Paul Dano is Edward Nashton aka "The Riddler"

[BigBatTheory]

I haven't read Dark Knight Dark City, but what you describe there is a bit much for me, tbh.

My favorite versions of The Riddler are the weaselly informant in Leob/Sale's universe and Paul Dini's reformed PI Riddler. We're obviously not getting that though and I'm looking forward to Zodiac Killer Riddler.

This wasn't about your preference, just about what precedence there is in the source material for a Saw inspired Riddler. And there is PLENTY. Again, I could keep going

 

[Eddie Dean]

Whoa, calm down dude.

 

[Mindreaper21]

The worst I remember The Riddler doing in the comics is shoving a ping pong ball down a baby’s throat. As far as Saw traps are concerned, not all of them left victims a mangled bloody mess. There are 3 Saw traps I can see Riddler using. The water cube, the barb wire maze and the carousel traps.

Even Riddler’s suffocation trap from his first comic is very “Saw-like”. A version of that would be amazing to see on film.

 

[Captain Tired]

I'm gonna need to see more of the evidence.

 

[BigBatTheory]

Whoa, calm down dude.

Sorry. Not a personal attack. I don't understand the humor on this forum most of the time so idk if you are being sarcastic. I just was pointing out that you went from making a statement about comic accuracy, but your defense pivoted to an opinion that those versions of Riddler aren't your preference. But that you are also excited for a version of Riddler that's fits that darker tone? I'm just confused on your feelings. Zodiac Killer Riddler good, Jigsaw Killer Riddler bad? Is that the gist?

 

[Eddie Dean]

It's all good my man. It really depends on how it's done in the movie. Jigsaw Riddler is one of those suggestions that's been around since the Begins days that I was never that interested in. I put it in the same area of pedo Mad Hatter. Just not something I need in my Batman movie, but I trust Reeves to handle it in a elegant way.

From the examples you posted, crashing an elevator seems more in the realm of normal supervillainy, as opposed to torture porn Jigsaw stuff.

 

[Mindreaper21]

A full Zodiac Killer Riddler would be far more violent than Jigsaw Riddler, because Zodiac excessively stabbed some of his female victims and sliced their throats to near decapitation.

 

[BigBatTheory]

The worst I remember The Riddler doing in the comics is shoving a ping pong ball down a baby’s throat. As far as Saw traps are concerned, not all of them left victims a mangled bloody mess. There are 3 Saw traps I can see Riddler using. The water cube, the barb wire maze and the carousel traps.

Even Riddler’s suffocation trap from his first comic is very “Saw-like”. A version of that would be amazing to see on film.

Yeah in the comics Batman usually saves the day before they get gutted, but not always. Like in Earth One Pt 2 for example. A lot of innocent people get killed in horrific ways. Dano's Riddler is seemingly attacking criminals (corrupt officials), which imo does make him less evil than Zodiac, John Doe, Jigsaw, or even many comic iterations of Riddler who killed innocents, or those who they saw as "sinners".

 

[Eddie Dean]

A full Zodiac Killer Riddler would be far more violent than Jigsaw Riddler, because Zodiac excessively stabbed some of his female victims and sliced their throats to near decapitation.

This isn't true, btw. The only confirmed Zodiac killing that involved stabbing was the Lake Berryessa attacks, where Cecelia Ann Shepard was stabbed in the front and the back, never in throat.

You might be talking about Cheri Jo Bates, but that was probably not committed by Zodiac.

 

[Mindreaper21]

Yeah in the comics Batman usually saves the day before they get gutted, but not always. Like in Earth One Pt 2 for example. A lot of innocent people get killed in horrific ways. Dano's Riddler is seemingly attacking criminals (corrupt officials), which imo does make him less evil than Zodiac, John Doe, Jigsaw, or even many comic iterations of Riddler who killed innocents, or those who they saw as "sinners".

I don’t necessarily thinks that it makes Riddler less evil. It makes him an extremist. Though, who’s to say that Riddler won’t eventually take innocent lives? He did strap a bomb to the DA’s neck that could have taken out everyone in the room.

 

[Eddie Dean]

I refuse to pass moral judgement on The Riddler until we know the full extent of his crimes.

 

[BigBatTheory]

I don’t necessarily thinks that it makes Riddler less evil. It makes him an extremist. Though, who’s to say that Riddler won’t eventually take innocent lives? He did strap a bomb to the DA’s neck that could have taken out everyone in the room.

It makes him less evil in my book but that's very subjective and not really important. Of course his plan at the funeral could go wrong and result in causalities... I believe something like this will happen in a later scene. But his plan was definitely not to blow up all of those people, considering the bomb doesn't go off right away as the bomb isn't detonated until some interaction with Batman after the police have been able to clear everyone and send in a bomb squad robot. He definitely has a motive separate from killing tons of people, and he at least wants people to believe it is political in nature.

 

[Mindreaper21]

This isn't true, btw. The only confirmed Zodiac killing that involved stabbing was the Lake Berryessa attacks, where Cecelia Ann Shepard was stabbed in the front and the back, never in throat.

You might be talking about Cheri Jo Bates, but that was probably not committed by Zodiac.

Well, we can’t say what’s true or not actually. There’s also another victim that is unconfirmed with the same injuries as Cheri Jo Bates. The Zodiac is still very much a mystery, but the point was really about how savage his kills were.

 

[BigBatTheory]

Well, we can’t say what’s true or not actually. There’s also another victim that is unconfirmed with the same injuries as Cheri Jo Bates. The Zodiac is still very much a mystery, but the point was really about how savage his kills were.

I wonder how savage the death of Pete Savage could be...

 

[Eddie Dean]

If he dies...

 

[SwordOfMorning]

For a hot second I got my names mixed up and was confused as to why you were so certain Fred Savage was on his way to a violent end.

 

[Gothamsknight]

Yeah in the comics Batman usually saves the day before they get gutted, but not always. Like in Earth One Pt 2 for example. A lot of innocent people get killed in horrific ways. Dano's Riddler is seemingly attacking criminals (corrupt officials), which imo does make him less evil than Zodiac, John Doe, Jigsaw, or even many comic iterations of Riddler who killed innocents, or those who they saw as "sinners".

I gotta agree. Btw Earth Ones version of the Riddler is one of my favorites. On par or just below zero year

 

[Mindreaper21]

I would like to think that Pete Savage dies in an actual trap and that someone else becomes the Commissioner.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

Earth One Riddler is super boring to me. One of the few Earth One reinventions I didn’t care for (along with Batman himself).

Earth One basically sucks but it has some great character ideas.

 

[Eddie Dean]

Geoff Johns sucks at writing Batman?

whaaaaaa

 

[BigBatTheory]

Earth One Riddler is super boring to me. One of the few Earth One reinventions I didn’t care for (along with Batman himself).

Earth One basically sucks but it has some great character ideas.

Yeah Earth One is a solid outing imo but it's very plain. Which seems like its intent, for better or worse. It's a pretty bland attempt at a more grounded Batman, where I'd say Reeves is doing a much more flavorful version of realistic reinventions of these characters. Earth One reads as if someone's knowledge of the characters they got merely from a wiki description of them, and decided to do their own version of that. not very inspired. I still think it's a good read. Really not excited for the Two-Face focused part 3 though...

 

[shauner111]

I think we’ll get a little bit of Jigsaw and Zodiac but I’d like to think Dano’s Riddler will be a lot closer to Dexter Morgan.

 

[Eddie Dean]

I hope he doesn’t become a lumberjack.

 

[shauner111]

Dano too young for beard.

 

[Eddie Dean]