People Say Venom Can't Have His Own Film

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I'm here to prove you wrong. With some common thinking, a story can be built. Here's evidence (it's also my brainchild/idea. If Marvel steals this idea, great! :D).

There can be good stories for the "Venom" spin-off. They'd have to be 'made-up', but they'd work.

Venom Film Idea (Sectioned Into Subplots)
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Note: Be sure to cast Topher Grace as Eddie Brock, and Bryce Dallas Howard as Gwen Stacy. Also, there should be an opening credits sequence (such as the sequences in Spider-Man, Spider-Man 2, and Spider-Man 3).

Venom Second Origin Plot

I was thinking... right now, Eddie's struggling with the memories of Venom/the symbiote. We could use that piece as a bit of the origin story. During the explosion, the symbiote didn't bond to him. A small portion of it did, however. This small piece was enough to cover his body, but the force of the bomb threw his body off of the building. His body landed on the ground, breaking several of his bones. He then lost conscience.


The aftereffects of the Goblin bomb, however, slowly began to destroy that small bit of the symbiote. He was found by someone on the street, and taken to the hospital.


With the newer comics, he's dying, he needs help, he's lost, and he lusts for the suit. He basically needs it to survive. He'd be dying because his body needs the symbiote.

Sort of like an addiction. It's like a drug, a poison, a venom, and it will destroy him until he learns to control it, and take charge. His entire life has been a dump because he has been unable to take control of his life. Without the symbiote, though, he'd wither away. It gives him strength. Spider-Man had his superhuman defenses, which prevented him from being affected by the addiction, but the misguided Eddie has no defenses. Which is what I was going on for this idea.


He wakes up in the hospital, has no idea what was going on, and can't remember anything that has happened. The last thing he remembers was being in the church, and being attacked. He figures he was taken to the hospital because of that. Knocked out in the church, someone took him to the hospital.

When he speaks to the doctor, he's told he was found unconscious on the street. During his stay in the hospital, he hears little echoes, and begins to fear for his life. He then recollects himself, and dismisses it as trauma.


He begins to remember feeling powerful. He once had a sense of rage, and an overwhelming feeling of strength. Once he is out of the hospital, he goes back to his old life, but realizes his parents were killed (this was one of the reasons he broke down initially), and no one will accept his photos. When he goes to Gwen, however, she goes to him. She's lost (her friendship with Peter has vanished), and goes to him for comfort. Their relationship begins to deepen.


All the while, he's beginning to feel like he's missing something. As his rage goes up, his body begins to lose its strength. As he uncovers the reason he will not be hired, he finds the issue of the Daily Bugle in which he is fired.


Memories of the pain and anger he felt during this time begin to drown out his mind, and he can't concentrate on anything other than this feeling. Although he loves Gwen, the feeling of angst, addiction, and suffering are drawing him away from her, and closer to madness. He realizes the feeling of dominating power had come from his appearance as a clone of Spider-Man.


At first, he wants to continue living a life with Gwen, and he decides to try to replicate the feeling of power by creating a Symbiote Spider-Man costume. He decides to go after his father's killer. He feels he had not lived up to the expectations of anyone, and had never achieved that goal before his parents' deaths. He had never been anyone, a passive waste of life. This enrages him.



Going on the wrong information, he dons the cheap Symbiote Spidey costume, carries a knife, and kills an innocent man who tried to retaliate against his aggression. Once he realizes this, he breaks down, and begins to fear for what he is becoming. He wants to be a good person, but knows he has lost his merits. His pain and suffering are growing even more. He still doesn't feel the satisfaction he wanted, and he begins to slowly wither away. This is when he begins to recall the symbiote.


He then jumps back to find a strange figure approaching him, taunting him about power, strength, being more than a nobody. When Eddie questions who he is, the figure tells him they are both one and the same.


His vulnerability, and weaknesses allow him to be influenced by the remnants of his Venom self. His lust for power and dominance grows, and he begins to recall the memories he received from Peter Parker. He recalls a portion of the symbiote being in Doctor Connor's lab.

He realizes it was Peter who took his life away, but also he who passed the symbiote to him. With Gwen on one side of his view, and the warmth of the symbiote on the other, he begins to go insane. He's trying his hardest to stay with Gwen, but the feeling of completion he had with the symbiote is pulling him away from her. He has to make a choice, but he ultimately loses sight of everything, and chooses the 'drug' over the girl. As he approaches the remnants of the symbiote (in Doctor Connor's lab), he witnesses a masked man trying to rob a bank.


His lust for the symbiote's energy begins to sway him to ignore it, but his wish for dominance tells him otherwise. He ignores the man, but is caught in the middle of it when the man kills an innocent girl. Knowing he can't do anything until he has true power, he runs. The thoughts of innocent people dying rattle his mind with sympathy, anger, and confusion.


He breaks into Doctor Connor's lab, viciously looking for the symbiote. In a desperate attempt to keep himself from being lost, and stop his insanity from worsening, he holds the doctor at knife point. When he retaliates, the weak Eddie attacks the doctor, and tells him to bring the symbiote. When the doctor tries to warn him about it, Eddie, lost in his own mayhem, simply tells him that's the only thing keeping him alive, the only thing he wants, the only thing he needs.


He then proceeds to bond with the small amount of symbiote (much less than what he had before). The other side of Eddie tells him he's succeeded, but the feeling doesn't stop his insanity. In fact, it begins to confuse him even further. He escapes from the doctor's lab, distraught with all of the symbiote's twisted whispers, and goes on a rampage, swinging through the dead of night, looking for something to release his rage. He spots a mugger trying to kill another man (in an alley), and confronts him.


Venom lands, and the mugger holds a gun to him. The mugger panics, fearful of Venom. Venom lashes out at the mugger, killing him. He then turns to the victim, and nearly goes after him as well. The victim runs, frightened of the beast. Venom holds back, and retracts his mask. He looks at himself, and has mixed emotions about what he had just done.


Eddie picks himself up, and realizes the suit isn't making him feel any different about himself. The symbiote is blinding him with madness, just as he's been blinding himself throughout his life. If he doesn't take control of his life, nothing will have changed, and he'll still be no one. He's never been able to take charge, he's been weak and afraid, and vows to make something of himself while he still has a chance.


He begins to doubt the symbiote, but succumbs to it for the sake of survival. He remembers Gwen, how she needs him, how she made him smile, and why he has merits. If he can not control himself, he could endanger everyone he loves. He must take control of the monster within rather than allow it to control him. He reluctantly embraces the suit, knowing if he must satisfy the symbiote's hunger, he will prey on the right people, and not take the lives of who he believes to be innocent.


His heightened senses, and the darker emotions raging inside of him make the symbiote difficult to bear, and it begins to become his second half. Both of his identities clash. Eddie wants to pick up his life, and take charge. The symbiote wants to enhance his darker qualities. Both sides collide, making him seek out who he believes is evil, punish those who deserve to feel his pain. He vows to make something out of himself.

Shocker Subplot


Herman Schultz was a talented engineer who sacrificed his entire life to create a technology that could help ease the difficulties of mining. Although he had a not-so-pleasant life outside of his work (his work was always put before his family/friends), he found a passion with pursuing his ideas. He had spent years researching and studying in the field, and had planned to gain wealth, and fame with the help of Oscorp. Oscorp had funded his entire project, hoping his technology would bring back their fortunes. Herman had wished to become wealthy, retire, live a happy life, and try to repair his relationship with his wife, and family.


With Oscorp having nothing left, going bankrupt, they unexpectedly shut down the project, and cut Schultz' funding to preserve any money they had left. Schultz, having felt betrayed, was outraged. Later that week, Schultz attempted to persuade Oscorp to continue funding the project he had spent his blood, sweat, and tears working on. They, however, could do nothing, and dismissed him. Herman Schultz's hard work had gone nowhere. He felt as though his studies were a waste of time, and he had been manipulated by Oscorp into thinking his project even meant anything to anyone. He fell into a depression.



Schultz was left with nothing, he also lost the support from everyone around him. His wife abandoned him, his broken family shunned away from him, and he had no money to live on. Angered, and depressed, he used the technology to break into Oscorp. He killed everyone inside. Having killed so many people, and being on the run, he felt hopeless. With no money, no support, and no life, Schultz broke down. He couldn't do anything to restore his life, so he turned to crime.


He decided this was his only way to gain money, and make a living. That was the only way he could survive.
For the remainder of the film, Shocker pretty much only commits crime to survive. His first robbery attempt happens in Eddie's presence. Eddie, walking by the bank, happens to notice a cloaked man walking into the bank. He dismisses this as nothing, but when a man is thrown out the window (shattering the window), Eddie transforms into Venom, and confronts Shocker (a short battle commences, with Venom being defeated by Shocker's high-frequency air blasts). Shocker escapes.


Venom stalks Shocker, and finds him entering a hotel, and follows him. He transforms into Eddie, and follows Shocker into the building. Shocker has vanished, though (his costume has been removed. Herman is in the scene), and Eddie leaves. Shocker hesitates, and becomes enraged that Venom is stopping his attempts to make a living for himself. At first, he believes it is Spider-Man, but he realizes Venom is something completely different.


He tries to lure Venom by taking a small group of hostages, and when Venom arrives, they both confront each other in a fight similar to the epic Spidey 2 bank robbery battle. Hopefully, Tobey Maguire can make a cameo appearance for this.


Venom arrives, and Spidey happens to arrive as well, but Venom glances at him, and tells him this is his prey. Venom and Shocker proceed with their battle. At one point, Shocker is caught in Venom's clutch. Shocker looks at Venom, and, in panic, asks what he is. Venom retracts his mask (revealing Eddie), and smirks. "I'm a poison to you. I'll make you suffer. I am your... Venom". The symbiote begins to cover his mask once more, but Shocker blasts Venom backward, and knocks him toward a building. Venom flips, and lands on the wall.


In retreat, Shocker blasts a child off of the top of the building. Venom feels an urge to go after Shocker, but begins to realize the child has done nothing wrong to deserve a death like that.


He reluctantly rescues the child, taking his focus off of his prey. Shocker has vanished. Shocker, realizing Venom will only hunt him down until death, waits for Venom behind the fence of a hydroelectric plant. Shocker wants to get him out of the way without delay.


Venom, looking for his target/his kill, arrives, and confronts Shocker. Shocker asks him "when are you going to give me a break? This is my life, this is how I make a living". "Your life is worthless," Venom states as he charges toward Shocker. A full-on battle ensues. The battle rages on, ascending from the bottom of the plant to the top. The plant is literally being torn to shreds by Shocker's blasts, and Venom's vicious attacks.


As Venom dodges Shocker's blows, the Shocker nears him. Venom lunges toward Shocker, and knocks him off his feet. Shocker blasts a ray directly at Venom, and strikes him down. The battle then moves to the bridge of the hydroelectric plant, near the dam. Shocker releases a powerful blast of air, shattering every window within a radius of 50 meters.


At this point, Venom seems defeated. He attempts to web the Shocker, but the symbiote goo retreats as the vibrations close in on him. In an effort to save himself, Venom jumps down into the water. Shocker taunts Venom, then proceeds to blast the water. The currents he is creating, however, cause the ensuing splashes to block out his view of Venom.



Shocker, after waiting several moments, believes Venom has been killed. Venom, however, had climbed out of the water, and is hiding behind one of the dam's walls. As Shocker walks in that direction, Venom jumps, webs the dam, pulls himself up in a quick motion, and webs the Shocker toward himself. As Venom lands, Shocker is still in the air. He jumps once more, places his fist onto Shocker's torso, and pushes him downward to the ground, breaking several of Shocker's ribs.


Venom reveals his face to Shocker, takes his mask off, and stares into his eyes. They converse. Basically, Shocker is vulnerable. Venom looks at him, says nothing. Shocker takes his mask off Herman begins to talk about how Oscorp took his life away. And how he lost everything. His world was torn into chaos. In a desperate move, he began to steal money. Not because he was greedy, but because he had to live, because it was the only way he could survive.

His heart beats quickly as he begs to live. Venom begins to stare at him. He closes his eyes for a moment. At the same time, the voice inside his head is urging him to kill, that the man is a criminal, evil, someone who's lost his right to live. The symbiote covers Eddie's face, and he crushes Shocker. He then tosses him into the dam.


As he begins to swing away, he stops, and his eyes open wide. He realizes the man was similar to himself. Fighting to survive. Letting the darker side inside of him take over so he could live. Eddie steps backward, panicked. Shocker and he were in the same situation, and he just killed him. Eddie backs up, confused, disgruntled. The screen goes white for a second, and the figure appears once more, telling Eddie he can no longer be worried about these things if he wants to survive.


He came to it, not the other way around. He longed for it, and this is his burden to carry if he wants to live. He must accept it, or the pain will only hurt him further. "We are one and the same", basically. He closes his eyes, and looks at what he's become. He can't tell what's right from wrong anymore. He's lost his mind. Eddie (unmasked) looks at the sky as the daybreak arrives. The sky is still very dark and blue. He then looks at his hands.


In a voiceover kind of thing, Eddie talks about being unable to go back to his life. He can never risk hurting the ones he loves, and he must withstand his demons to prevent anyone else from their reach. He holds the symbiote to survive, to keep his mind intact, to prevent the monster from consuming someone else. It is his punishment, his retribution.


He walks along the dam, and the camera pulls back slowly to reveal the city. It then zooms out quickly to a sequence in which he swings through the bright city, the sky pitch-black.


At the end of the swing, he drops from the web, and the camera (still up in the air) shifts to look down at him. As he disappears from sight (dropping to the ground/landing on the street), the lens begins to blur as the lights from the street shine. The screen fades to black.


Eddie's Life Subplot

Inbetween his scenes as Venom, Eddie could be trying to live a regular life, trying to find a job (low salary), and, at times, struggling with the pain of the symbiote. If he were to take up the mantle as Venom full-time, how would he survive?

If he were to take up the mantle as Venom full-time, how would he survive? By the end, however, he gives up his life as Eddie Brock to prevent anyone else from being hurt. Also, Eddie (as Eddie) would probably run into Peter Parker, and they'd both have a quick glimpse at each other. Eddie would probably tell him he isn't looking for vengeance.
 
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See? A Venom movie is very possible. There's the possibility for a sequel, which the producers would like. There's character development, and personal conflicts, which is also good. The characters are interesting, which is great.


If Venom were to go after Spider-Man, the movie would be called Spider-Man 4. We want a Venom film, and this is how a Venom film would play out.
 
I don't like it...:down: It wouldn't work out anyway IMO.

I wouldn't mind/care for a Venom movie if they made one but It's not going to work out .

and plus I would rather see Spider-Man 4 being made then Sony wasting there time on Venom :down:
 
I don't like it...:down: It wouldn't work out anyway IMO.

I wouldn't mind/care for a Venom movie if they made one but It's not going to work out .

No? Why not? It has a moral, it has development, it has story. The only thing you can probably say is 'where's the comic issue for that! I've never seen that'. It also gives us a good villain (not Carnage!), and a vicious sense that he killed someone with the same problems he had. If the film stays within the Spider-Man continuity, has good casting, proper directing, and fantastic writing, it would work.
 
I came up with a similar idea, based on "The Last Temptation of Eddie Brock" and some anti-hero stories (sans the stupider aspects of stuff like "Lethal Protector").

I'll post it here or in fanfiction when I actually write it down.:oldrazz:
 
Don't give up your day job, Turtle-Man.
 
Don't give up your day job, Turtle-Man.

You know, for someone who preaches about being tolerant of other's opinions (e.g. "You have to accept the fact that some people didn't like Spider-Man 3", etc.), you're pretty intolerant towards the idea of a Venom movie. Almost obsessively so.
 
It doesn't help if you bash it, and don't give me any reasons. What's the problem?

This idea is to the Venom character as the Spidey films are to the Spider-Man character.
 
You know, for someone who preaches about being tolerant of other's opinions (e.g. "You have to accept the fact that some people didn't like Spider-Man 3", etc.), you're pretty intolerant towards the idea of a Venom movie. Almost obsessively so.
I'd have to agree and about how I don't think it'll happen, even though I don't mind if it does, as you can see in the upcoming Marvel slate it goes to up to 2009 which Venom is not included in that slate. And say 2010 they will most likely come out/work on Spider-Man 4 and Sony will be too busy with that movie and by say 2011 Venom isn't as much of a wanted character to be in a movie as say other Marvel heroes which are more known to the general public.

As I stated before I wouldn't mind that movie but it's not going to happen IMO.
 
I think a Venom movie can work. Topher Grace should be in cause if he's not, that would like suck.

Who would Venom fight is the question?
 
I think a Venom movie can work. Topher Grace should be in cause if he's not, that would like suck.

Who would Venom fight is the question?
Topher's not in it if it happens....


Check thread: "Topher Won't do Venom Movie"LOL
 
I think a Venom movie can work. Topher Grace should be in cause if he's not, that would like suck.

Who would Venom fight is the question?

Please read my topic post? I think Shocker would be the perfect candidate, and the story I have written makes them similar people.
 
I'd have to agree and about how I don't think it'll happen, even though I don't mind if it does, as you can see in the upcoming Marvel slate it goes to up to 2009 which Venom is not included in that slate. And say 2010 they will most likely come out/work on Spider-Man 4 and Sony will be too busy with that movie and by say 2011 Venom isn't as much of a wanted character to be in a movie as say other Marvel heroes which are more known to the general public.

As I stated before I wouldn't mind that movie but it's not going to happen IMO.

That list you mentioned dealt with Marvel's in-house film studio. Spider-Man is done by Sony, not Marvel.

And a Venom movie, if it did come out, would definitely come out 2009. The whole point is to capitalize on SM3, releasing the spin-off after SM4 would be too far off for it to work. And it's not like an '09 release is unlikely. Like I mentioned in another thread, SM2 was done in little over a year. No reason a Venom movie should take any longer.
 
Venom point blank, is a waste of time and money for a movie. Venom without Spider-Man is like a sandwhich without the meat.
 
if they're were a Venom solo movie to come out there would have to be scenes which Spidey should be in, because Brock is after Parker and they have to show for a part of the film he will stop at nothing to get Parker but after Carnage is born, mass murders are happening which Spidey has been injured in but at the disgust of innocents dying because of Carnage and Spidey can't even stop him Venom takes charge while at the same time fighting his inner demons and trying to get back with Gwen Stacy.
 
Venom point blank, is a waste of time and money for a movie. Venom without Spider-Man is like a sandwhich without the meat.

Basically.

The rabid cries for a venom movie earn a big LOL from me
 
I would love to see a Venom movie and it could work but only if theres a good enough story, a good director, as I said in the Arad confirms Venom spin-off thread. Shocker defenitley wouldn't work in a Venom spin-off Film because (A) He doesn't fit with the tone of the Venom character and being the Villian in a Venom spin-off Film and (B) He is a Spidey Villian. The only Villian I see being in a Venom spin-off Film is Carnage. A Venom spin-off Film could be a great Movie, but there has to be the right things for it to be great. I have faith in it. It can be a great movie.
 
The way to make an appropriate Venom movie would be to have venom first as an appropriate villain. SM3 didn't convey that to most people
 
People! Quit ignoring my original post. Read it. I can see some of you who babble on about things not working have not READ MY POST.
 
I would love to see a Venom movie and it could work but only if theres a good enough story, a good director, as I said in the Arad confirms Venom spin-off thread. Shocker defenitley wouldn't work in a Venom spin-off Film because (A) He doesn't fit with the tone of the Venom character and being the Villian in a Venom spin-off Film and (B) He is a Spidey Villian. The only Villian I see being in a Venom spin-off Film is Carnage. A Venom spin-off Film could be a great Movie, but there has to be the right things for it to be great. I have faith in it. It can be a great movie.

Read the story. I've written Shocker a bit differently (just as Doc Ock was written differently).
 
I read it and it is rough. Very rough quarry rough, now with that said it comes off as a money maker rather then a legit story and take out the sony says and eddie says and just make it bullet points so its easier to read
 
I read it and it is rough. Very rough quarry rough, now with that said it comes off as a money maker rather then a legit story and take out the sony says and eddie says and just make it bullet points so its easier to read

It's not a script. It's a messenger transcript. I'll revise it later.
 
Also I think the losing the memory thing is played out.SM3 was done wrong so it makes it really hard to do a Venom spin off without making those story elements thats are just written in that audiences tend to not like. An example in POTC AWE "I killed your pet" eliminating the kraken from the story with just one lame line
 
I would love to see a Venom movie and it could work but only if theres a good enough story, a good director, as I said in the Arad confirms Venom spin-off thread. Shocker defenitley wouldn't work in a Venom spin-off Film because (A) He doesn't fit with the tone of the Venom character and being the Villian in a Venom spin-off Film and (B) He is a Spidey Villian. The only Villian I see being in a Venom spin-off Film is Carnage. A Venom spin-off Film could be a great Movie, but there has to be the right things for it to be great. I have faith in it. It can be a great movie.

Whenever someone sees a story they dislike, they back away and say "I want Carnage". Carnage is a stupid creation. If we go into the 'offspring' idea, that would seem really stupid. "The goo had an offspring" makes for a stupid origin. If we're going to have villains, we need real villains, not cheesy ones. Spidey's not going to be fighting everyone. If someone can relate to Venom, it's Shocker. They both struggle to survive, and Shocker is tragically killed in the end by an ignorant Venom. I wanted to give Shocker more depth.

In the comics, he basically says 'you know what? I want to be evil'. That would make zero sense in a film. Therefore, I gave him a background, and made it canon to the Spidey movieverse. Harry's dead, Oscorp isn't doing too well, and the man who looked to his work to ease the pain of his life has lost everything. His ambitious efforts have left him with nothing.
 

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