Apocalypse Oscar Isaac IS Apocalypse - Part 1

[CyclopsWasRight]

Well Apocalypse is claiming that he was Ra and Yahweh and Krishna. Whose to say he's telling the truth? he could just be appropriating them to make himself seem more important that he is.

All that certain is he's lived through various eras

 

[BMM]

This poster is great.

 

[Herolee10]

Nothing new really. Seen Prometheus? ..or read Preacher?

Unfortunately, I haven't see any of those films. Not because I didn't want to, but just never had a chance to. I don't even know what those films are about.lol

I'm not trying to speak for others of course, it just feels offensive for me personally since I'm Christian and fictional film or not, it just kind of offends me to see a film that's trying to say that a character like Apocalypse was the founder of some of these religions.

For the record, I'm not trying to start a religious debate; nor do I claim to some self-righteous christian. It's just the way that they're presenting Apocalypse's backstory that I don't appreciate seeing/hearing.

Well Apocalypse is claiming that he was Ra and Yahweh and Krishna. Whose to say he's telling the truth? he could just be appropriating them to make himself seem more important that he is.

All that certain is he's lived through various eras

I did think about that but then the scene with Moira came with her explanations on the topic.

 

[The Guard]

"Apocalypse looks like a short wimp".

Sure he does.

Love it.

Note perfect for this franchise.

Cue backpeddling.

 

[Loki882]

Nothing new really. Seen Prometheus? ..or read Preacher?

It's a fictional movie about fictional characters with superpowers who dress up in weird outfits to fight evil. If I were a religious person, I seriously doubt that I'd get offended by this, it's a freaking superhero film.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

I've warmed upto his voice after watching the trailer a few more times.

He's soft spoken but it kinda matches his speech. He's offering Mutants, his children a better world (in his view) and trying to sell himself as a messiah. Having a welcoming kindof voice is key in indoctrinating people to become followers i imagine

 

[Marvolo]

Unfortunately, I haven't see any of those films. Not because I didn't want to, but just never had a chance to. I don't even know what those films are about.lol

I'm not trying to speak for others of course, it just feels offensive for me personally since I'm Christian and fictional film or not, it just kind of offends me to see a film that's trying to say that a character like Apocalypse was the founder of some of these religions.

For the record, I'm not trying to start a religious debate; nor do I claim to some self-righteous christian. It's just the way that they're presenting Apocalypse's backstory that I don't appreciate seeing/hearing.



I did think about that but then the scene with Moira came with her explanations on the topic.

The film doesn't say he was the founder of any of those religions. It says that those religions were inspired by him and his actions. For instance he said he has been called Yahweh. So that indicates thousands of years ago he was in the ancient middle east. Got up to some stuff and the ancient hebrews thought he was a god, called him Yahweh and worshipped him and out of that was born judaism.

And why care? Its fiction. You dont seriously believe the Christian god exists in every single fictional universe do you? In this fictional universe he doesnt. Apocalypse does and he inspired all sorts of myths and religions over thousands of years.

Even in my most christian days I never understood this sort of offense. Its fiction. In fiction god exists or he or she doesnt. In fiction gods can die. In fiction gods can be evil. It doesnt matter because it isnt real and has absolutely zero impact on you and your religion and beliefs.

 

[ciscostudent561]

The film doesn't say he was the founder of any of those religions. It says that those religions were inspired by him and his actions. For instance he said he has been called Yahweh. So that indicates thousands of years ago he was in the ancient middle east. Got up to some stuff and the ancient hebrews thought he was a god, called him Yahweh and worshipped him and out of that was born judaism.

And why care? Its fiction. You dont seriously believe the Christian god exists in every single fictional universe do you? In this fictional universe he doesnt. Apocalypse does and he inspired all sorts of myths and religions over thousands of years.

Even in my most christian days I never understood this sort of offense. Its fiction. In fiction god exists or he or she doesnt. In fiction gods can die. In fiction gods can be evil. It doesnt matter because it isnt real and has absolutely zero impact on you and your religion and beliefs.

good argument but Apocalypse hasn't inspired these religions. You're misapplying the context. He said he was called those things- called... in the past, basically meaning, the religions were already formed- then that means he was the incarnation of the deities they were already serving? Make sense. Got it.

 

[Guard82]

I think Apocalypse looks and sounds excellent, and I'm sure Isaac will be thrilling in the role. Singer and the writers seem to have put a lot of effort into making Apocalypse an exciting, interesting villain, which I'm very glad about.

I love this line: "Everything they've built will fall! And from the ashes of their world, we'll build a better one." That's a great line because it perfectly encapsulates Apocalypse's mentality. The movie seems to have a good command of his character in general.

 

[Guard82]

Well Apocalypse is claiming that he was Ra and Yahweh and Krishna. Whose to say he's telling the truth? he could just be appropriating them to make himself seem more important that he is.

All that certain is he's lived through various eras

I agree. As I understood from the trailer, Apocalypse was claiming that many civilizations had believed him to be their respective gods, rather than actually claiming to actually BE all of those gods. People may have well have believed him to be their gods, and Apocalypse probably encouraged them to believe he was their god, but that doesn't mean he was the source of all their religions, just that people mistook him for their deities and he allowed them to do so.

This actually fits perfectly with Apocalypse's history in the comic books -- he was worshipped as a god by many cultures all over the world for centuries. This is a good representation of that history for the film adaptation.

 

[Guard82]

It's a fictional movie about fictional characters with superpowers who dress up in weird outfits to fight evil. If I were a religious person, I seriously doubt that I'd get offended by this, it's a freaking superhero film.

Exactly. I'm a practicing Catholic, and none of this offends me at all. This movie is supposed to be an exciting superhero adventure for everyone to enjoy, and that's how we should treat it.

 

[psylockolussus]

It's been 10 years and it's the same rug from DOFP Xavier??

I don't see why they have to change it, when it still looks okay 10 years later.

 

[Mrs Vimes]

The poster does look great. Hamlet anyone?

The religion angle is interesting, but I wonder if it will actually get explored in any deep way in the movie, other than making references to the Bible etc.

I think what throws me off with the voice is that it sounds like it belongs to a charmer/manipulator type of character, whereas Apocalypse himself looks more like a brutish, intimidating (or at least meant to be intimidating) type of character. I might get used to it, but at the moment there's kind of dissonance about it.

 

[Guard82]

The poster does look great. Hamlet anyone?

The religion angle is interesting, but I wonder if it will actually get explored in any deep way in the movie, other than making references to the Bible etc.

I think what throws me off with the voice is that it sounds like it belongs to a charmer/manipulator type of character, whereas Apocalypse himself looks more like a brutish, intimidating (or at least meant to be intimidating) type of character. I might get used to it, but at the moment there's kind of dissonance about it.

Actually, this is very consistent with Apocalypse's characterization in the source material. Apocalypse has always been portrayed as a being who possesses tremendous physical and intellectual power, in equal measure. He's always shown to be a master manipulator, and sometimes he doesn't even need to use his physical strength because his manipulative and intellectual skills are so potent. Basically, Apocalypse has always been shown to be a villain who combines cunning manipulation with physical brutality. He's what TV Tropes would call a "genius bruiser".

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

"Apocalypse looks like a short wimp".

Sure he does.

Love it.

Note perfect for this franchise.

Cue backpeddling.

 

[Herolee10]

The film doesn't say he was the founder of any of those religions. It says that those religions were inspired by him and his actions. For instance he said he has been called Yahweh. So that indicates thousands of years ago he was in the ancient middle east. Got up to some stuff and the ancient hebrews thought he was a god, called him Yahweh and worshipped him and out of that was born judaism.

And why care? Its fiction. You dont seriously believe the Christian god exists in every single fictional universe do you? In this fictional universe he doesnt. Apocalypse does and he inspired all sorts of myths and religions over thousands of years.

Even in my most christian days I never understood this sort of offense. Its fiction. In fiction god exists or he or she doesnt. In fiction gods can die. In fiction gods can be evil. It doesnt matter because it isnt real and has absolutely zero impact on you and your religion and beliefs.

Inspiring people to create religions off of you is pretty much the same thing as saying that you are the founder of those said religions.

And I'm not trying to step on anyone's toes really about this issue. I don't know why people seem to be so offended by me having a issue with Apocalypse possibly being portrayed as the God of Israel in this fictional universe.

I wish people here would stop misunderstanding my posts and make me out to be the crazy one just because I state my own opinions here.

 

[Herolee10]

Actually, this is very consistent with Apocalypse's characterization in the source material. Apocalypse has always been portrayed as a being who possesses tremendous physical and intellectual power, in equal measure. He's always shown to be a master manipulator, and sometimes he doesn't even need to use his physical strength because his manipulative and intellectual skills are so potent. Basically, Apocalypse has always been shown to be a villain who combines cunning manipulation with physical brutality. He's what TV Tropes would call a "genius bruiser".

I really hope that this is the route that they go with in this film.

 

[Baneis8feettall]

So many things are offensive if you are deeply religious. Anything contains evolution can be considired offensive to Abrahamic religions.

In a way X-Men has been always offensive to religion if you take it that way.

 

[Tehmeh]

I'm fine with Isaac and the way his character looks. Isaac is a great actor.

His lines were horrible. They were so bad I'm still thinking about it. When he speaks about his names, when he raises his arms and shouts about building a new world, all of it was straight from some failed cartoon project, where the writers had no talent and/or interest to even make an effort. There's better villain talk in Michael Bay movies.

 

[The Guard]

Getting offended by your personal assumptions over the meaning of a line out of context in a piece of fiction is a bit much.

They're pretty obviously setting up Apocalypse as a "false god". He's not actually going to be one. He's a mutant. They say as much in the trailer. He was born as a mutant, and mistaken for a deity. He's going to have "godlike powers". He's going to inspire followers who think he's godlike. Like in the comics.

In the trailer, he says he was called those things. Doesn't mean that he was. He could just be saying it.

Doesn't mean that he is. He could just think he is.

 

[The Guard]

Re: Complaints about his voice. I wonder, if he grows outside the Astral Plane, if his voice changes as well. That could be a nice nod to his "animated voice" that everyone associates with the character, and serve to juxtapose his more benevolent "mask" with the true threat he is.

 

[jaymes_e06]

People who were gripping about Apocalypse's look should feel bad about themselves right now.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

Re: Complaints about his voice. I wonder, if he grows outside the Astral Plane, if his voice changes as well. That could be a nice nod to his "animated voice" that everyone associates with the character, and serve to juxtapose his more benevolent "mask" with the true threat he is.

Singer said he didn't want stay puff size with him easily swatting away the goodies but he wanted to honour the size manipulation. I think it's only in the psychic battle that he gets to do it. It would be rather hard to believe Beast, Cyclops, Jean and Nightcraler taking down a huge Apocalypse who could step on them.

Would be manageable though if he grew to say 15 feet, but oh well.

 

[Consona]

People who were gripping about Apocalypse's look should feel bad about themselves right now.

Well, you can easily see that he looks different in the trailer and on the poster... But maybe they'll fix his color and features in post-pro.

 

[The Guard]

Singer said he didn't want stay puff size with him easily swatting away the goodies but he wanted to honour the size manipulation. I think it's only in the psychic battle that he gets to do it. It would be rather hard to believe Beast, Cyclops, Jean and Nightcraler taking down a huge Apocalypse who could step on them.

Would be manageable though if he grew to say 15 feet, but oh well.

Honestly, this is a pretty elegant solution to that issue.