Apocalypse Oscar Isaac IS Apocalypse - Part 2

[jaymes_e06]

No he's just feeling his power and it is making a physical manifestation.

And technically he did control the satellites just through Cerebros help of controlling the people.

 

[ApophènX]

Ok so he didn't take control of satellites then.

I guess taking control of Cerebro makes sense but they didn't exactly make things clear. We see Charles' eyes turning black too as if he is also being controlled. And then later Charles is repeating Apocalypse's message as if he is being compelled to do so. When Charles changes the last line I thought it was meant to show that he broke the mind control.

We can assume they are lots of different telepath or psychic powers. Charles in X3 did a transfer of body so he had a telepathic ability similar to Apocalypse. His power is more of a preacher, he has a real power of persuation. He just said he lack the one power to rule them all: getting inside their head.

And Apocalypse disapear like Charles did in X3, maybe he transfer is coucioucness to another form.

Maybe Apocalypse can feel the power of other mutant and connect with it, wich allowed him to enhance powers and take control of Cerebro through Charles.

 

[PunyGod]

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[jaymes_e06]

Yes there were... and again why are you trying to make it into such a huge issue? I never said one correlated with the other just that he took over technology including satellites.

 

[PunyGod]

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[Flint Marko]

How did Apocalypse control Charles and Cerebro to launch the missiles?

He states afterwards that being able to control a mind is something he never learned.

What did he say here exactly? Yeah in that scene he obviously takes control of people through Xavier through Cerebro (not even sure why Jaymes is trying to argue that) but how was he able to do that if he was never able to control minds?

 

[jaymes_e06]

I was talking about in the film he connects to satellites and technology when he touches the tv. You're taking things too literal... it was just an example my God!

Bottom line he did interact with tech that included satellites and radio waves. Maybe you should watch the movie again as it is obvious he can control tech as that is why he devised his entire plan of world domination by connecting to TV signals and deciding the human race were too reliant on weapons of mass destruction and wanted to strip them of such things.

Again... did you watch the movie?

 

[jaymes_e06]

What did he say here exactly? Yeah in that scene he obviously takes control of people through Xavier through Cerebro (not even sure why Jaymes is trying to argue that) but how was he able to do that if he was never able to control minds?

Xavier can and he is using Cerebro... it's not that complex. Why are people over complicating this?

Why are you even in this?

 

[Flint Marko]

Yes, and Apocalypse took over Xavier's mind. How was he able to do that if he's never been able to control minds before? I'm genuinely curious. Apocalypse's powers in this movie basically boil down to "whatever the script needs" and this might be the most blatant example yet.

 

[PunyGod]

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[ApophènX]

Yes, and Apocalypse took over Xavier's mind. How was he able to do that if he's never been able to control minds before? I'm genuinely curious. Apocalypse's powers in this movie basically boil down to "whatever the script needs" and this might be the most blatant example yet.

Apocalypse has persuation power and can enhance powers, so he is able to feel them and partly infuence them. He had also sope kind of telepathic ability since he can change bodies like Charles in X3. There is not one kind of telepath but many. He take control of Cerebro through Charles, as he will be able to counter attact in Charles headspace at the end.

But why would everything need to be explain in pain sight, Apocalypse come from the depth of times, his power are mysterious and cryptic!

 

[PunyGod]

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[ApophènX]

This technopathy stuff is interesting since Apocalypse want to destroy machines. He says mutant don't need them to amplify them powers he is here. It really gaves him a creator figure. He used himself some kind of technology for his pyramid but he seem to think mutant are the real technology, the real super-power. Whenever is methods are radical he has a nice goal in the end, he just try to give confidence in others. Him and his big e-god...

 

[PunyGod]

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[ApophènX]

I didn't know the character when i saw it and it felt pretty clear to me. He clearly'state he want to destroy what the false idols and god have built and create a better world. He wants a world where the strongest survive. But the most intersting for me was him wanting to reset civilization since Erik lived in nature and his daughter was in a primal kind of harmony with it. Apocalypse want to go back in time and he wants to be at the center of the earth.

Indeed this is the one rule of this movie, and partly a reason he got misunderstood.

The introduction scene was a link with Logan and Phoenix. In X2 and DoFP they both end drown. Apocalypse in this scene take the power to heal, so Logan's power and end burried.
. It was nice because the movie is about healing. And the girl protected him and through all the movie it is often girl who help men, even Charles crushed by Apoclypse implore Jean for help. Maybe people are still not ready for that.

 

[kasjan]

Some people are 15 or less here?

 

[Paradox1]

I think they needed more backstory for Apocalypse. I am usually not a fan of spoonfeeding info but this is one case where it would have been a benefit.

For people not familiar with the character it wasn't clear why he wanted to destroy the world. Yes we get some disparate lines about him wiping away civilizations and survival of the strongest but most people don't pay attention of dialogue. The number one rule of movies is show don't tell.

They needed a prologue that shows Apocalypse destroying and rebuilding an ancient civilization. This would show us who he is and establish him as a clear threat. Instead we get a scene of him as a weak old man who has to be protected by his underlings.

I disagree with this because Apocalypse is like a force of nature as a villain. He is more like the great white in Jaws, Jason in Friday the 13th, or Freddy in a Nightmare on Elm Street. I'm curious how Marvel will handle Thanos, or DC Darksied because they are the same kinda villain.

 

[PunyGod]

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[jaymes_e06]

Wait what? When did anyone talk about that scene? Now you are just changing your story.

You first said Apocalypse never took control of Charles or Cerebro. Then you said the opposite. And now you are bringing up an unrelated scene.

You are a person who is wrong on the internet. Of course we can't allow this to stand.


Yes I did which is why its curious why you are bringing up a scene that has nothing to do with what we are talking about.

If Apocalypse can launch missiles by controlling satellites then he wouldn't need Charles and Cerebro. The movie clearly shows him being excited by the discovery of Cerebro and then shows him taking control of Cerebro (and possibly Charles) to make soldiers launch missiles. If he didn't need Cerebro then he could have done this at any time.

I wasn't "wrong" but I did missread your first post so I went back to reread. For that I apologize I thought you said how did Apoc control Charles period. I was talking generally when i said satellites because that was the first scene he displayed his powers of techno control and dominion and the first that came into my head.

That is why I also put "/technology" as I thought you just didn't understand his powers at all.

How do you explain him controlling tv waves and within the first time he displays this power in that scene the satellites switching position? It is very much implied he can do this... my guess is he wasn't sure until he took over Cerebro that he wanted to launch the missiles as before that he wasn't connected to every single human life to judge them. Also he may have needed an actual human for certain parts of the launch. But that's just speculation.

 

[PunyGod]

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[henzINNIT]

This thread has become a bit embarrassing hasn't it?

Cerebo is a device that can reach into people's minds and needs a telepath to power it. Apocalypse effectively hacked into it while Charles was using it. I guess the black eyes represented those connected to Cerebro while it was corrupted. Charles himself wasn't controlled by Apocalypse at any point, hence why he asked Havok to destroy the machine so Apocalypse couldn't use it to do further damage.

Charles also wasn't controlled by Apocalypse when he was forced to do that speech. That was good ol' fashioned intimidation. Charles complied so he could use the power boost to reach out to Jean for help. Once he was done, Charles flipped the script and gave Apocalypse the proverbial finger.

One question I had was if Apocalypse wants to destroy all of humanity's buildings as he says why not just use the nukes for that? Well for one it would irradiate the earth to the point where even the strongest couldn't survive. But also he probably wants his horseman (mostly Magneto) to destroy the world as this fits in with the narrative of "The Apocalypse" which is important for him to maintain.

This is something I've seen a few times that really doesn't bother me. Apocalypse has a massive god complex and believes that the most powerful should survive. He despises the idea of weapons as he sees them as a tool that the weak can use to level the playing field. He could turn them around on their wielders, but it would be counter to his values.

Speaking of has anybody speculated on which horsemen correspond to Death, Famine, War, Pestilence?

Singer said he based the horsemen on the four pillars of a cult: Military (Archangel), Politics (Magneto), Sex (Psylocke) and Youth (Storm). Sounds better in theory tbh, I didn't get a whole lot of that out of the film (other than Psylocke being hot).

 

[ApophènX]

Singer said he based the horsemen on the four pillars of a cult: Military (Archangel), Politics (Magneto), Sex (Psylocke) and Youth (Storm). Sounds better in theory tbh, I didn't get a whole lot of that out of the film (other than Psylocke being hot).

Interesting, for the War component it is one of the goal of the movie, Charles will have to militarize himself with the X-Men. We can also link the other to some beavior he had. He is a preacher to the young in his institute. He has political views of course and want to get sexy with Moira hum hum.

Also interesting the order and repartition beetwen gender, first Youth and Sex, then Military and Politics, man and woman. Whereas in the people took to Alkali Lake, also at the number of four it is more the opposite. Moira would be politics, Mystique Or Beast can both be Sex Or Military and Quicksilver is the youth.

Quicksilver and Storm as youth figure are both looking for a mother/father figure. And at the end it is Storm who ask him if he want to tell his father and they both agree on staying "around for a while".

The link with Beast and Mystique, who both are for fighting and militarising is super interesting if linked with sex, since they had a realtion in DoFP and are both animalistic figure, representig instinct. Also interesting since it is when woman return that they upload to the next level and decide to portect themselves t:

 

[kasjan]

Yes, and Apocalypse took over Xavier's mind. How was he able to do that if he's never been able to control minds before? I'm genuinely curious. Apocalypse's powers in this movie basically boil down to "whatever the script needs" and this might be the most blatant example yet.

There was never said he can't do that.
He iisn't telepath like Xavier, but it's Xavier who connected with his mind, and then he took control of Xavier.
The same in final battle, it's Xavier who connected with Apo's mind, then we habe battle between them.
It's not that Apocalypse can connect with anybody's mind, that's why he wants Xavier's power.

 

[jaymes_e06]

This thread has become a bit embarrassing hasn't it?

Cerebo is a device that can reach into people's minds and needs a telepath to power it. Apocalypse effectively hacked into it while Charles was using it. I guess the black eyes represented those connected to Cerebro while it was corrupted. Charles himself wasn't controlled by Apocalypse at any point, hence why he asked Havok to destroy the machine so Apocalypse couldn't use it to do further damage.

Charles also wasn't controlled by Apocalypse when he was forced to do that speech. That was good ol' fashioned intimidation. Charles complied so he could use the power boost to reach out to Jean for help. Once he was done, Charles flipped the script and gave Apocalypse the proverbial finger.



This is something I've seen a few times that really doesn't bother me. Apocalypse has a massive god complex and believes that the most powerful should survive. He despises the idea of weapons as he sees them as a tool that the weak can use to level the playing field. He could turn them around on their wielders, but it would be counter to his values.




Singer said he based the horsemen on the four pillars of a cult: Military (Archangel), Politics (Magneto), Sex (Psylocke) and Youth (Storm). Sounds better in theory tbh, I didn't get a whole lot of that out of the film (other than Psylocke being hot).

This! Thank you for reiterating everything I was trying to say.

 

[PunyGod]

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