Parker's intelligence.

Being that it's accurate to 50 years of comics, he uses them often as Spider-man and it's by far Parker's greatest invention.

 

[Johnny-Oh]

i really feel sorry for skilamaru, being accused of lieing and having poor reading comprehension!!!

If Peter sells the webbing he's going to be on talk shows as the boy inventor who created a mechanism to spin a substance into fibres that can hold at least the weight of a human. That is then shot out at relatively fast speeds. That sort of well, mechanical swindling has a fair amount of uses in it of itself.

Peters ability to fight crime and save people comes from the uniqueness of his invention, we can see in the comics and any medium really so many people trying to recreate Spiderman with a LOT of money behind them! What's to say that he he doesn't sell his webs to the Kingpins or Hammerheads of the world? The the Osborns? There's plenty of evil people out there who want Spidermans powers for themselves, heck, scorpion is basically a botched spideman killer. What if quinten beck could get a hold of some real webhooters? He'd be able to frame Spiderman even easier

Potentially aiding criminals and by extension, crime for a quick dollar would be the complete definition of going against WGPCGR, it's an absolute perversion of the concept and I'm sure in a universe where Spiderman did that uncle Ben would be turning in his grave.

Photos are harmless, web shooters have vast potential to weaponised and used for evil

I think what he was trying to say if that if Peter was genius enough to come up with the web shooters, he would be able to do pretty much anything and could find a way to get a better job or creating something that is harmless.

 

[LizardMan07]

Well this can apply to web shooters as well, the web cartridge is extremely tiny and Spidey uses A LOT of web, realistically he should need to reaload very frecuently, more than he actually does.

That's why his webshooters are so great.

Similar to an aerosol can his spiderfluid is stored as a liquid but expelled differently

In fact a better example would be a more precise, compact expand-a-foam!

Mechanical stuff does not face the limit his biology would face, to consistently be producing that would need energy on a far more frequent basis than the mechanical stuff

 

[The Slang]

1) No, Spiders don't have fingers they have 8 limbs with millions of scopula. In this case the powers needed to adapt to Peter's anatomy to work which is the exact same thing with the web shooters, they adapted to Peter's body.

Taking one part of a spiders anatomy and transferring them from a spiders limbs to a humans limbs is one thing, and obviously there's some suspension of disbelief required there, but I think that's quite different to having a body 'naturally' develop two sets of web shooting organs/muscles which don't even exist in spiders to begin with. It smacks of intelligent design, yet the transformation is not a product of intelligent design. It'd be like being bitten by a dragonfly and then naturally growing a jetpack.

I don't really understand what's the point of being so technical and specific about this when we're talking about a guy who gets Spidey powers in a world when other crazy things happen.

That same argument can be made for keeping the web shooters mechanical. Why did Raimi worry about mechanical webshooters being 'unrealistic' when we're talking about a guy who gets Spidey powers in a world when other crazy things happen.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

I have no problem at all to preference. My problem is these cockamamie debates about scientifically why the body would put this there and that there. They are pointless.

You are still going to see the movie regardless of organic webs or not.

The change to organics is what's pointless.

It adds nothing to the character and most fans don't like it so the big question is why force them in the movie?

Because fans should learn to feel apathy towards Spider-man's most iconic gadget?

 

[Johnny-Oh]

That's why his webshooters are so great.

Similar to an aerosol can his spiderfluid is stored as a liquid but expelled differently

In fact a better example would be a more precise, compact expand-a-foam!

Mechanical stuff does not face the limit his biology would face, to consistently be producing that would need energy on a far more frequent basis than the mechanical stuff

Regardless of how the web material is stored, its still an extremely limited amount of webbing. We need to suspend our disbelief to buy this as much as we need to with organic web.

 

[LizardMan07]

Regardless of how the web material is stored, its still an extremely limited amount of webbing. We need to suspend our disbelief to buy this as much as we need to with organic web.

Well, evidently it's not based on 50 years of comics

Just looking at bolded, I've noticed you do this a lot to a lot of different people, you loosely say something is wrong without providing a really solid reason or at times no reason at all, and then you put your own statement as fact without providing any examples or even an explanation as to why you think that.

You seem to have reasoning that conforms to your worldview, not a worldview that is informed by your reasoning.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

I think what he was trying to say if that if Peter was genius enough to come up with the web shooters, he would be able to do pretty much anything and could find a way to get a better job or creating something that is harmless.

Peter Parker is committed to using his gifts for helping people, not for getting rich.

Think of the lesson from his Uncle Ben's death.

Think of how Jonas Salk donated the polio vaccine to help the world when he could've used it to make millions.

 

[Johnny-Oh]

Taking one part of a spiders anatomy and transferring them from a spiders limbs to a humans limbs is one thing, and obviously there's some suspension of disbelief required there, but I think that's quite different to having a body 'naturally' develop two sets of web shooting organs/muscles which don't even exist in spiders to begin with. It smacks of intelligent design, yet the transformation is not a product of intelligent design. It'd be like being bitten by a dragonfly and then naturally growing a jetpack.

He would get the web shooters wherever is good for him to have them, that's where suspension of disbelief comes in. You're pretty much questioning the entire idea of Peter getting powers from a Spider.

That same argument can be made for keeping the web shooters mechanical. Why did Raimi worry about mechanical webshooters being 'unrealistic' when we're talking about a guy who gets Spidey powers in a world when other crazy things happen.

Its not the same, people's criticisms against the organic webs are based entirely on the science behind its origin, that's why its so pointless to question them with all the other crazy scientific elements in the lore.

The mechanical webs are different, not only is it hard to believe that he would be able to create them(getting the resources for them) but it puts him on a big disadvantage that the script would only use when its conventient. If we were looking this from the most realistic perspective, this weakness in the wrong time would led to his death something that won't happen in the films so what's the point then???

 

[Whiskey Tango]

I think there are some people who are very angry that webshooters are by a wide margin the more popular choice and are having difficulty accepting it.

 

[Johnny-Oh]

Peter Parker is committed to using his gifts for helping people, not for getting rich.

Think of the lesson from his Uncle Ben's death.

Think of how Jonas Salk donated the polio vaccine to help the world when he could've used it to make millions.

Its not just about getting rich but when money problems are such a prominent problem in his life, it seems to conventient for him not to do anything when he actually could.

 

[LizardMan07]

Its not just about getting rich but when money problems are such a prominent problem in his life, it seems to conventient for him not to do anything when he actually could.

And what could he actually do? You're leaving that bit out

 

[Johnny-Oh]

Well, evidently it's not based on 50 years of comics

Just looking at bolded, I've noticed you do this a lot to a lot of different people, you loosely say something is wrong without providing a really solid reason or at times no reason at all, and then you put your own statement as fact without providing any examples or even an explanation as to why you think that.

You seem to have reasoning that conforms to your worldview, not a worldview that is informed by your reasoning.

You just proved my point right, you like webshooters because its from the comics. The general public didn't have a problem with organic webs in the Raimi trilogy so why am I to assume they will have a problem with them again?

Im not passing my opinion as fact but you seem bothered as if it was actually a fact and just because you don't agree with me doesn't mean Im wrong.

 

[Johnny-Oh]

And what could he actually do? You're leaving that bit out

I don't need to explain the specifics, Im not a Peter level genius after all

 

[The Slang]

He would get the web shooters wherever is good for him to have them, that's where suspension of disbelief comes in. You're pretty much questioning the entire idea of Peter getting powers from a Spider.

I have no idea what you mean by the bolded part. The web shooters are not merely being moved to a more convenient location out of sheer coincidence, they are completely redesigning themselves as though they have a conscious will of their own. Spiders don't shoot webs. Spiders don't shoot completed nets out of their abdomens. Spiders don't have 'webshooters' they have spinnerets, and they only have them in one place. The organic web shooters are as similar to spinnerets as a fly's wings are to a helicopter.

Its not the same, people's criticisms against the organic webs are based entirely on the science behind its origin, that's why its so pointless to question them with all the other crazy scientific elements in the lore.

The mechanical webs are different, not only is it hard to believe that he would be able to create them(getting the resources for them) but it puts him on a big disadvantage that the script would only use when its conventient. If we were looking this from the most realistic perspective, this weakness in the wrong time would led to his death something that won't happen in the films so what's the point then???

You're clearly biased. You find mechanical webshooters implausible, yet you take issue with those who find organic webshooters implausible. The scientific criticisms against organics are valid enough, but the point is that there's no need to switch from mechanical in the first place.

 

[Johnny-Oh]

You're clearly biased. You find mechanical webshooters implausible, yet you take issue with those who find organic webshooters implausible. The scientific criticisms against organics are valid enough, but the point is that there's no need to switch from mechanical in the first place.

No Im not, some reading comprehension skills are desperately needed here. What I've debated all along is that if the movies won't adress all the issues that come with creating the web shooters then they shouldn't do them at all. The TASM film made this mistake, doing web shooters 'cause fans wanted them but not integrating them in a way it was natural, they were just sort of there and only brought up when it was convenient to the script(Electro conveniently destroying only one of his shooters). I made myself pretty clear, if even now you can't understand what Im saying then I guess I wasted my time in this thread.

 

[LizardMan07]

Jonny don't act as if everyones crazy, given you've admitted yourself you won't actually elaborate on a point

 

[The Slang]

No Im not, some reading comprehension skills are desperately needed here. What I've debated all along is that if the movies won't adress all the issues that come with creating the web shooters then they shouldn't do them at all. The TASM film made this mistake, doing web shooters 'cause fans wanted them but not integrating them in a way it was natural, they were just sort of there and only brought up when it was convenient to the script(Electro conveniently destroying only one of his shooters). I made myself pretty clear, if even now you can't understand what Im saying then I guess I wasted my time in this thread.

I actually agree with you to an extent that their wasn't enough focus on the webshooter and the 'issues' that come with making them, but that's no reason to switch to organics. Organics are just a way to simplify the narrative without adding anything, yet they do take away from the character. I could just as easily say if the movies won't address all the issues that come with organic webshooters then they shouldn't do them at all. He would still be faced with a limited supply of webbing, and Raimi even had him lose his web shooting ability at times, yet what about the issue of Parker having to constantly hide his freakish arachnid forearms from everyone around him?

I elaborated on this in another board, but personally I would have made the web shooters a much larger and more important part of the origin story. I proposed a more complicated and detailed explanation for their creation which involved Parker engineering a transgenic bacteria to generate webbing for him. This way, producing the web would only be as expensive as cultivating colonies of bacteria and storing them in your closet.