Perversion of Liberty

[Emrys]

See when you start saying no burqas, for example, you're interfering with the free exercise of religion, which shouldn't happen except when the government has a compelling reason - such as an taking an official governmental ID photo. Requiring someone to remove religious dress (which is not an imposition on others) simply because they enter a government building is not a compelling reason for the state to interfere with free exercise.

Beyond that, there are actually many Christians who would not have a problem with that.

Not when they simply enter a government building, but if they work in a governm,ent building, the state must come off as unbiased so his servants should not display their religion in their worktime afterwards they can be whatever they want to be.

 

[Daisy]

I'm not sure. I was never a Catholic, but we'll just say "yes".



You will be instructed on that when the time is appropriate.

jag

Yes sir.

 

[Emrys]

You have such a narrow view of Christainity. None but the smallest minority of extremist groups would say that it's okay to murder homosexuals because Leviticus says so. Furthermore, there is debate among various Christain groups even, whether homosexuality is forbidden.

even the condemnation of homosexuality is imho a very evil act.

as for christians, there we have another issue who is a true christian. I might not agree with them but to me a true christian is one who follows the bible to a "T" all others are lukewarm or CINO's imho.

 

[Daisy]

Not when they simply enter a government building, but if they work in a governm,ent building, the state must come off as unbiased so his servants should not display their religion in their worktime afterwards they can be whatever they want to be.

Why should one have to give up the freedoms they're guarenteed as a citizen simply because they are... say a secretary in the Facilities Management office of the Musuem of Natural History? Or a landscaper for the Architect of the Capitol?

 

[Holly Goodhead]

I had to bend over and grab my ankles whenever I said Hail Marys.

 

[Abaddon]

Liberty didn't need this kind of makeover.

 

[twylight]

If they don't impose them on me there is no problem. No need for a common ground then. If they do however I'll not concede to bible morality that is absolutely out of question to me.

what I saw for example was Leviticus which to me is nothing more than a call for the murder of for example homosexuals and since some of my best friends are gay i consider that evil, especially since I know what motivates my friends, I can see true love when it's in front of me and if god according to the bible is unable to see and understand something even I as a mere mortal can clearly see I can only come to two conclusions, either that god is an idiot or that he's pure evil and denies people true love.

You obviously skipped that part about stoning disobedient children.

even the condemnation of homosexuality is imho a very evil act.

as for christians, there we have another issue who is a true christian. I might not agree with them but to me a true christian is one who follows the bible to a "T" all others are lukewarm or CINO's imho.

So, you hate christians.

But a person isn't a christian unless they follow the bible to a 'T' and even then you still hate them?

 

[twylight]

Liberty didn't need this kind of makeover.

But she was so 19th century.

 

[jaguarr]

Yes sir.

You're going to do well.

I had to bend over and grab my ankles whenever I said Hail Marys.

Was your Catholic school run by Jesuits or Benedictines, cuz...umm....I think they do it differently.

jag

 

[Abaddon]

But she was so 19th century.

If anything.they should've ****ed her up some. Liberty should be turning tricks for the tired, the poor, the huddled masses,etc.

 

[maxwell's demon]

honestly, with a thread title like Perversion Of Liberty, i'd been hoping for at LEAST some leg showin'. maybe a bra strap.

(or some colossus of rhodes/lady liberty reverse cowgirl poses)

 

[Emrys]

Why should one have to give up the freedoms they're guarenteed as a citizen simply because they are... say a secretary in the Facilities Management office of the Musuem of Natural History? Or a landscaper for the Architect of the Capitol?

because the moment they work for the government they represent said governement and send a signal to others.

 

[jaguarr]

honestly, with a thread title like Perversion Of Liberty, i'd been hoping for at LEAST some leg showin'. maybe a bra strap.

Or like a Janet Jackson style nipple slip that would finally answer the age old question of whether Lady Liberty wears a nipple shield on her piercing or not.

jag

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

because the moment they work for the government they represent said governement and send a signal to others.

Yeah, citizens are free to smoke. If you smoke at my work, your fired. That's even off the job, punched out, at home.
There's also a line in the new employee manual about how you have to conduct yourself in a decent manner at all times so none of your actions would reflect poorly on the company.
At work or in your private life.

 

[Daisy]

even the condemnation of homosexuality is imho a very evil act.

as for christians, there we have another issue who is a true christian. I might not agree with them but to me a true christian is one who follows the bible to a "T" all others are lukewarm or CINO's imho.

Sorry, I have news for you. You aren't the arbiter of who is or is not a Christian. That's one of the biggest problem with the extremists you oppose. They think they are arbiters of who is a 'true' Christain too. Coincidentally enough, for the most part, your definition coincides with theirs.

As I pointed out earlier, the bible is a document that is 'interpreted' and applied to the world we live in today. It's a product of it's time, place, culture (technically, many times, places, cultures).

 

[Emrys]

You obviously skipped that part about stoning disobedient children.



So, you hate christians.

But a person isn't a christian unless they follow the bible to a 'T' and even then you still hate them?

I think we gotta clear up a little misunderstanding, yes I hate christians, but to me christians are the ones who follow the bible to a "T" the others are not true christians to me, those I don't really hate that much. I pity them and I'm angry at them cause they are the enablers of christians. The christians come riding in on the coattails of the lukewarms.

 

[Joker]

It didn't receive public money. It was fully funded by the church that built it... on their own property.

It's not 'acknowledged' by the government in any way.

so, they have to pay taxes then? cause if they dont, that means they're acknowledged by the government as a religion...

 

[Daisy]

because the moment they work for the government they represent said governement and send a signal to others.

The Govement is established with the foundation of personal liberty and allows for the free exercise of religion, yet prevents it's own employees from doing so? Quite a signal.

 

[Emrys]

Yeah, citizens are free to smoke. If you smoke at my work, your fired. That's even off the job, punched out, at home.
There's also a line in the new employee manual about how you have to conduct yourself in a decent manner at all times so none of your actions would reflect poorly on the company.
At work or in your private life.

and that's far to extreme, in work space yes I can accept that but as soon as your shift ends and you're out the building you should be free to do what you want.

 

[Emrys]

The Govement is established with the foundation of personal liberty and allows for the free exercise of religion, yet prevents it's own employees from doing so? Quite a signal.

only during office hours

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Sorry, I have news for you. You aren't the arbiter of who is or is not a Christian. That's one of the biggest problem with the extremists you oppose. They think they are arbiters of who is a 'true' Christain too. Coincidentally enough, for the most part, your definition coincides with theirs.

As I pointed out earlier, the bible is a document that is 'interpreted' and applied to the world we live in today. It's a product of it's time, place, culture (technically, many times, places, cultures).

So in Revelations when it says anyone who takes away or adds anything to this book is cursed and damned...there are...many interpretations of that statement.

Sorry, but it's sounds very clear to me, even if people want to attempt to squirm out of it's clarity.

 

[Daisy]

Yeah, citizens are free to smoke. If you smoke at my work, your fired. That's even off the job, punched out, at home.
There's also a line in the new employee manual about how you have to conduct yourself in a decent manner at all times so none of your actions would reflect poorly on the company.
At work or in your private life.

Well, smoking does impose on others.

I don't agree that they should be able to prevent you from smoking at home though. That's absolutely wrong.

And unless you are acting as a representative of that company (at a conference for example) what you do in your private life is none of their business.

 

[Emrys]

Sorry, I have news for you. You aren't the arbiter of who is or is not a Christian. That's one of the biggest problem with the extremists you oppose. They think they are arbiters of who is a 'true' Christain too. Coincidentally enough, for the most part, your definition coincides with theirs.

As I pointed out earlier, the bible is a document that is 'interpreted' and applied to the world we live in today. It's a product of it's time, place, culture (technically, many times, places, cultures).

oh if just more would follow your train of though but all I see when turning my eyes to the middle east or the US are theOsamas, Buchannans and Robertsons. Why the devil isn't the extreme put into their place by the majority can you answer me that?

if the extreme is the minorty how can something like the marriage amendment ban be existing?

 

[Emrys]

So in Revelations when it says anyone who takes away or adds anything to this book is cursed and damned...there are...many interpretations of that statement.

Sorry, but it's sounds very clear to me, even if people want to attempt to squirm out of it's clarity.

weeeeell technically one could say that the statement only applies to the book of relevations ^^ considering that the bible did not yet exist in its current form during the period the book of relevation was written.

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

I don't agree that they should be able to prevent you from smoking at home though. That's absolutely wrong.

And unless you are acting as a representative of that company (at a conference for example) what you do in your private life is none of their business.

I know. Pretty frightening. You should've seen my purple face and fiery eyes as I tried to remain calm at the meeting while attempting to explain to them what a crOCK of F***ing BULL s*** that....is.